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Yefet2000
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Re: WBS without a pressure cooker? [Re: FungusMan]
#5927977 - 08/03/06 07:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just buy a pc... Think of it this way, insted of waiting two days, boiling over and over - with a pc you can do it in 4 hours a batch. just rinse,simmer,drain,pc - and Stagadam ! you've done it.
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FungusMan
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Re: WBS without a pressure cooker? [Re: Yefet2000]
#5927983 - 08/03/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Got one. Waste of money for wbs in my opinion.
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76degrees
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Re: WBS without a pressure cooker? [Re: FungusMan]
#5928052 - 08/03/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yefet2000, just read all the posts in the thread before you before you state the obvious and make yourself look like a fool. Oops too late. Lol.
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Edited by 76degrees (08/03/06 09:07 AM)
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76degrees
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Re: WBS without a pressure cooker? [Re: 76degrees]
#5933894 - 08/05/06 08:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was wondering if you can use Tyvek instead of polyfill. Because I don't have any polyfill and I'm not sure where to get it.
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FooMan



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Re: WBS without a pressure cooker? [Re: FungusMan]
#5933936 - 08/05/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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FungusMan said: Im gonna get shot down on this one (as usual), but I havent used my pc in months. In fact, Ive got my non-pc wbs tek down to a one hour boil after a 48 hour soak. I add about 10% verm to it also. No contams as yet, and have done over 20 jars like this, so I wouldnt call it luck. I have GREAT respect for Pris, but some people get stuck in theyre ways.
I remember you mentioning that you did fractional sterilization awhile back with success. Looks like you perfected your own method, huh? Another example of how popular opinion DOES NOT = rule of thumb.
You should type up a neat looking tek with a bunch of pics for all the naysayers. You can include some more of those boob/shroom pics too! If you can prove this works and get a few people to try it, maybe people will quit telling me I have to soak WBS for 48 hours to kill the endospores WITH a PC. Damn that Agar!
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hawksapprentice
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Re: WBS without a pressure cooker? [Re: 76degrees]
#5933938 - 08/05/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tyvek would work just fine as a replacement for polyfill.
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76degrees
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Thx hawkspparentice. And I was wondering, I heard that if the grain touches the tyvek/filter contamns can take hold. So, what's the best way to attach the filter? Should I put it on over or under the lid? I would suppose over. But i've heard of several different ways to do it. SOme people use coffee filters too. What dp you think is the best method?
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FooMan



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Re: WBS without a pressure cooker? [Re: 76degrees]
#5933992 - 08/05/06 09:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Coffee filters are used in place of foil to cover the top of the jars during PC'ing, NOT as an actual filter. You can put the Tyvek under, over or both. The main thing is that it stays in place so that it can filter.
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Rahz
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>>>>This "crushed corn cob" you speak of...is it the same as the corn cob slurry? And if so, how in hell do you keep it from contaminating?
It's the same cob, but I don't use the slurry tek. 24hr soak activates endospores, 1 hour boil (submerged in water) kills them, 1/2 hour boil in the jar kills anything that entered during the transfer. The difference between cob and seed is that the cob is porus, and the soak/boil easily gets to the center of the kernels.
2nd generation spawn: soak the cob 24 hours, boil for 1-1.5 hours, strain, cool, mix in spawn. I use a 1:3 or 1:4 spawn ratio which turns a quart of spawn into a gallon... 5 quarts into 5 gallons... etc. Takes about a week to colonize, never had a contam with this process. When I first discovered this technique I ended up with so much spawn that it was just sitting around in mycobags. I wrote a tek somewhere, but it's pretty simple really.
Rahz
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FungusMan
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Re: WBS without a pressure cooker? [Re: FooMan]
#5936239 - 08/06/06 05:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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FooManShroom said:
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FungusMan said: Im gonna get shot down on this one (as usual), but I havent used my pc in months. In fact, Ive got my non-pc wbs tek down to a one hour boil after a 48 hour soak. I add about 10% verm to it also. No contams as yet, and have done over 20 jars like this, so I wouldnt call it luck. I have GREAT respect for Pris, but some people get stuck in theyre ways.
I remember you mentioning that you did fractional sterilization awhile back with success. Looks like you perfected your own method, huh? Another example of how popular opinion DOES NOT = rule of thumb.
You should type up a neat looking tek with a bunch of pics for all the naysayers. You can include some more of those boob/shroom pics too! If you can prove this works and get a few people to try it, maybe people will quit telling me I have to soak WBS for 48 hours to kill the endospores WITH a PC. Damn that Agar!
Sounds like a plan to me Just remember though, my cam sux,lol. But next time I do a batch, Ill try to remember to take pics for it, as simple as it is.
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76degrees
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Re: WBS without a pressure cooker? [Re: FungusMan]
#5936840 - 08/06/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just knocked up 4 WBS's in old spaghetti jars using fractional sterilzation method. I'll let you all know how it turns out. *crosses fingers*
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Prisoner#1
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Re: WBS without a pressure cooker? [Re: FooMan]
#5936853 - 08/06/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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FooManShroom said: Coffee filters are used in place of foil to cover the top of the jars during PC'ing
I've always viewed them as more of a dust cover than anything else, they're paper and PCing them without a foil cover will just get them wet
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FooMan



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Re: WBS without a pressure cooker? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5945466 - 08/08/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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FooManShroom said: Coffee filters are used in place of foil to cover the top of the jars during PC'ing
I've always viewed them as more of a dust cover than anything else, they're paper and PCing them without a foil cover will just get them wet
They do get wet, but the moisture on them quickly evaporates after being removed from the PC whereas a foil lid causes water to condense below it. Once removed from the PC, both foil and coffee filters act as dust covers. The difference is that coffee filter allows the jars to breathe along with keeping the dust off the actual filter. Kind of like a pre filter on a laminar flow hood.
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