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how bout this?
    #5925694 - 08/02/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

was browsing ebay for some grow shit, heres what I found.

http://cgi.ebay.com/25-Organic-Fertilize...0QQcmdZViewItem

anyone used it? would it work?


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Re: how bout this? [Re: Leanin]
    #5925756 - 08/02/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I see no reason why field aged, dried and shredded horse poo wouldn't work.


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Re: how bout this? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5925910 - 08/02/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wow. I just bought some of that last week, should be here tomorrow. I'll let ya know how well it works out. The guy seems like an ok guy...he emailed me and said there would be a delay in shipping because of T-storms and high humidity in his area last week, said his poo wasn't drying out the way he liked it, and as compensation for the delay he refunded my $$ back to my Paypal acct. minus shipping.

And before any of you ask, no, I don't work for the guy, no, he's not suckin' my cock, nor I his. I just think $26.55 delivered (in 3 days) for 25 lbs of hpoo is a damn good deal!!! Beats the hell out of 5 lbs less for $60.75 delivered in a couple weeks, or $82.67 to get it in 3 days. I know my math skills aren't what they once were, but it seems like a much better deal than the route I was going before.

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Re: how bout this? [Re: ComfortablyStond]
    #5925943 - 08/02/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have never once been turned down when I knock on a door to a house with horses out back, shovel and bag in hand, and ask for manure for my garden. They always treat me like a hero for getting rid of it for them. Last week, the guy even came out while I was shoveling and handed me a cold beer. Get the dried, field aged nuggets that easily break apart in your hands. It takes about five minutes to fill a bag that will make dozens of trays, and it's free. Well, I say free. $3+ a gallon for the gas to get there sucks. Better fill two bags to make the trip pay off.
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Re: how bout this? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5925976 - 08/02/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Holy crap thats an awesome deal. I'm lucky enough to know 2 girls who work at a horse farm who're more than happy to let me get as much manure as I want. Still though, 9 dollars for 25 lbs of manure that I don't have to collect, drive back and forth to, or leech? That's a deal for the convenience.


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Re: how bout this? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5926016 - 08/02/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I have never once been turned down when I knock on a door to a house with horses out back, shovel and bag in hand, and ask for manure for my garden. They always treat me like a hero for getting rid of it for them.




for farms it's a waste product that they'd normaly have to pay to dispose of, just
like any other manure, I see ads frequently in the state Agriculture paper asking
people to come get it, checking some of the farm forums can yeild people in any
area that want it gone


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Re: how bout this? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5926040 - 08/02/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

> I just think $26.55 delivered (in 3 days) for 25 lbs of hpoo is a damn good deal!!!

Considering you can get rye locally for less than that I don't think it's a very good deal.

And the best thing about rye is that you're not working with SHIT. And you don't have to eat something grown in SHIT. And there's no chance of eating SHIT with your medicinal mushrooms.


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Re: how bout this? [Re: ComfortablyStond]
    #5926043 - 08/02/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow. I just bought some of that last week, should be here tomorrow. I'll let ya know how well it works out. The guy seems like an ok guy...he emailed me and said there would be a delay in shipping because of T-storms and high humidity in his area last week, said his poo wasn't drying out the way he liked it, and as compensation for the delay he refunded my $$ back to my Paypal acct. minus shipping.

And before any of you ask, no, I don't work for the guy, no, he's not suckin' my cock, nor I his. I just think $26.55 delivered (in 3 days) for 25 lbs of hpoo is a damn good deal!!! Beats the hell out of 5 lbs less for $60.75 delivered in a couple weeks, or $82.67 to get it in 3 days. I know my math skills aren't what they once were, but it seems like a much better deal than the route I was going before.

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Re: how bout this? [Re: fastfred]
    #5926056 - 08/02/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You do realize that every peice of fruit, vegetable, etc that you eat has been grown in corpses and shit, right? You realize every time you step on grass, you're stepping on corpses and shit, right? It all breaks down into soil eventually. Just because it came out of a horse's bum doesn't change that fact. If you look at dried horse manure you couldn't even tell what it was if its leeched properly. It looks like fluffy straw and fibers.

If you have a hard time getting passed the fact that fertilizer is necessary, then i don't think any form of cultivation would be for you.


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Re: how bout this? [Re: wiggles]
    #5926073 - 08/02/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Having shit spread on a field and tilled in, which then decomposes over the entire growing season before the fruit, vegetable, or etc. is produced well above the soil is not the same as eating something that directly grew out of shit and reached a max height of just a few inches over pure shit.

