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StickyWater
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: phungi]
#5925691 - 08/02/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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*shrug* if you leave a glass of water out it will collect bacteria... If you keep bottled water for several years, I'm pretty sure it will also collect bacteria (it was either that or absorbing chemicals from the plastic or both that they put expirey dates on the bottles). Water's the source of all life, I'd be pretty surprised if there was no bacteria in it after a couple days... Don't think a bong would be much different... Whether this bacteria is really harmful I have no idea. Friend had a party house and he had a house bong, it was absolutely black with resin (pretty much the entire neck was just coated with resin) and he never really changed the water, maybe once every month and a half... I refused to use it cause it tasted so bad, but nobody seemed to get sick from it or anything...
Hell, if you leave a bong by a window I'm sure you'd get algae...
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: pokalot]
#5926397 - 08/02/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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pokalot said: Last night I was smoking "bud" out of my bubbler pipe and I coughed pretty bad. Then at 4:30 in the morning I woke up and I couldn't breathe at all! Then I starting gaging and choking, so I ran for the phone to call 911. Before I got to the phone, I starting being able to breath again. Then I realized my throat was swollen. Could that have been caused by the bubbler pipe and me coughing? Has anyone had a similar experience?
Pokalot
If your for real. Sounds to me like you had an asthma attack. Mine started off the exact same way, waking up in the morning literally choking not being able to breath.
If you was bonging hard and coughing alot the night before that probably set it off. Lay off the bong and it might go away, if it doesn't you need to go get some salbutamol and a steroid perscribed.
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phungi
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: Mike_yy]
#5926800 - 08/02/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If this dude is for real I'll eat my underwear.
This dude is a total poser.....
Read his other posts, he's a leo.
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: phungi]
#5926824 - 08/02/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Too bad nobody really does drugs around here.
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twiggedoubt
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: microsporum]
#5929742 - 08/03/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shoot up some marijuana oil, I bet money it will kill you. The whole marijuana can't kill you thing isn't really all that honest. If you are allergic to marijuana and you die, the allergic reaction is what killed you, if you have a heart attack on marijuana then the heart attack is what killed you. Marijuana never killed anyone like a baseball bat has never killed anyone. I can kill someone with a brick of shwag as well, to make that statment even more true.
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: pokalot]
#5929891 - 08/03/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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get an allergy check you may be allergic to moulds or marijuana itself. I know I'm allergic to moulds found in alcohol and around the house (I don't need alcohol any ways ).
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: twiggedoubt]
#5929947 - 08/03/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If someone has a health complication as a direct result of a drug, the drug is identified as the cause of death. If a person has a preexisting condition that is a different story. Everything I have ever read, including the prohibition propaganda, has never blamed any deaths directly on marijuana.
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It is generally considered to be impossible to achieve a lethal overdose by smoking cannabis. According to the Merck Index, 12th edition, the LD50, the lethal dose for 50% of rats tested by inhalation, is 42 mg/kg of body weight. That is equivalent of a 165 lb (75 kg) man ingesting all of the THC in 21 one-gram cigarettes of high-potency (15% THC) cannabis buds at once, assuming no THC was lost through burning or exhalation. For oral consumption, the LD50 for rats is 1270 mg/kg and 730 mg/kg for males and females, respectively, equivalent to the THC in about a pound of 15% THC cannabis. Only with intravenous administration — an unheard-of method of use — may such a level be even theoretically possible.[22] Recently though, there have been a few incidents of THC-injections via syringes. All reported cases resulted in short-term paralysis and consuming states of euphoria.
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Asante
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: PowerTrip]
#5929991 - 08/03/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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According to the Merck Index, 12th edition, the LD50, the lethal dose for 50% of rats tested by inhalation, is 42 mg/kg of body weight. That is equivalent of a 165 lb (75 kg) man ingesting all of the THC in 21 one-gram cigarettes of high-potency (15% THC) cannabis buds at once, assuming no THC was lost through burning or exhalation. For oral consumption, the LD50 for rats is 1270 mg/kg and 730 mg/kg for males and females, respectively, equivalent to the THC in about a pound of 15% THC cannabis.
Every week I can write the same thing over and over again at length.
Short version:
No, Wikipedia is blabbing pure bullshit here. You can NOT equate LD50s between species like that. You can also not equate forcing smoke up a critters lungs with the voluntary and deliberate act of smoking.
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: Asante]
#5930036 - 08/03/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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umm dude if the "calculated" LD50 for humans is only 21 grams from that... I'm pretty sure I've almost killed myself on a couple occasions.
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: pokalot]
#5930047 - 08/03/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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My friend has an enflamed esauphogus(sp?) and he had to quit smoking for a while because when he did his throat swelled up and he couldnt breath, he also couldn't swollow, his vision blurred, and his limbs went numb. Due to those other symptoms it might not be the same thing as you. It wasn't a direct cause from the marijuana. Stress caused stomach acid to enflame his throat the heat from the smoke just induced the attack.
