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    #5922503 - 08/01/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I was thinking today. Earlier this year I decided to stop defending my opinions in any real way. This was an attempt to make my powers of perception more fluid by not tieing myself down to one state of awareness by defending it. I saw that refusing to defend my opinions to some degree was an energy saving maneuver as well, but this is just a small first step. I have now declined to stop defending my self image. I have let this self image thing be in control for too long. While I have minimized it a bit over the years, I find that I have really modified it only...not killed it. I realized today that way too much of my self image...most of it in fact....is based on what other people perceive...my cultural programming....not on what I perceive. So, in the future I am deciding to not defend any issue regarding my self image. I discovered that my whole perspective on being a husband and parent...and a person, and what those roles comprise, is part of a self image based on what I am expected to be by the nameless masses. My views on relationships are definitely pure self image. They are not my opinions, but the opinions of others. This was instilled in me as a child. I don't see the answer in rejecting this cultural programming, but in merely disregarding it as an invalid part of myself. I do not want to be safe. I want my whole life to be an adventure. The way of adventure is not in being tied down to certain points of perception. I have concluded that by understanding that this programming is not of my choosing at all, it is much easier to drop it from my inventory. You see my whole standpoint on cultural programming was (unconsciously) based on the fact that I had been given a chance to agree to these things, so I was defending what I thought to be my "self", but in fact I was never given a choice. I am going to try and make a new set of choices based on what I like, and on what I enjoy. I think that I can sense the matrix, but one red pill is not going to do it. I need a new red pill for every second of awareness that I experience...I have to give myself a constant stream of them...to be aware every second of every day.


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5922615 - 08/01/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds about true. Personal history.

so I was defending what I thought to be my "self",

"Wake up! You can't remember who it was. Had this dream stopped"

"I tell you this. No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn."

and my new favorite.

"There is always more to everything".


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Icelander]
    #5922628 - 08/01/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well how about:

"Reaching your head with the cold, sudden fury of a divine messenger.
Let me tell you about heartache and the loss of god,
Wandering, wandering in hopeless night.
Out here in the perimeter there are no stars,
Out here we is stoned
Immaculate."


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5922638 - 08/01/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, that too.

It's true enough for me that becoming aware of programs in the bio-computer is worthwhile. Most do not serve the self.


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Icelander]
    #5922648 - 08/01/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I know this should have been obvious to me, BUT I was defending something that I thought that I had taken responsibility for....but this is just garbage someone else thought of. Maybe some of it makes sense, but why should it apply to me? I want to identify my own desires and write my own programs.


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5922701 - 08/01/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

this sounds great.


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5922775 - 08/01/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Well, I know this should have been obvious to me, BUT I was defending something that I thought that I had taken responsibility for....but this is just garbage someone else thought of. Maybe some of it makes sense, but why should it apply to me? I want to identify my own desires and write my own programs.




Doing this IMO entails looking into our most intimate relationships. This means our parents first and for most. They are the initial programmers and had the most influence on programming culture and their personal programs (fears mostly). These are usually the hardest to come to terms with as we "need" to defend our blood relationships or all is lost. Often when we see the problems ourselves and our siblings developed in life we think that it just happened or it's some genetic thing when IMO, in reality it's those primary programs from mater and pater that are at the root of all the misery. There are powerful ways we tend to forget or block this awareness from our conscious awareness and blindly defend our "worst enemies" and paint a benign face on the brutality inflicted on our innocence and freedom.

This cannot be done as a condemnation as that keeps one inside the cultural trap. It has to be done as a complete acknowledgement of what has actually transpired and brought into full awareness.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Icelander]
    #5922841 - 08/01/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with much of this, but this hits close to home (self image of course) because parent is a role I have and am playing ...and I have definitely and unwittingly...instilled many of these same programs that I was conditioned with myself in my kids. I do think that to see parents as the "worst enemy" is backward. The system that programmed them is the enemy. I believe in evaluating relationships based on their worth...not rendering blanket judgments. My children must take responsibility for their own awakening, not blame me for impeding them when I was asleep myself. There is no doubt that our parents are the primary socializers, but rendering moral judgements against them is just as impeding as accepting the programming. Except for this small caveat I accept what you have said. I may be reading your wording wrong, but "worst enemy" speaks of resentment and negative emotion. Once again...freedom is being defined as not being controlled by these programs either in the positive or the negative.


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5922859 - 08/01/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

As in "first enemy of a man of knowledge" That was not resentment, that was plainly put. Their fear based programming whether original or not was an enemy of our wholeness. I knew that phrasing would trigger some defence and was my coyote nature at work. :tongue2:


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Icelander]
    #5922888 - 08/01/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

or was it your personal history wearing the coyote skin...