But hey if you like to eat bits of shit and food products that have been in direct contact with shit then more power to you.

I would think that most people would rather grow on a healthy substrate that produces better and even apparently costs less.

Have fun easting shit and food products that have been in direct contact with shit though if that's your thing.


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Re: how bout this? [Re: fastfred]
    #5926113 - 08/02/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So you'd prefer your shit to be aged like a fine wine or cheese before you chance eating it? lol

You've never before eaten commercially grown mushrooms before either I hope. I used to live near a bunch of mushrooms farms. They used rotten straw, horse manure, calcium, lime, and uric acid for their substrate. The stuff smelled godawful for miles around. But it never once has stopped me from buying a carton of button mushrooms, or from eating mushroom soup.

Either way, more power to you if you dislike it. More, more potent mush for us :-P


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Re: how bout this? [Re: fastfred]
    #5926261 - 08/02/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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> I just think $26.55 delivered (in 3 days) for 25 lbs of hpoo is a damn good deal!!!

Considering you can get rye locally for less than that I don't think it's a very good deal.

And the best thing about rye is that you're not working with SHIT. And you don't have to eat something grown in SHIT. And there's no chance of eating SHIT with your medicinal mushrooms.


-FF




Manure substrates in no way compare to rye which is a spawn material.

People need to realize this guy is a troll who knows absolutely nothing about growing mushrooms, which he makes painfully obvious with his silly daily rants against proper techniques, and those of us who would help the communtity with our knowledge. Don't let his bad attitude and ignorance get in the way of your wish to learn mycology. Every mycologist from Paul Stamets to Alexander Smith know the benefits of manure as a bulk substrate, and virtually every agaricus farm in the world uses horse manure as the primary ingredient.
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Re: how bout this? [Re: wiggles]
    #5926285 - 08/02/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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If you have a hard time getting passed the fact that fertilizer is necessary




for mushrooms, no, for plants not really, compost, yes and thats what the degrading poo becomes


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Re: how bout this? [Re: fastfred]
    #5926300 - 08/02/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Having shit spread on a field and tilled in, which then decomposes over the entire growing season before the fruit, vegetable, or etc. is produced well above the soil is not the same as eating something that directly grew out of shit and reached a max height of just a few inches over pure shit.

But hey if you like to eat bits of shit and food products that have been in direct contact with shit then more power to you.

I would think that most people would rather grow on a healthy substrate that produces better and even apparently costs less.

Have fun easting shit and food products that have been in direct contact with shit though if that's your thing.







enough of this shit... compost is compost, composted horse shit is again,
compost, the fruits of trees and fungus both make use of the nutes, I used my
garden compost for growing mushrooms on many occasions and it's all done above ground

stop being so condecending to the other members of this board, please


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Re: how bout this? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5926304 - 08/02/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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If you have a hard time getting passed the fact that fertilizer is necessary




for mushrooms, no, for plants not really, compost, yes and thats what the degrading poo becomes




It isn't abesolutely necessary, but I've yet to see a mushroom farm that doesn't use horse manure, or any large farm that doesn't use manure regularly throughout multiple stages of both fungal and plant life. They may not be necessary, but without them I think there'd be a whole lot less to eat. Just sayin


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Re: how bout this? [Re: wiggles]
    #5926310 - 08/02/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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They used rotten straw, horse manure, calcium, lime, and uric acid for their substrate. P




I've used my garden compost before, it consisted of 50% horse manure and the other
50% was a mixture of grain silage, vegetables, grass (hay) and leaves, things grew
beautifuly when it was composted well, it also had the texture of good soil


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Re: how bout this? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5926318 - 08/02/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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> I just think $26.55 delivered (in 3 days) for 25 lbs of hpoo is a damn good deal!!!

Considering you can get rye locally for less than that I don't think it's a very good deal.

And the best thing about rye is that you're not working with SHIT. And you don't have to eat something grown in SHIT. And there's no chance of eating SHIT with your medicinal mushrooms.


-FF




Manure substrates in no way compare to rye which is a spawn material.