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Edgekrusher
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Dude, don't even play with me like that.... I've made it my lifelong goal (next to owning willy-wonka's factory) to be the first man to overdose on marijuana. Don't steal my dreams!
I'm gonna be so damn famous.
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: Edgekrusher]
#5930210 - 08/04/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Outta how many people smoke marijuana it seems pretty likely that at least 1 person would have had a heart attack while smoking weed and died, and at least one person would have had an allergic reaction and died. Not to mention that "Noone has ever died from marijuana." can not be proven, since they believe people have been using marijuana for its effects for thousands of years. There is no LD50 for marijuana, nor LD50 for THC as they haven't recorded any lethal doses, let alone enough people to determine an LD50. By the way its grams of THC, not marijuana. (Since different species and hybrids have different levels).
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Asante
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: twiggedoubt]
#5930350 - 08/04/06 01:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Outta how many people smoke marijuana it seems pretty likely that at least 1 person would have had a heart attack while smoking weed and died, and at least one person would have had an allergic reaction and died.
Oh they do die, and I don't think a week goes by without someone dying from marijuana. But its not the herb's fault you see: its people with bad hearts, or allergic predispositions, or they were too old or bla or bla or blablablabla.
I've grown to strongly dislike the "harmless weed" mentality, what it tries is to dodge taking responsibility for the risks taken by stating there are no risks at all.
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: shamantra]
#5930506 - 08/04/06 05:00 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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shamantra said: maybe you havent heard so much
the bruce lee thing is just a myth, noone knows exactly why he died. but that someone has died before from allergic reactions to marijuana is not unlikely
in that case, they would be dying from allergies, not from marijuana.
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StickyWater
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: Asante]
#5930541 - 08/04/06 05:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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Outta how many people smoke marijuana it seems pretty likely that at least 1 person would have had a heart attack while smoking weed and died, and at least one person would have had an allergic reaction and died.
Oh they do die, and I don't think a week goes by without someone dying from marijuana. But its not the herb's fault you see: its people with bad hearts, or allergic predispositions, or they were too old or bla or bla or blablablabla.
I've grown to strongly dislike the "harmless weed" mentality, what it tries is to dodge taking responsibility for the risks taken by stating there are no risks at all.
If people were dying weekly from marijuana I think you'd hear about it a lot more. I'm sure all those anti-drug campaigns would jump all over that.
Yes, marijuana increases heart rate and affects blood pressure, although to the normal person not to a lethal extent. Of course I'd be more surprised if nobody has died from using weed, but clearly the rate of deaths is so low the anti-drug programs don't even bother mentioning it...
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: StickyWater]
#5930707 - 08/04/06 07:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here's a cut & paste from another post, because I'm lazy.
Hmm links please..
The extent of possible long-term damage on psyche and cognition, immune system, fertility and pregnancy remains controversial. Marijuana can induce a schizophrenic psychosis in vulnerable persons presumably without increasing the incidence of the disease. Disturbance of immunological and hormonal functions and long-term impairment of memory, attention, and complex cognitive processes are low.
"Low" means that even this pro-marijuana research paper acknowledges disturbances of immune system, hormonal functions and long-term impairment of memory, attention, and complex cognitive processes
The extent of possible long-term damage on psyche and cognition, immune system, fertility and pregnancy remains controversial. Aside from brain syndromes infertility and pregnancy effects are DNA effects.
Clin Toxicol. 1979 Apr;14(4):433-8. Related Articles, Links
Myocardial infarction and marijuana
Myocardial infarction in the virtual absence of risk factors occurred in a 25-year old man shortly after smoking a cigarette containing marijuana. Subsequent coronary arteriography was normal.
This is what happened to me personally but then in a bit more severe case with no risk factors of significance.
Marijuana's cardiovascular effects are not associated with serious health problems for most young, healthy users, although occasional myocardial infarction, stroke, and other adverse cardiovascular events are reported. Marijuana smoking by people with cardiovascular disease poses health risks because of the consequences of the resulting increased cardiac work, increased catecholamine levels, carboxyhemoglobin, and postural hypotension.
Only occasionally weed causes heart attacks, strokes and similar health crises.
We already know that regular use of cannabis is associated with an increased incidence of mental illnesses, most notably schizophrenia and depression,4 but it is also worth examining its potential to cause other illnesses, especially those of the heart and respiratory system...Smoking cannabis causes chronic bronchitis, emphysema, and other lung disorders, which were recently summarised in a review released by the British Lung Foundation.3 ...Although the active ingredients of the cannabis plant differ from those of the tobacco plant, each produces about 4000 chemicals when smoked and these are largely identical...A striking feature of cannabis smoking is that it is associated with bullous lung disease in young people.6 Inflammatory lung changes, chronic cough, and chest infections are similar to those in cigarette smokers, but may also be commoner in younger people.7-9 Premalignant changes have been shown in the pulmonary epithelium, and there are reports of lung, tongue, and other cancers in cannabis smokers... For example, one could calculate that if cigarettes cause an annual excess of 120 000 deaths among 13 million smokers, the corresponding figure for deaths among 3.2 million cannabis smokers would be 30 000, assuming equality of effect. Even if the number of deaths attributable to cannabis turned out to be a fraction of that figure, smoking cannabis would still be a major public health hazard. However, when the likely mental health burden is added to the potential for morbidity and premature death from cardiopulmonary disease, these signals cannot be ignored.
