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Fashion - Materialism or Art?
    #5924168 - 08/02/06 01:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Does being keen on fashion make you a materialist? To what extent is fashion a manifestation of materialism, and to what extent is it artistic expression?

Can you be fashionably hip, spend a good deal on attire, and be unmaterialistic under the justification of self-expression?

I realize this is largely on a case to case question, depending greatly on the sample, so I expect vast generalizations here.


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: RRRR]
    #5924223 - 08/02/06 01:50 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I used to look down at the notion of fashion, but I was only thinking of it in terms of mainstream fashion. Now I love the idea of expressing my personality through my style of dress. It's not about fitting in, but rather about expressing myself. In that sense, I think it's very artistic.


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5924255 - 08/02/06 02:08 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

we know the world is a stage
we are part of the action on that stage
a bit of grooming helps to improve the general quality of the show

some fashion appearances form inspiring sub plots in the overall theater.


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5924360 - 08/02/06 03:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I dont think fashion is materialism or art, nor is it self-expression... it is self-marketing, and over the years I have said that with less and less of a derrogatory tone.

IMO, it is a necessary evil, atleast within the confines of our society.

now, hygiene isnt what i am talking about, but rather tat's, peircings, hair coloring and extravagant hair styles, make-up, teeth bleaching, breast augmentation.... all the same thing - image projection.

amidst a generation of people whose slogan is "i don't care what anyone thinks" (read: I care that people think I dont care what people think) and the mantra of "stereotypes are bad asshole!", we dress in a way as to prompt people to stereotype us, but only in the self-absorbed illusory image we think we are giving off with our popped collars, pre-frayed brims, Paris Hilton goggle-glasses, barbed-wire tattoo's, asymmetrical neo-flock-of-seagulls dual toned hair, retro members-only jackets with scarves to match and vinyl tennis shoes.

We are shocked when other people find our fashion to be immature or just plain tacky and retort "this is who I am!". You aren't expressing yourself, you are expressing who you want to be, and it is almost always a lie. You are a black and white dot flying across the sea of television static hoping that your sway/spin/lurch/erratic movement will set you apart mentally and physically from all those other people who shop at the exact same stores as you do..... oh, but you go to the thrift store? wow, that grease-monkey shirt that says "Ralph" on it is so cool..... what is your myspace address?


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5924891 - 08/02/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

you can definitely do artistic things with clothes, but i'm not sure if it is the same as following a fashion.


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5924917 - 08/02/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Keep in mind, however, that most people have limited resources. They only have a certain amount of money, they only have access to certain stores, they can't design their own clothing, etc. So given the limited resources, I'd say that fashion is a form of self-expression. Granted there are many who try to live up to various stereotypes or images, but that too is self-expression.


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: RRRR]
    #5925396 - 08/02/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Fashion is too much of interpretation to a package.


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5926275 - 08/02/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Everyones fashion is mimicking a pre-existing fashion. Why do you think every stylists shop has more magazines regarding celebrities than actual hair style magazines?


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5926384 - 08/02/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I meant to add:

how is it individual self-expression when mimicking a pre-existing for of self-expression?


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5926409 - 08/02/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

psilocyberin said:
how is it individual self-expression when mimicking a pre-existing for of self-expression?




The self makes a decision to express itself, regardless of the reasoning for the expression or that which was taken into consideration in choosing to express itself.

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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5926465 - 08/02/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't buy that subconscious duality. What is the difference between someone lying about how much money they make, their house in the bahamas, and their 11 inch cock and someone dressing a certain way which is not an accurate representation of who they are?


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5926472 - 08/02/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not able to understand your question, but I admit that perhaps I am incredibly tired and altered. :stoned: :yawn:

In other words, simplify it for a child to understand, as, in this moment, I am a child. :lol:

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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5926486 - 08/02/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

maybe i didnt understand your primary statement.

but basically, what is the difference between dressing a lie, and telling a lie?
I think calling fashion an art, is like calling lying an art. So Paris Hilton and Rumsfeld have more in common than I thought.


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5926505 - 08/02/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'd have to imagine that there is some sense of creativity laying somewhere within fashion, so I think it can be considered to be art. Then, I consider art to be an expression of reality, and also that art doesn't have to be for art's sake. :lol:

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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5926549 - 08/02/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Fasion, turn to the left. Fasion, turn to the right"

I like it as long as it's comfortable.


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: Icelander]
    #5926595 - 08/02/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

utilitarianism all the way!


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5926659 - 08/02/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

psilocyberin said:
I meant to add:

how is it individual self-expression when mimicking a pre-existing for of self-expression?



All art is based on art that came before it. It evolves into something new. Just because you seek inspiration elsewhere doesn't mean it's not self-expression.


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5926693 - 08/02/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yes, iagree that there is a huge difference between variation and mimicking, but I dont see variation really in modern fashion.

But then again, this is one of the most unfashionable people discussing fashion, so my argument has little weight in this.


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5926725 - 08/02/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
I like it as long as its comfortable




Quote:

psilocyberin said:
utilitarianism all the way!




Unlike 99.9999% of women I have met, my primary consideration in choosing clothing is comfort.  Secondary is color/fit/style.

I am not pierced, rarely wear makeup, and have never starved myself or worn shoes which hurt my feet more than once.

My clothing budget is @$200 per year, so I shop at thrift stores and consignment stores. 

Despite (or perhaps because of?) these anti-fashion practices, I am often complimented on my clothing and appearance.  :shrug: 

My style?  WYSIWYG.  :grin:


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Re: Fashion - Materialism or Art? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5926740 - 08/02/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:
All art is based on art that came before it.  It evolves into something new.  Just because you seek inspiration elsewhere doesn't mean it's not self-expression.




Just like life itself. If you intentionally mimic others in order to communicate that you belong, then that which you mimic will convey that one is attempting to belong. Its all evident in reality, there simply needs to be some awareness there to perceive it. :wink:

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