People need to realize this guy is a troll who knows absolutely nothing about growing mushrooms, which he makes painfully obvious with his silly daily rants against proper techniques, and those of us who would help the communtity with our knowledge. Don't let his bad attitude and ignorance get in the way of your wish to learn mycology. Every mycologist from Paul Stamets to Alexander Smith know the benefits of manure as a bulk substrate, and virtually every agaricus farm in the world uses horse manure as the primary ingredient.
RR






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Re: how bout this? [Re: wiggles]
    #5926327 - 08/02/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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They may not be necessary, but without them I think there'd be a whole lot less to eat. Just sayin




the horse poo is much more efficient as a bulk substrate than most others, thats
why it's used in commercial applications, I've done well with grains alone but 10x
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Re: how bout this? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5926328 - 08/02/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I believe you. I'm just stating what they used to use at the mushroom farm by my old home in Reading PA, and from what I saw on Dirty Jobs, similar recipies are used elsewhere. We took a school field trip but half the kids couldn't make it in because of the smell. Uric acid reeks like nothing I think I've ever experienced, and because of the composition the piles of substrate are constantly warm inside... i can't imagine how it must be now during the summer.


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Re: how bout this? [Re: wiggles]
    #5926344 - 08/02/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

damn where is this thread going lol

btw...im gettin some boomerz tonight hahaahah


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    #5926350 - 08/02/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I believe you.




I didnt think you didnt, I was just sharing a little extra information, urea really does stink, mucking out the stables is my least favorite thing to do here


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Re: how bout this? [Re: Leanin]
    #5926362 - 08/02/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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damn where is this thread going lol





hell at this rate, wasnt the original topic a brag about a pressure cooker :smirk:


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Re: how bout this? [Re: wiggles]
    #5926546 - 08/02/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Holy hell!

I don't use shit for religious, aesthetic, and sanitary reasons.

Just because someone prefers not to use filthy shit for growing is no reason to rip on them.

I understand that if some people don't mind working so closely with animal excrement there are reasons to use it. The main reason for using it would be that it's cheap or free and works decently. If you're not getting it cheap or your setup is not large enough to worry about cost then there are plenty of alternatives that don't involve fecal material.

Being told I don't know anything about mycology from someone who doesn't even know the first thing about the lifecycle of shiitake is ridiculous.

RR is just sore because he likes to go around parading as a know-it-all and I'm one of the few people who have repeatedly proven him wrong. Grow up and get over yourself RR. Your insulting and name calling reflects very poorly on you.

Anyone else who wants to insult me for preferring all other substrates to shit can just take their religious bigotry and shove it!


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Re: how bout this? [Re: fastfred]
    #5926768 - 08/02/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:rolleyes:

one minute you praise him and kiss his ass, the next .. oh nevermind


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Re: how bout this? [Re: Cubenisseur]
    #5927106 - 08/02/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

religious bigotry? How the hell do you get that? You are the only person that ever tries quoting scriptures in regards to peoples choice of substrate..


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Re: how bout this? [Re: Yamidude]
    #5927369 - 08/02/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus gets down with the brown! i have an organic garden and we use hpoo as our soul additive to the soil, it works amazingly. between that and mycology, the fruits of that animals anus are valueble and respected by myself. the poo brings life to my work and in turn nurishes my body and mind.

FF, maybe you should just switch religions... the mormons are always hiring!


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Re: how bout this? [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5927555 - 08/03/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

anyone know how to get ahold of that guy on ebay to get his number? i live right close to northern mich and would love to just drive there and save on the shipping, but i couldn't find a contact #.


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    #5927560 - 08/03/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

uhhh email him.. this is the internet you know..


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Re: how bout this? [Re: Yamidude]
    #5927584 - 08/03/06 12:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Man, this post got way outta control. Seems to happen more and more lately tho. Anyway, just curious, and since you brought it up, what faith is it exactly that prohibits the use of manure, Mr. Fred? All those scriptures I've seen on here sound like they might have come out of Exodus. Like I said, I'm curious...and you brought it up. Not dissin' on your faith or anything.

As far as not wanting to touch shit, work with shit, etc...I have 4 kids, 3 of them under the age of 3...I'm up to my elbows in shit all day every day man...lol.

How to get ahold of the guy on eBay...open an eBay acct., email they guy, ask him if he'll allow local pick-up, and then click Buy It Now. It's pretty basic.

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Re: how bout this? [Re: ComfortablyStond]
    #5927605 - 08/03/06 01:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i vote islamic. maybe jewish.

my point being that thread do seem to lead astray more and more often here, often on account of FF, right or wrong. if there is new be a rift between new school and old school, then let it at least be to the benifit of the poster. i had and important thread of mine locked last week because RR and FF started up with the same old song.
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Re: how bout this? [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5927705 - 08/03/06 02:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

wouldnt of asked if i HAD AN EBAY ACCT.

can someone please post it?


