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Wormwood straight up?
    #5928932 - 08/03/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Do you have to distill wormwood in alcohol to use it? A friend got an oz of wormwood and wanted to know if he could just take it straight, or if he had to distill it. He's got an iron stomach, so I don't think the bitter taste is a problem for him.

What would be a good starting dose for powered wormwood?


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: razorbladeshoes]
    #5928943 - 08/03/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i didn't distill it once. poeple told it was poisonous. undistilled its about the most horrible naturally occuring thing ever. ayahuasca has nothing on wormwood in 151...


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5928958 - 08/03/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wormwood is poisonous. Eating it straight would be a bad idea. When its extracted the thujone is leeched out, as well as some of the flavoring. I do not believe the poison is, however. But its illegal to cultivate because of the sheer fact that it's poisonous.


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: wiggles]
    #5929067 - 08/03/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Wormwood is poisonous. Eating it straight would be a bad idea. When its extracted the thujone is leeched out, as well as some of the flavoring. I do not believe the poison is, however.




The thujone is the poison.


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5929078 - 08/03/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

From Wiki.

European Union

Maximum thujone levels in the EU are:

* 0.5 mg/kg in food not prepared with sage and non alcoholic beverages.
* 5 mg/kg in alcoholic beverages with 25% or less ABV.
* 10 mg/kg in alcoholic beverages with more than 25% ABV.
* 25 mg/kg in food prepared with sage.
* 35 mg/kg in alcohol labeled as bitters.


United States

Foods or beverages that contain Artemisia species, White Cedar, oak moss, tansy or Yarrow must be thujone free. Other herbs that contain thujone have no restrictions. For example, sage and sage oil (which can be 50%+ thujone) are on the Food and Drug Administration's list of Substances generally recognized as safe.

Mugwort contains thujone as well.Most sages do to.

Most things that contain thujone are good for dreaming.But thats about it.


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: razorbladeshoes]
    #5929237 - 08/03/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Just figure the dose based on 1oz in 750ml of liquid, assuming you are going to drink a few ounces. I bet is is about an 1/8 ounce of wormwood in a dose. BTW, what did he pay for his ounce?

Don't worry about the "poison" reputation. Alcohol is also a poison and you don't see everyone who has a drink (or 10) falling over dead. Just don't eat an ounce every weekend.


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: Terillius]
    #5929399 - 08/03/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

no i think there are other things in the wormwood that are midly poisonous if you don't distill it


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: Terillius]
    #5929419 - 08/03/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Thujon is not a poison nor is this myth the reason it was made illegal in the early 1900’s. Absinthe which contains thujone was made illegal in the early 1900’s because the Wine industry in France wanted to put Absinthe companies out of business as it became the most popular drink in Europe during the late 1800’s. As wine sales dropped tremendously the wine industry began spreading rumors that Absinthe was dangerous and any time they could pin an accident or death on the green fairy they would. The myths and propaganda by both those who controlled the means of wine production and those with political power came to a climax when a man I think in Switzerland (if memory serves me correctly) drank a ton of it and then proceeded to kill his entire family and then killed himself. However, the headlines at the time did not mention that fact that the guy was a drunk and beat his family all the time as a Swiss past time. From that moment on Absinthe was made illegal all over Europe except in a few countries like Spain and Czech Republic. Within a very short time the same Hallucinogenic myths and tales of “Absinthe driving men insane” spread to the U.S. and very quickly Absinthe was banned in the U.S. as well.

Now in the early 90’s Absinthe has made a come back in Europe and I have partaken of several kinds of Absinthe while there. In Czech Republic they do not have any laws governing the amount of thujon that they use as do the other EU countries. At this moment I have a bottle in the fridge that is one of the higher potency brands and I must say I drank a rather large amount of it and I did not experience any of the mythological effects that you always here in the headlines about Absinthe but I sure did get drunk as hell.

If you want to do it you can order bottles straight from Czech or France online but the stuff is way over priced. Plus then you open yourself up to a whole other set of arguments like should you get one that was properly distilled or made from oils etc. etc. and in the end you will only have a glass of green liquid that taste like twizzlers that does the same thing to you that vodka does except with one exception when drinking Absinthe I usually do not experience a hangover and I think that is attributed to the fact that you mix it with water to drink it.

Good luck at trying to get high off of it but I have yet to find a successful story. I think you would have better luck with something else but this is just my opinion.
I tend to think that those who drink it and claim it is hallucinogenic are just suffering from “thought creates reality” and if belief in the wine industry propaganda is enough to spark an episode of euphoria then more power to you. I just think your attempt will be in vain but I do not wish to be negative so good luck with that and who knows maybe you will yield a fruitful experience.

For those of you out there that claim to have found the wormwood experience to be different then my analysis I can only plead ignorance on my part because I have yet to experience different. However, anything is possible and I could be totally wrong on this.

So please let me know how it goes and good luck!!!


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5929455 - 08/03/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Mildly poisonous indeed. Something like drinking a little tap water chlorine everyday or breathing the air in LA everyday. Or how about inhaling some kind of smoke several times a day. The fact is that a little wormwood is like a little anything, don't overdo it and you will be fine. Listen to your body, it will tell you what to put in it and what not to. Borderline drugs like these only have a bad rep because the people who get sick and die using them are huffing gas, eating "Skittles," drinking and smoking constantly, and living the worst possible lives in general.


