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Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case?
#5923314 - 08/01/06 09:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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hey, i looked a little and couldnt find it, how would u go about sterelizng jungle mix, to put on a fully colonized hpoo case. I hear something like soak it in water, and nuke, but should i drain out the water before i nuke it? thx
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SpookerShroom
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923381 - 08/01/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You are in great need of shroomschool fellow shoomerite.
Read the FAQ's more.
Do some searching of posts.
There are some good teks on pasturizing your casing mix in the cult. archives.
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liamtheloser
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: SpookerShroom]
#5923383 - 08/01/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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liamtheloser
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: liamtheloser]
#5923385 - 08/01/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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spooker, you scenestealer :P
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SpookerShroom
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: liamtheloser]
#5923414 - 08/01/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol hey I told you i was going to use that alot, its needed quite a bit on here!
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uprising
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923433 - 08/01/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i read teks a lot, i guess ill read some more
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Yamidude
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923477 - 08/01/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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coir is a terrible casing.. It is too nutrient rich. I use coir as a substrate..
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uprising
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: Yamidude]
#5923530 - 08/01/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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im talking about jungle mix, and what should cover it after teh layer is added, now its just some alluminum foil with holes on it
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923538 - 08/01/06 10:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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nevermind I thought you were talking about coir.
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uprising
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923540 - 08/01/06 10:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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still what shoudl i cvoer it with? and after nuking the jungle mix coir/shoudl i let it cool off? or apply hot? i tihnk i have to let it cool, if so how much?
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Edited by uprising (08/01/06 11:02 PM)
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liamtheloser
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: Yamidude]
#5923543 - 08/01/06 10:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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nevermind... jungle mix is: Sterilized Virgin Organic Soil, Fine Grain Sand, Vermiculite, Peat Moss, Orchid Bark, and Green Tea Moss.
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liamtheloser
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: liamtheloser]
#5923556 - 08/01/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You bring it to FIELD CAPACITY in a bowl, then squeeze until it's saturated, then you pasteurize it, then you use it.
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SpookerShroom
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: Yamidude]
#5923561 - 08/01/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yami you are a coir god. lol...I have yet to try coir as a bulk, but I will very soon, after reading your many positive posts about it, nomatter what the other shroomerites flammed you about it lol, I will do my own testing and decide for myself, and not flame you anyways even if it shits the bed for me.
The only casing layer I use is 30/70 verm/coir....thats just what works for me.
Keep that alum. with holes on your casing layer, making sure you dont compact the casing layer at all when you put the foil back on.. until you want to innitiate pinning, then take it off, making sure you have set up your ...setup....to maintain optimal humidity.
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Yamidude
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: SpookerShroom]
#5923591 - 08/01/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am no god. Im on my first grow. I read alot and enjoy experimenting. I have poo trays going into the FC this week alonside my 5 Coir trays. then in about 2 weeks I'll have some trays of colonized HMC compost. And I also plan on doing some coir/worm castings trays after that.
I will always love the ease of the Coir+ method though. I can't make any claims until i have mature fruits though. Check my journal for my progress.
If anything I would say, CreamCorn, Liamtheloser, and I are the Coir gang... Maybe we will collaberate on a proper Coir+ method TEK sooner or later..
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creamcorn
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: Yamidude]
#5923628 - 08/01/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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only if we can add miracle gro casing in there...
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Yamidude
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: creamcorn]
#5923636 - 08/01/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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werd.. I had a section of one of my poo trays that had some cobwebbish looking contam on it so instead of taking chances, i peroxided it and then cut it out and transferred it outside where i then cased it with miracle grow JUST FOR YOU CC!!
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creamcorn
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: Yamidude]
#5923645 - 08/01/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh real flattering you only trust my casing mix for your contaminated garbage!
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Yamidude
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: creamcorn]
#5923655 - 08/01/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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creamcorn said: oh real flattering you only trust my casing mix for your contaminated garbage!
ROFL. i only had a little bit left, whereas I have a 50lb bag of peat.. I will I will.. dont fret my little CC
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uprising
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: creamcorn]
#5923656 - 08/01/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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after i nuke should i let it cool to warmness or coldness?
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923665 - 08/01/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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uprising said: after i nuke should i let it cool to warmness or coldness?
who said anything about nuking anything??!! Pasturize, nuking is lame and faulty..
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uprising
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923680 - 08/01/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i need to sterelize this jungle mix not pasteruzie it
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923685 - 08/01/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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uprising said: i need to sterelize this jungle mix not pasteruzie it
says who?!
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liamtheloser
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: Yamidude]
#5923689 - 08/01/06 11:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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And the answer is coldness... Especially with microwaved casing mix... it'll be really hot in some places, and warm in others...
And yami, you need to get on the miracle grow band wagon... come on man, you know you want to :P
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uprising
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923691 - 08/01/06 11:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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says i know what i need, im not using it as a bulk merely to cover and retain the moisture for the actual bulk substrate
eddit: TY! will wait until its cold
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Edited by uprising (08/01/06 11:13 PM)
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creamcorn
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923702 - 08/01/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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for a casing mix? technically it should be pasteurized. you can sterilize. you can also nuke in the microwave. there's lots of threads aruing the reasons and merits of each. pasteurization is really the by-the-book way. (i do microwave. 2-3 minutes on, wait 15, 2-3 more minutes, wait 15 more, finally 3 more minutes)... whatever you do to it, let it sit a while til its totally cool. dont take risks, let things cool.
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923705 - 08/01/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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uprising said: says i know what i need, im not using it as a bulk merely to cover and retain the moisture for the actual bulk substrate
eddit: TY! will wait until its cold
OK master Mycologist. BTW nuking it is pasturizing but whatever..
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uprising
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923724 - 08/01/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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really i thought pasteruizing was when you dont kill everything, nuking just destroys everything dosent it? i may be wrong i am not certian
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923730 - 08/01/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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uprising said: really i thought pasteruizing was when you dont kill everything, nuking just destroys everything dosent it? i may be wrong i am not certian
kind of, there has been small debates on nuking lately. Some claim it's not effective as pasturization goes because it can get to hot, but it's not a true sterilization either IMO. PC'ing is the only true sterilization (aside from autoclaving)
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creamcorn
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: Yamidude]
#5923734 - 08/01/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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nuking is ghetto half ass pasteurizing. because microwaves do heat so unevenly, some areas will approach sterile. its all good in the end though... works out and is so much easier than monitoring temps and holding it at just the right temperature for a length of time and all that... thats the deal with the wait between nukes, to get the temp up and keep it up, the goal of pasteurization is a reduction to near elimination of spore contam load while allowing a small amount of bacteria to survive. microwaving, you probably miss some of the spore load, and probably end up hurting more of the bacteria than you meant to... but it balances back out and has never failed me.
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uprising
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923758 - 08/01/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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hard work being a playa
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Re: Sterelizing the stuff that goes on top for your case? [Re: uprising]
#5923845 - 08/01/06 11:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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damn straight
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