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    #5927976 - 08/03/06 07:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Man, this post got way outta control.  Seems to happen more and more lately tho.  Anyway, just curious, and since you brought it up, what faith is it exactly that prohibits the use of manure, Mr. Fred?  All those scriptures I've seen on here sound like they might have come out of Exodus.  Like I said, I'm curious...and you brought it up.  Not dissin' on your faith or anything. 




Noticed your rating was much lower than deserved, so I thought I'd bump it back up. :smile:

RR and I are both under strict orders to stop the namecalling and fighting, with the explicit thread of a ban.  I've also been warned not to preach.  But since you asked I will quote a few scriptures for you.

I don't belong exclusively to any one faith, but rather consider myself to practice syncretism.

Syncretism is the attempt to reconcile disparate, even opposing, beliefs and to meld practices of various schools of thought. It is especially associated with the attempt to merge and analogize several originally discrete traditions, especially in the theology and mythology of religion, and thus assert an underlying unity.

Here are some scripture quotations on cleanliness...

3 Nephi 20:41 "And then shall a cry go forth: Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch not that which is unclean; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean that bear the vessels of the Lord."

1 Nephi 15:34 "...wherefore there must needs be a place of filthiness prepared for that which is filthy."

"Nothing unclean may enter the kingdom of God."

2 Nephi 25:16 "worship the Father with pure hearts and hands."

Alma 5:19 "can ye look to God with pure heart and clean hands;"

Ether 4:6 "Gentiles shell not receive interpreters until they repent of sins and become clean before the Lord."

Alma 60:23 "inward vessel to be clean first, then outward vessel."


I never had much problem with people using poo because I assumed that people were using it virtuously.  Then I saw a number of posts involving playing excessively with poop.  One post even mentioned tasting it to determine suitability.  Now I don't think I'm too far off base to say that eating animal excrement is unclean.

Diapering a child is a whole different story.  It's necessary for sanitation and the love of your child.  Using manure in agriculture is also different than playing with it.  It's a means to fertilize the soil and dispose of the manure, eventually making it into that which is clean.

I have no problem with people using poo in the right way.  It's also not a sin if you don't know any better.  You can't be faulted for doing something that you don't know is wrong.  God has promised that everyone shall be made to know the truth of his word.  That means that at some point the truth will be made clear to you and only if you then turn away from the lord and continue doing what you know is wrong will you be punished.

Also, just me telling someone what is right or wrong does not condemn them if they continue.  God has promised that if you ask him he will make the truth known unto you.  So if you ponder my words and possibly pray about the truth of them in good faith the truth will be made known to you at some point.  God may send you an answer by just making you feel the rightness of it or you might even get a sign.

For me, I'm generally a skeptic.  Nothing the lord does is going to convince me on logical grounds.  But I've prayed on the truthfulness and existence of him and of many scriptures.  I've never received anything that would rationally convince me, but at one point after praying in good faith and expecting an answer I was simply made to believe.  I have no reasoning behind it or way to convince others of the truth, I was simply made to believe with no explanation given.  That is how the lord works.  He's not going to sit you down and explain things to you, there's no reason for him to do that.  If you honestly ask for and seek the truth he can simply make you come to believe it.  Alternately if you pray to be shown the truth about something that is untrue or wrong he can simply confound you with "a stupor of thought" and make you basically forget that which is wrong.

So don't take my word for it.  Read the scriptures and pray on them in good faith expecting an answer and you'll be made to know the truth as if you'd always known it.  There's also the "burning in the breast" or being given a sign.  God isn't going to just smite (or spoil the grows of) those who don't follow what he wants, that would violate free will.  But if you pray on using, and getting too friendly with poo, and then your grow fails that may be a sign.

One last thing is that you have to be ready to follow the truth when it is shown to you.  If you pray for an answer knowing full well that you are going to smell, play with, and use that bag of poo regardless of what God makes evident to you, you will not get an answer.

Good luck in your searches.


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Re: how bout this? [Re: fastfred]
    #5928214 - 08/03/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:rolleyes:

nice to see you picked apart the mods wording and decided to put the vid from the thread that was closed into your sig..


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Re: how bout this? [Re: fastfred]
    #5928342 - 08/03/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Man, this post got way outta control.  Seems to happen more and more lately tho.  Anyway, just curious, and since you brought it up, what faith is it exactly that prohibits the use of manure, Mr. Fred?  All those scriptures I've seen on here sound like they might have come out of Exodus.  Like I said, I'm curious...and you brought it up.  Not dissin' on your faith or anything. 




