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 passitbobbie
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 Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens 
#5925968 - 08/02/06 04:25 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have been quite curious about mescal beans, their use, history and effects. Mescal Beans can kill with as little as 1/4 a bean. Upon thinking about this I came up with a TEK for dosing potentially dangerous material.
1. Grind/Mash the mescal bean
2. Pour 100 ml everclear over the mescal bean
3. After the material has soaked for awhile remove the seed bits.
4. 1 mL = 1/100th a mescal bean
What are your thoughts?
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Weebl8bob
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 Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: passitbobbie]
#5925974 - 08/02/06 04:28 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah.. that would work
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yageman
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: Weebl8bob]
#5926250 - 08/02/06 05:56 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cytisine is a nicotine agonist, and as a pharmaceutical preparation it is available for the treatment of nicotinism. Cytisine derivative varenicline was approved in 2006 as a smoking cessation drug.
(Cytisine has a close chemical relationship to nicotine).
Positive effects are reported to include a mild intoxication and heightened awareness of color.
hmmmm....sounds weird.
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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Edited by yageman (08/02/06 05:57 PM)
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 BiG_StroOnZ
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: yageman]
#5926372 - 08/02/06 06:37 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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so you plan on trying something that has been known to kill on even a 1/4 of a bean?
sounds illogical...I would skip this idea.
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Afroshroomerican
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#5926383 - 08/02/06 06:40 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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How about sticking to psychedelics that won't make you vomit out your insides? 
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yageman
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#5926405 - 08/02/06 06:47 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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My guess would be that the traditional doses are very unsafe.
To get some enhancement of color you probably need to do something very stupid,(eat more than is totally safe). Oxygen deprivation can be pretty trippy.....
The north american indians recorded the fact that to many people died from mescal beans. Many such tribes eventually adopted peyote because of that.
I certainly wouldnt want to fuck with it at any dose.
Anything that messes with my breathing is a no go. (Even though huge doses of lsd or mushrooms tend to mess with respiration and blood pressure).
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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: passitbobbie]
#5927367 - 08/02/06 11:24 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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not meant as a flame but honestly, what drives you ?
for some reason nearly all of your posts i've seen seem to be relating to something considered danngerous and/or stupid by the majority of other users on this board.
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: MaryanneNumber]
#5927764 - 08/03/06 03:53 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd love to hear what ideas of mine you consider stupid? Your new around here so I'll give you the benefit and I don't usually brag but fucking read my post history re: entheogens. You will see a consistent pattern of research and careful experimentation with many exotic entheogens.
This would probably be the most dangerous thing I agree, but if you drank 1 mL of the solution you would be dosing 25x less than the lowest known fatal dose... sounds safe to me, even rat poison isn't bad for you in a low enough dose.
As for what drives me, there are many things. I do not remember how I first got here. I am a chemist and a pharmacist with a strong penchant for culture, religion and history. Entheogens were like a fucking dream come true because not only does it combine my 2 loves it combines my true love which in all honesty is the pursuit of new sensations. So for me partaking in an entheogen such as Mescal Beans has many aspects. First I'll read a little about its use and history, then about its chemistry (at this point I'll ponder what can be done to the alkaloid with the proper lab materials) and pharmacology, then its simply a matter of applying that knowledge and getting "fucked up". I'm just like anyone else, looking for a good time while I still have the time.
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: passitbobbie]
#5927863 - 08/03/06 05:51 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just had a trippy nonsensical thought.
What if the users didn't die in the traditional sense but became mescal bean addicts? Slowing their BPM and therefore aging down drastically... How old can one theoretically live?
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: passitbobbie]
#5928030 - 08/03/06 08:37 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you are dead-set (ha ha ha....  ..uh..no pun intended) you should probably not redose (hey this isn't working lets take 1 more) Don't even combine it with caffine (who knows???) Realize that if ANY of your solution evaporates, you now have a significantly higher concentraion. So with that said Russian Roulete anyone? In all seriousness though I understand you sentiment in persuing this. For me at least though, I just doubt its worth it. Let us know how it goes. It certainly wouldn't be the 1st (or last time) I was wrong.
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: passitbobbie]
#5928139 - 08/03/06 09:56 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
passitbobbie said:
I'd love to hear what ideas of mine you consider stupid?
All of your trolling bananna posts...
The mescaline powder up your ass...
This now...
Pretty much everything you post is retarded.
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: Jaeger]
#5928319 - 08/03/06 11:18 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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in a galaxy far far away there used to be a mescal tree in front of my highschool. Me being fuckin bored and in art (lets be creative) decided to try this whole "mescal bean" shit. i ate a couple of the red beans and nothing happened. Maybe you ahve to grind them up?
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: passitbobbie]
#5928375 - 08/03/06 11:50 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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people are flaming you not because they want to directly insult you, but because they are looking out for you in a round-a-bout way.
my suggestion would be to ditch the idea.
i can see where you are coming from in wanting to try this, but i suggest going with something less toxic such as peyote, or san pedro cactus (legal to buy online) .
while you are probably right and you wont DIE of 1/25 of a toxic dose, why risk physical harm, when there are much less risky alternatives
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: evolprim]
#5928428 - 08/03/06 12:14 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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^^^^
Has it right, don't mess with toxins like this. Just not too smart. Just because you 'can' doesn't mean you should.
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: Jaeger]
#5928724 - 08/03/06 02:23 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I do appreciate the concern but the more I read about this very interesting entheogen the more we seemed destined to make acquaintances. This is very interesting that it helps in tobacco cessation, as I have been looking to quit for quite a while now.
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Re: Dosing Mescal Beans: A method to dose dangerous entheogens [Re: evolprim]
#5928919 - 08/03/06 03:27 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
evolprim said:
people are flaming you not because they want to directly insult you, but because they are looking out for you in a round-a-bout way.
my suggestion would be to ditch the idea.
i can see where you are coming from in wanting to try this, but i suggest going with something less toxic such as peyote, or san pedro cactus (legal to buy online) .
while you are probably right and you wont DIE of 1/25 of a toxic dose, why risk physical harm, when there are much less risky alternatives
You speak of passitbobbie as an ignorant child.
Let the man do as he pleases!
How would we have shrooms and acid today if someone didn't decide to do something slightly illogical, maybe even stupid, to get them?
You people just don't understand that, for some of us here at the shroomery, this shit is our life's passion.
That wasn't directed toward you personally, evolprim (as you clearly have good intent), but rather toward the Psychedelic Experience forum as a whole.
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