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bazzah
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kava kava: a suitable substitute?
#5925164 - 08/02/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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So in a month I will be going to a new college that drug tests. This means I say goodbye to my good friend mary jane. I was wondering if kava kava was a good substitute? I've heard mixed reviews- everything from "Wow, I will never smoke or drink again." to Diet Coke giving a better high. What are your experience and your overall impression of the drug?
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: bazzah]
#5925241 - 08/02/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had a drink with it, very impressed. Felt like a couple of vicodin or soma's, without the thought impairment.
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: bazzah]
#5925242 - 08/02/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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HA HA sorry but i will never attend any school that forces me to pee in a cup. I'd rather spend my life in the lower middle class and have freedom...
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: StroFun]
#5925261 - 08/02/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, why go to a college that drug tests? There are plenty of good school that DON'T drug test.
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: StroFun]
#5925272 - 08/02/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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When I took Kava before and during the first few months I smoked pot it was wonderful, not as good as pot but Intoxication, Calmness, Wonderful Body sensations like a cool breeze from within. Now all of my experiences with Kava are like "OK I fasted 5 hours and at a shitload of this nasty paste but nothing is happening..." So it probably varies based on what drugs you have used and are using. Try it and find out.
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: passitbobbie]
#5925911 - 08/02/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I love brweing and drinking Kava tea when on psychadellics. It compliments mushrooms and LSD perfectly.
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: pantsboy]
#5925938 - 08/02/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I bought the kava paste from iamshaman.com and it tasted like ass, numbed my mouth and gave me terrible shits. the psychoactive effects were minimal. it sucked..
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: today mylove]
#5926311 - 08/02/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kratom is pretty good and I like smoking kanna and blue lotus. Nothing really substitutes for plain old weed but still.
BTW, fuck that school. I didn't know even fucking colleges are doing that Jesus Christ that's Orwellian.
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: bazzah]
#5926817 - 08/02/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i bought a bunch of kava pills from a health food store awhile back, i have to say i'm pleased with what they do to me.
absolutely nothing like smoking or drinking, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. i mainly take it if im having some anxiety or am really tense and just need to chill out.
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: bazzah]
#5927185 - 08/02/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like it. I had more of a stoney experience like ganja than a drunken experience like booze. In fact, I was pretty messed up after 3 cups and wrote a nice little essay about it. It is a little drunken-retarded, but what the hell:
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To complement the other first time drug stories that I probably don't have anymore, here is one of Kava.
Mildly stoned is where I feel myself going. There is nothing of the polluted feeling of alcohol, but perhaps that is just an opinion I aquired somewhere.
The effect is narcotic, the mouth is numb and the eyes don't want to close, but tend to lose focus. That is in fact a good approximation of the effects. You lose focus. I wouldn't say an increase in awareness, but just a general lack of concentration. For example, I am less focused on typing these letters than usual and more aware of the sound of the sprinkler and the people upstairs.
I become aware of an internal pulse. I suddenly understand that a heartbeat is actually a muscle flexing. Duh. But of course, as with all revelation, how did I not know this before. It feels like my heart is flexing and then relaxing in endless repetition. I had believed that it was more like a spasm. Ha, perhaps mine usually does spasm.
I feel obligated to be alert because it sweetens my sleep, my…delusions.
Much more stoned than drunk. Effects are fairly pronounced for about four gulps of 2 tablespoons in 10 oz. Yeah, that is very approximate. Good thing I didn't follow the 1 to 4 ratio I read about here and there. Some people are god damn retarded. Its good to have that phrase back.
I think it would be better hot and would impart its particular flavor upon whatever you use in the creation. For efficacy it is recommended to use milk or oil for extraction, or if I could just eat the two tablespoons of powder...
But never boil, so say the voices. I guess trial brings truth.
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: bazzah]
#5927293 - 08/02/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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warning: the only kava i ever tried was a "free sample" from a guy on the internet it was almost worth it for the plain fact that he posted this to me as a 1 KG bag of unlabeled white powder in a newspaper wrapped cardboard box it was his old stock apparently 
made me feel numb and slightly wobbly. no big changes in thinking etc. all the other people who tried this vomited, but i was the only person not drinking alcohol so i blame it is on this (not the dodgy powder no) so i wouldnt recomend mixing it with alcohol.
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: MaryanneNumber]
#5927397 - 08/02/06 11:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i drank it in fiji with the fijians for 3 months, i took part in their rituals. i have 4 or 5 pounds now of fijian and vanuatu kava.
the picture in my sig is me mixing kava in fiji the day before we left home to this shithole.
mixing kava and alcohol is fine, beer is commonly drank in fiji with kava, as they work on the same receptors to produce the same effects. kawaiin and yangonin are the kavalactones responsible for producing the numbing feelings of the mouth, and in lower doses and stimulant feeling in the chest. Methysticin found to be similar to Myristicin (found in myristica fragrans, or 'nutmeg') to a degree in effect, and in the fact that theres a reverse tolerance that must be built up and broken before one is to feel the effects of kava.