Noticed your rating was much lower than deserved, so I thought I'd bump it back up. :smile:

RR and I are both under strict orders to stop the namecalling and fighting, with the explicit thread of a ban.  I've also been warned not to preach.  But since you asked I will quote a few scriptures for you.

I don't belong exclusively to any one faith, but rather consider myself to practice syncretism.

Syncretism is the attempt to reconcile disparate, even opposing, beliefs and to meld practices of various schools of thought. It is especially associated with the attempt to merge and analogize several originally discrete traditions, especially in the theology and mythology of religion, and thus assert an underlying unity.

Here are some scripture quotations on cleanliness...

3 Nephi 20:41 "And then shall a cry go forth: Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch not that which is unclean; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean that bear the vessels of the Lord."

1 Nephi 15:34 "...wherefore there must needs be a place of filthiness prepared for that which is filthy."

"Nothing unclean may enter the kingdom of God."

2 Nephi 25:16 "worship the Father with pure hearts and hands."

Alma 5:19 "can ye look to God with pure heart and clean hands;"

Ether 4:6 "Gentiles shell not receive interpreters until they repent of sins and become clean before the Lord."

Alma 60:23 "inward vessel to be clean first, then outward vessel."


I never had much problem with people using poo because I assumed that people were using it virtuously.  Then I saw a number of posts involving playing excessively with poop.  One post even mentioned tasting it to determine suitability.  Now I don't think I'm too far off base to say that eating animal excrement is unclean.

Diapering a child is a whole different story.  It's necessary for sanitation and the love of your child.  Using manure in agriculture is also different than playing with it.  It's a means to fertilize the soil and dispose of the manure, eventually making it into that which is clean.

I have no problem with people using poo in the right way.  It's also not a sin if you don't know any better.  You can't be faulted for doing something that you don't know is wrong.  God has promised that everyone shall be made to know the truth of his word.  That means that at some point the truth will be made clear to you and only if you then turn away from the lord and continue doing what you know is wrong will you be punished.

Also, just me telling someone what is right or wrong does not condemn them if they continue.  God has promised that if you ask him he will make the truth known unto you.  So if you ponder my words and possibly pray about the truth of them in good faith the truth will be made known to you at some point.  God may send you an answer by just making you feel the rightness of it or you might even get a sign.

For me, I'm generally a skeptic.  Nothing the lord does is going to convince me on logical grounds.  But I've prayed on the truthfulness and existence of him and of many scriptures.  I've never received anything that would rationally convince me, but at one point after praying in good faith and expecting an answer I was simply made to believe.  I have no reasoning behind it or way to convince others of the truth, I was simply made to believe with no explanation given.  That is how the lord works.  He's not going to sit you down and explain things to you, there's no reason for him to do that.  If you honestly ask for and seek the truth he can simply make you come to believe it.  Alternately if you pray to be shown the truth about something that is untrue or wrong he can simply confound you with "a stupor of thought" and make you basically forget that which is wrong.

So don't take my word for it.  Read the scriptures and pray on them in good faith expecting an answer and you'll be made to know the truth as if you'd always known it.  There's also the "burning in the breast" or being given a sign.  God isn't going to just smite (or spoil the grows of) those who don't follow what he wants, that would violate free will.  But if you pray on using, and getting too friendly with poo, and then your grow fails that may be a sign.

One last thing is that you have to be ready to follow the truth when it is shown to you.  If you pray for an answer knowing full well that you are going to smell, play with, and use that bag of poo regardless of what God makes evident to you, you will not get an answer.

Good luck in your searches.


-FF




I don't mean to sound like a bitch when I say this, and to each his own - when it comes to religion; but DAMN do I hate being preached to about it!  If I wanted to know about religion, I'd go to church, not read about it in a Shroomery forum.  People come hear to read about mushrooms, not religion.  Just my personal opinion, but I think you should keep your scriptures to yourself - or share them in a more appropriate place.


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Re: how bout this? [Re: princestoadstool]
    #5928520 - 08/03/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hey man, don't blame Fred, I'm the one who asked. Are you one of those people that wanna take the Pledge of Allegiance out of schools cuz it mentions God, or something?

Thanks for the bump-up, FF...it was fine till a couple days ago, guess I pissed in someone's weedies or something. Thanks for the answer too, definitely something to ponder on.

