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Re: LC vs. Plain ole PF Tek [Re: fastfred]
    #5921652 - 08/01/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

organic = expensive

its a tax on uneducated vegetarian hippies and the like :thumbup:


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Re: LC vs. Plain ole PF Tek [Re: creamcorn]
    #5921698 - 08/01/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I've found organic honey at 3 different large supermarket chains.


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Re: LC vs. Plain ole PF Tek [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5922320 - 08/01/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just used honey from one of the little "honey bears" you get at Wal-Mart. I've looked all over the container and all I can find that it said was in there was "honey". Wal-Mart's definately got a nose for details *yea right*. Anyways, the tek said I wanted the water to be pale yellow, but it took about 3/4tbs to get it like that rather than the "less than a teaspoon" the tek suggested. Also, I've noticed all over the place where people suggest a tablespoon or more in the solution, so could I really have used too much honey? The water's kind of cloudy and there's this one lone ball-shaped clump floating around that's dark in the middle. It's been the same for days (the clump, that is). The clump isn't attached to anything and justs sits in the bottom of the jar until I stir it around. The solution seems to be getting more cloudy, but shouldn't it be more than just slightly cloudy after 7 days sitting in my closet?


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Re: LC vs. Plain ole PF Tek [Re: S1lverdj]
    #5922403 - 08/01/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

cloudy, depending on your interpretation and what you describe, is usually a bacterial infection. cheap honey often has bits of wax and protiens and other sediment, so if it was cloudy from the start, this might be what you're seeing. if it gets increasying cloudier (as in the solution becomes less transparent), without puffy white growth, its bacteria.

next time, use a scale to measure out the honey you're adding. an LC should be 2-4% sugars by weight. 4 grams of honey for every 100ml of water is an easy rule of thumb. that is the optimal recipe. no guesswork with spoons or judging by colors or any such nonsense. correct recipe = good growth. incorrect recipe = poor or no growth.


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Re: LC vs. Plain ole PF Tek [Re: creamcorn]
    #5924054 - 08/02/06 12:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I made four LCs, and only one has really taken off. Been about a week, but the one that has taken off has 2 or 3 black specks, size of ground pepper. It should just be a clump of spores right?


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Re: LC vs. Plain ole PF Tek [Re: Slainhobo]
    #5924784 - 08/02/06 09:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

most likely.  especially if you used a lot of spore solution, or dark spore solution.  keep an eye that the specs don't grow or multiply and you're good :thumbup:


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Re: LC vs. Plain ole PF Tek [Re: creamcorn]
    #5925015 - 08/02/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The little clump that's been looking the same for days has doubled in size overnight. Are we talking contam or myc? I'm really hoping it's myc. There's a dark spot in the middle of it that I'm also hoping is a clump of spores?


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Re: LC vs. Plain ole PF Tek [Re: S1lverdj]
    #5925135 - 08/02/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like myc.

If by cloudy you meant after you boiled or PCed your honeywater solution, their were 'chunks' of crap in there..you boiled or PCed your solution too long and the sugars in the solution carmelized.

15-20 min @ 15psi works great for half pint LCs.
for boiling(I dunno so) check the teks.


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Re: LC vs. Plain ole PF Tek [Re: cappa]
    #5925232 - 08/02/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I intend on getting a PC as soon as I can. It would make everything so much simply. Unfortunately, it's just not in the budget right now.
I'm beginning to think the clouding actually came from using cheap honey, as I've been thinking about that since someone suggested it earlier. I'm also thinking the myc is growing so slow because I used too much honey and the natural antifungal properties of honey gave me a royal "f$%k you, man". Could also be that my house is fairly cool and I haven't exactly setup anything to really "incubate" the solution. It sits on my desk. What would be a good setup for an incubator? I'm moving in a week or two, so I don't want to setup anything major until I'm settled in my new place.
Also, I'm going to try a KARO solution and see if I a little more success.


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Re: LC vs. Plain ole PF Tek [Re: S1lverdj]
    #5925351 - 08/02/06 12:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Set it on top of your monitor.


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Re: LC vs. Plain ole PF Tek [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5925548 - 08/02/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Wow...that never crossed my mind. Thanks, I'll try that.


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Re: LC vs. Plain ole PF Tek [Re: S1lverdj]
    #5925718 - 08/02/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Honey already has natural fungicide/pesticides. The Egyptians used it to dress burns and bad gashes because of this.

You can transport bee hives to orchards so that the bee's make their honey from only one kind of flower. This will change the taste of the honey dramatically. In fact its becoming a new craze to buy "gourmet" honey. Clover honey is a generic term for who knows where they got the pollen lol. If your interested in this, I recommend a type that may be called "butter honey" it tastes just like you mixed the two and is great on toast in the morning.

You see "organic" on honey bottles because technically all honey is, and if they put that on there, some uneducated consumer will pick their bottle of honey over the competition.

That said there IS a more "natural" form of honey. Honey sold at the store has been pasteurized, you can contact a bee farm directly (there is one within a 30 minute drive of you most likely) to get some that hasn't been. Most people want the pasteurized honey because its also filtered better then "raw" honey which will contain little chunks of wax, pollen, sometimes jelly and almost always bee parts (legs, wings that sort of thing). People find eating an insect disgusting so they filter it better to be sold to the "public".
I haven't been able to find out why mushroom spores will germinate and thrive in honey in spite of honey's natural defenses. Maybe its the pasteurizing process I don't know. The reason the honey has this fungicide is that its meant to be stored for the bee's winter food source so it needs a natural preservative.

Now to get back on topic (hehe) One reason has already been stated, it makes Little bit of spores go a LONG way. Another reason is it lessens the time that contams can take hold in a PF jar. This is especially usefull if you don't have a PC.

And now its time for my honeybee/mushroom loving arse to move on to another post LOL


Edited by CoolMojo (08/02/06 02:55 PM)


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