Solution? VVV Building up your kava glands
Kava does not produce a retarded headstate terillius, i wouldnt be surprise if it was placebo. was it your first time drinking kava? please refer to my tolerance thread in the link above. even drinking the strongest kava in the world, on a little island of Kadavu (Kun-Dah-Voo) in fiji, one would still need 20-40 high tides (halved-coconut bowls full to the brim with kava, as low tide would be half full) to get anywhere near a state of euphoria.
dont eat 3 or 4 hours prior to your kava session, and look up proper way to mix, dont make a fairy little milk drink with cinnamon 
to mix: make a fist with your hand, and guestimate that size of a ball of your kava powder, this is your dose. wrap it up in a neckerchief and tie it off or wrap it around your hand so chunks of kava wont leak into your drink. get a large bowl, large enough to put your hand in there and work, without worry of splashing water out of the bowl. cold water works best, never use warm or hot water, yuck. kneed the kneckerchief as u see me, pressing it against the sides of the bowl with your hands (yes in the water, have fun get wet) and mashing it while rolling it, trying to kneed out the smaller particles. you will start to notice the water getting more and more tan. once u have milked the fuck out of that neckerchief (10-15 mins of kneeding in the water), give it one last strain so there no water inside and put it on ap late or something, the stuff inside is good for a few tanoas (the bowl ur working in) full. even when u cant squeeze anymore out, the kava can be redried, reground or pounded, and used again, as all those methods break up more cell barriers. We would often save kava to dry if we knew we wouldnt have a chance to go to the ferry for a few days.
the brew is going to taste like dirt water, maybe peppery or slightly bitter, with a very slight hint of what one might compare to nutmeg. some cant stand the taste, but a minute or two after your first bowl your mouth goes numb, and stays that way for a while longer. This helps mask the taste.
Kava is not drank fast in fiji, one will start the session with a ceremonial clap, and hand a low or high tide depending on preference, to each person, who would clap once, drink, and then clap three times. then they would play vindi vindi (fijian pool), strum a guitar, and just talk and chill for 5-10 mins before drinking another. Sometimes someone will just blurt out "Umbo!" which means "Serve me a damn bowl!"  and the sessions start again.
I dont know if you would want to be sitting and drinking your brew all night if your just looking for a quick headchange. Though I do have a passion for kava, and hold it just as high as marijuana, I do not find the two similar.
Kava is more of a Euphoretic and Disassociative, though you wont feel any Disassociative effects until you drink 100+ coconut bowls like I did about 4 hours after that picture in my sig was taken. I think ive posted this before but at one point I felt like a ball of thought, and perceived myself as this little white orb floating through space. Just observing, realizing, computing.
Do you research, and dont buy any kava from the US!
if you want kava powder, make sure its brown, or a mix of brown and white. dont get yellow, or all white, YUCK. these are the chitty americanized versions that have had most of the kavalactones aged or extracted out already.
heres some pics of kava and fijians
 ^ field, w00t
 closeup
 2kilo bundle of roots that we used as a christmas tree. 
anyway, peace from fiji

hope this post was informative.
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: CptnGarden]
#5927719 - 08/03/06 03:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ot makes you trip while you sleep but not while your awake. A weird drug, but I like it's effects.
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: pantsboy]
#5927805 - 08/03/06 04:26 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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pantsboy said: Ot makes you trip while you sleep but not while your awake. A weird drug, but I like it's effects.
What is Ot?
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: passitbobbie]
#5927809 - 08/03/06 04:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would love to hear more about this dissociative (isn't dissassociative a different thing?) effect of Kava Kava. Any details about your experiences or speculation/facts about the chemical/pharmacology behind it would be most fascinating to me SoD. As always good, detailed information and I always wondered Why The Fuck you were wearing a thatch hat meditating over what I thought was cereal in some tropical paradise
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: bazzah]
#5928024 - 08/03/06 08:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tastes like shit, pain in the ass to make, but very effective for anxiety and muscle tension. It won't replace weed entirely. I don't think anything can, but it may help you cope with going without.
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#5928238 - 08/03/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I tried the liquid extract form of Kava Kava from Gaia Herbs and found the effects to be quite soothing. I felt very giddy and relaxed. This is my first time using Kava and I found this product at Vitamin Cottage for about $10-$12. I'm not sure if this is the crappy stuff or not, but it sure makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: pantsboy]
#5928446 - 08/03/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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pantsboy said: Ot makes you trip while you sleep but not while your awake. A weird drug, but I like it's effects.
I forgot about that! This stuff makes you dream like crazy. Also, I started to mix mine with homemade wine to accentuate the effects. The comment about muscle tension was right on as well. Drink a cup before you get a massage. Mmmmmmmm......
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: Terillius]
#5928474 - 08/03/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah people think im some tofu eatin hippy (even tho thats my diet due to medical issues), but that hat was made for me by hand, by some of my fijian friends, and I wore it not only to be polite, but I was pretty shitfaced 
liquid extract usualy isnt worth it unless your looking to build up your kava glands.
there was 3 audio files on here a while ago about kava, i still have em if anyone wants em, PM me and we will dicuss a way for them to be sent, they are 15mb. I could email or send direct through AIM.
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Re: kava kava: a suitable substitute? [Re: CptnGarden]
#5928580 - 08/03/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i tried the paste and all it did was make my mouth numb....at large doses it makes you relaxed and it kept me from having a panic attack. nothing too profound though.
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