Back to the original post...I got my hpoo today and it looks great, same as from other places. I don't have anything colonized enough to spawn to it, but if it's something you've been leanin' to towards, Leanin, I'd say go for it.

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Re: how bout this? [Re: ComfortablyStond]
    #5928562 - 08/03/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You do realize the pledge is a basic form of brainwashing don't you?


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    #5929160 - 08/03/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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You do realize the pledge is a basic form of brainwashing don't you?




Agreed. We have these little kids saying this thing over and over and over again and they don't even know the ramifications and aren't educated enough to decide for themselves if they want to be patriots. Blind nationalism is not something we should be instilling in our children. Same goes for forcing children into religious affiliations.

The organizations (government, religion etc) want to survive and use children's minds to further there agendas. Get em while there young and don't know any better. Once they've accepted it for so long they will be much less willing to question it.

And We have these people who want this done to our children. Disgusting really. It makes you question how many people actually think for themselves.


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Re: how bout this? [Re: davesj1]
    #5929243 - 08/03/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Do any of you have children? Independant thought will only get an 8 year old so far...after that, it will get him/someone else hurt badly or possibly killed. As far as having them say the pledge, well, do you feel brainwashed? You said the pledge in school didn't you? It's all the liberal wishy-washy freaks with no real opinion/experience of their own, that sling advice for the whole of society and have for the most part turned "our children" into a bunch of lil sissy punks, and then reassure them that it's ok to be a lil sissy punk.

I'm not saying you should "force" patriotism/religion on anyone, I'm completly against it, actually. But if you never expose them to some type of religious/patriotic background, they won't be able to form any independent thought on said topics. Hence the wishy-washyness. The generation Xers are a product of said raising, having nothing "forced" on them, and most of them stumble around with no major purpose in life, nothing particular to believe in. Hell, 35% of them couldn't tell ya what year we became an independent nation, or what the Bill of Rights entails.

I'm sorry, I just believe that if we don't teach "our children" to love our country, then not only do we as a country not have a future, but the US Constitution isn't worth the giant rolling paper it's written on. Don't misconstrue patriotism for laying down to the government...in this country it means just the opposite. I've said it before and I'll say it again...the United States was founded on one basic principle, one basic idea...damn the man/fuck the government. That's patriotism!

Man, how did a tiny post about hpoo turn all political debate-like?

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Re: how bout this? [Re: ComfortablyStond]
    #5929442 - 08/03/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I apologize for any part I may have played in taking this thread off topic. However, before any friends become enemies, perhaps the religion discussion can be continued in the religion forum. I have found out the hard way more than once that politics and religion don't mix with other activities, especially hobbies.

I always mix in a bit of used coffee grinds with horse manure. Also, some benefit is to be had by mixing in a very small amount of chicken manure, but no more than about 2% by volume. Ten to twenty percent by volume of vermiculite will help the mycelium to colonize the manure substrate faster, and also helps to balance moisture content, but by all means know that it's optional. The same goes for perlite. Perlite holds air, so it tends to help keep the manure substrate from packing down too tight, essentially serving the same purpose it does in houseplant soil. Some growers also add a small amount of blood meal, but in my experience, I haven't seen much benefit to it. A tablespoon or two per tray however certainly doesn't hurt.

Horse manure by itself is great, but I've found that by supplementing with the above makes an excellent substrate even better.
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Re: how bout this? [Re: ComfortablyStond]
    #5929452 - 08/03/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

First of all to make the assumption that all gen Xers don't have direction and are wishy washy is ridiculous. And second to assume the reason for this is because they didn't have something forced on them when they were young is also ridiculous. IF it is true that thieve become wishy washy then there are many factors for this. Gender role blurring, breakdown of the family unit, etc.

Let kids learn about Government and history and religion in class in as fair and unbiased manner as passable. A love for a country should never be instilled into an impressionable mind. Education should be priority #1. Let them form there own opinion. Unfortunately, blind patriotism gets us in places like we are now with that monkey in the oval office. We need to teach our children to be critical and for them to question and think. They have the right to be able to make an informed and personal decision about whether they should support a certain country/religion based on whether or not T H E Y feel that it is worthwhile to do so.

And how will independent thought about nationalism/religion get an 8 year old American kid killed? Fostering independent thought doesn't mean abandoning basic rules of conduct and safety.

I think naturally there will always be followers who do not question. However I hope that a few more independent minds will help swing this country in the right direction.

I know this is totaly off subject and in the wrong forum. Mods feel free to move this. I wont continue this in this forum.


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