pretty stiff statements from the British Lung Foundation et al, don't you think? cannabis smokers get the same illnesses, plus extra illnesses at a younger age then tobacco smokers. note the unusual number of high-lethality and chronic disabling diseases in that list
Several publications have recently suggested a relationship between cannabis use and certain types of cancer. We gathered information on the latest findings on the subject. A manual and computerized bibliographic search on cannabis and cancer was conducted. In users under 40 years of age, cannabis is suspected to increase the risk of squamous-cell carcinoma of the upper aerodigestive tract, particularly of the tongue and larynx, and possibly of lung. Other tumours being suspected are non-lymphoblastic acute leukaemia and astrocytoma. In head and neck cancer, carcinogenicity was observed for regular (i.e. more than once a day for years) cannabis smokers. Moreover, cannabis increases the risk of head and neck cancer in a dose-response manner for frequency and duration of use. Interaction was observed with cigarette smoking and alcohol use. Delta9-THC seems to have a specific carcinogenic effect different from that of the pyrolysis products.
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Edited by Asante (08/04/06 08:03 AM)
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StickyWater
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: Asante]
#5930773 - 08/04/06 08:31 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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forgive me if I missed something, but those sound like all the same problems associated with smoking anything, not just marijuana... While I didn't check the links you provided (far too tired) I'd just like to bring to your attention that a lot of the time the people examined in those studies seem to also be cigarette smokers, or who used to smoke cigarettes. I'm not questioning the validity of the information or anything, just bringing it to attention.
It seems that other than the rare heart problems and risk of stroke, all the dangers seem easily avoidable by vaporizing or eating it. Unless I missed something in your post, smoke kills, not marijuana... They just happen to usually be linked. Yet another reason why I encourage everyone to invest in a vaporizer (trust me, get a good one and you'll find yourself carrying even the most cumbersome device around just to avoid smoking)
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: StickyWater]
#5930920 - 08/04/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The point is that marijuana isn't harmless, and I really think that people that spew that marijuana is harmless are doing more bad then good for the legalisation movement. Also the whole "Its safer than alcohol and tobacco" argument is just 2 reasons to make alcohol and tobacco illegal, not 1 reason to make marijuana legal.
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: StickyWater]
#5930999 - 08/04/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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those sound like all the same problems associated with smoking anything, not just marijuana...
The "harmless" defense defies common sense and research findings by stating there is *no harm whatsoever* from inhaling cannabis smoke, that its interchangable with air in harmlessless. Never mind that people cough so hard they poo their pants, that's "healthy coughing that rids the lungs of toxic wastes from air pollution" Riight 
By your application of common sense I can see you're not one of the front-line "harmless"-defenders. These people by their leaning on biased 1970s research and defiance of common sense do little more than spread the notion that marijuana brings on delusions, which isnt helping the movement. I'd call it naive, if it wasnt often done with such aggression.
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associated with smoking anything, not just marijuana...
not exactly. it is the THC's effects on the heart that in some people under some conditions can trigger adverse events. It is even considered a possibility that THC itself in any shape or form is a carcinogen.
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all the dangers seem easily avoidable by vaporizing or eating it.
Not if THC indeed causes cancer. Smoking weed seems to cause different cancer patterns than smoking tobacco does.
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smoke kills, not marijuana...
Smoking makes use of marijuana far more harmful to health, I fully agree. But "everybody" (95+%) smokes it so that makes marijuana use on the whole causes harm.
If people accept the consequences of their drugtaking actions, I'd say they can go righ ahead, but to assert that there is no harm whatsoever is cheating yourself and robbing others of the chance of making an informed decision by spreading dangerous misinformation. They go as far as to suggest to someone who's *having* an asthma attack to light up a joint or hit a bong.
My personal belief is that eating (and perhaps vaporizing) cannabis is fairly safe, but that smoking it is not. There are so many cardiovascular and respiratory patients that it isn't immediately obvious, but it is to honest medical researchers who pay close attention.
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Re: Almost Died From Marijuana??? [Re: kotik]
#5931000 - 08/04/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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kotik said:
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shamantra said: maybe you havent heard so much
the bruce lee thing is just a myth, noone knows exactly why he died. but that someone has died before from allergic reactions to marijuana is not unlikely
in that case, they would be dying from allergies, not from marijuana.
yes of course, i did not mean to imply anything else. The only way cannabis is going to actually kill something is if someone get crused from a ton falling from a plane.
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