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: orpheus]
    #5929473 - 08/03/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think absinthe is one of those drugs that very well might depend on the "placebo" effect. It is delicate, tricky, and requires a sensitive self-awareness to fully appreciate. It's like using a drug to talk yourself into feeling and thinking a certain way. I find that the people I have shared it with who don't find anything new are the people who have to smoke 10 bowls in a row to get high anymore, the effects are just too gentle to be felt by some of the burnt-out stoners I know. I highly recommend drinking a glass and then reading "The Green Godess" by Aleister Crowley.

BTW, don't think this is aimed at you or anything, I have just had this discussion before with several people and it is an interesting subject for me. Thanks for sharing!


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: Terillius]
    #5929505 - 08/03/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Why would someone want to eat wormwood? It really would be a shitty tasting waste of time. You should know that REAL Absinthe is made from much more than just wormwood. It involves at least 4-5 different herbs usually, and all of them each add their own effects. Wormwood does very little by itself. But when combined with all the other ingredients in the alcohol, it should give you a different effect than being drunk.

Most of the herbs really only have a minor effect (including wormwood), except for calamus root, which really can have a strong effect. The thing is, most every absinthe on the market today is just alcohol with some wormwood and maybe some other herbs. Almost never will you buy an absinthe with the right ingredients in it. So you'll just end up drinking shit tasting liquor and getting drunk. Your best chance of experiencing true absinthe would be to just make and distill it yourself. If you are lazy, you could just get some calamus root online and maybe get some effects off that. Eating wormwood is the worst idea possible though.


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5929557 - 08/03/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yep, looked it up you guys were right. i was wrong about the distilling , and apperntly its open to interpretation on whether thujone is poisonous.


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: razorbladeshoes]
    #5929629 - 08/03/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Speaking of the recipe...

wormwood
anise seeds
angelica root
hyssop leaves
coriander seeds
caraway seeds
cardomon pods
750 ml. 151 rum

Macerate wormwood in rum, distill, macerate remaining herbs, strain. You can optionally distill again at the end for a more polished product. The other herbs are mostly for flavor, they are supposed to chase the wormwood flavor away and add a little character. Mmmmm, character, alchemy is delicious.


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: Terillius]
    #5930031 - 08/03/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have made many many gallons of absinthe following this recipe.

Any liquor over 65% or so will extract thujone from the wormwood with an adequate steeping. but the product is ridiculously disgusting. i have distilled it everytime, this removes the 'faints' that are poisonous (methanol) and leave you with a thujone boosted ethyl alcohol spirit.

It works. very well. i have tried 2 'real' brands of abstinthe and none even came close to mine, most of these prefab brands are bunk. if i take a shot or two of my absinthe, madness always follows. I like to keep a bottle around and bust it out at a party when the beer is low and the crown is thinning, ONE SHOT FOR EVERYONE! what is it? shut up and drink it. it still taste pretty bad, but once you learn how to distill properly, you can make it drinkable.

it clears your head, gives you a crazy itch to DO, and makes you very social and talkative. but the words arent slurring anymore, theyre articulate and on point.

i spent about $50 a few years back and got enough herbs from here to make about 5 gallons of absinthe.

then just make a still and youre in business, assuming you have a PC from your mushroom growing.... thats why youre all here right?


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5933961 - 08/05/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

There is an interesting article on the neuro-irritability caused by a large ingestion of thujone. Horses ate nothing by sage plants for a large (?) period of time and then suffered convulsions and dysequalibirium - but no other effects.
As far as I had read - large or massive doses of thujone culd cause seizure-type activity and neuro-irritabilit but nothing much else.


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5934056 - 08/05/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Absinth King Of Spirits Gold



Originally based on a Swiss recipe this Czech Absinthe has no artificial color or preservatives, and contains 100mg of the psychoactive thujone.


I have this one in my fridge right now,my wife brought it back for me a few months ago. She is from Czech.


A high thujone Absinthe, bearing up to 34mg of thujone, Trul Absinthium is atypical of Czech Absinthe in that it yields a nice, cloudy louche with the addition of cold water.


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: orpheus]
    #5936245 - 08/06/06 05:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You realise that thujone ISNT psychoactive? Its actually the fennels that provide the sublte absinthe effect if one notices anything at all.


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5952811 - 08/11/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

bluemeanie you sure? i've smoked wormwood extract and gotten high...


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5955746 - 08/12/06 05:08 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Jonathan Ott suggested it was possible but go tell the people in the ethnobotanical garden that you got high from smoking wormwood.
It contains less thujone than many common garden herbs. Any possible psychoactivity - and having smoked heavy quanities of the plant myself with no noticable effect - would not be from the thujone content.


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Re: Wormwood straight up? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5955905 - 08/12/06 09:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

hey bluemeanie, I was actually just quoting the advertisement which actually claims it is psychoactive. I actually do not believe it is psychoactive either; having drank many different kinds of absinthe and never experiencing anything of the kind, I view it as nothing more then a myth.


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