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5922895 - 08/01/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

nope


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Icelander]
    #5923000 - 08/01/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

My personal history stalks me nearly as much as I stalk it...I know the same to be true of you. That is why I asked.


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5926491 - 08/02/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Kick each others asses! :evil:

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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5926497 - 08/02/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That's what friends are for. :grin: :heart:


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Icelander]
    #5926510 - 08/02/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I am going to go do some cleaning. :wink:

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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5926528 - 08/02/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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My personal history stalks me nearly as much as I stalk it...I know the same to be true of you. That is why I asked.




This reminds me of a line from a movie (guess). "We may be done with the past, but the past isn't done with us".

I have had resentment toward the actions of my parents. It was most likely a necessary thing for a time. I was carrying an a lode of sadness and anger. In the end though I needed to do exactly what I discribed. I don't know if forgiveness is the right word. Maybe acceptance is more correct. I accept that my parents did the best they could for me. I also accept that their best wasn't any good. In the end I wished them well on their journey and I let go of them as much as I am able.


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5926533 - 08/02/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I am going to go do some cleaning. :wink:

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I notice that you do a lot of cleaning. I think that is a good trait.  :thumbup:


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Icelander]
    #5926556 - 08/02/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I notice that you do a lot of cleaning. I think that is a good trait.  :thumbup:




If your range of data was more encompassing, you would see that it couldn't be further from the truth. :lol: I'd take pictures but that would be too embarassing.

Posting here either keeps me from doing basic cleaning or inspires me to do so. :smirk:

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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5926569 - 08/02/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well I still love you. :heart:


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Icelander]
    #5926749 - 08/02/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Well I still love you. :heart:




Encouraging me, eh? :grin:

I just cleaned my computer room, so that is a start. I might as well bring meaningful purpose into the room that I spend the most time. :rolleyes:

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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5926766 - 08/02/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Unconditional love means never having to say you cleaned the computer room.  :heart:


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    #5926799 - 08/02/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah but it is something that is nice to know. :lol:

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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Icelander]
    #5927626 - 08/03/06 01:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't know if forgiveness is the right word. Maybe acceptance is more correct. I accept that my parents did the best they could for me. I also accept that their best wasn't any good. In the end I wished them well on their journey and I let go of them as much as I am able.




i went through the same stage with my parents. for the longest time i resented them for how they raised me. but then i started thinking not just about their relationship with me, i started thinking back to the other relationships they had in their lives...before me. how their parents raised them, previous marriages, stressful times in their life...etc...

i realized that from my perspective it seemed like they did a lousy job, but from their perspective they were doing the only job they knew how to. as it had been programmed into them from the accumulation of their life experiences.

and then i started thinking...well what if they would have done it differently, would i still be the same person i am today? if everything would have been perfect between us, would i still have made the same choices? even though at the time in my short sightedness it wasn't very pleasant, looking back i'm glad it all happened because i'm glad with what it made me into.


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5928087 - 08/03/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I am going to go do some cleaning.






I've been thinking I need a cleaning lady.  Preferably good looking and speaks both Spanish and English.  I will call her Juanita.  She will be a fierce warrior cleaning lady devoid of personal history and who won't want to speak too much English to discuss mine.  She will be of legal age and good looking.  And, she will also cook, garden, do laundry and various other tasks.  She will love to travel, have fun and be easy to be around.  Also, she will like to have sex on a regular basis.  And here's the tough part - she will not have any kids yet!

Yes.  This is my quest.  I am wondering if match.com or one of those soul mate type web sites will help, or if I should just start driving to Mexico... :cool:


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5928992 - 08/03/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Simply pay her enough.


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5929115 - 08/03/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I am not sure I can find such a cleaning lady, let alone "simply pay her enough."

For all the talk of illegal aliens working cheaply, the reality at least where I live is that they consider $ 10 an hour to be an insult. The cleaning lady that is licensed wants $ 17 an hour. So I am not sure what enough would be for Juanita.


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5929593 - 08/03/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I've been thinking I need a cleaning lady.

A man needs a maid. :mushroom2:


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Icelander]
    #5929852 - 08/03/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I can see why you feel that your parent's best was not enough, but even though I have experienced bitterness against my parents at one time, I eventually saw that what my parents gave me was enough. It was enough to send me searching for the means to awaken myself from the dream that comprises our consensual reality. As you have told me countless times...they gave me exactly what I needed at that time. I grew up discontented and disenfranchised which is what set me out searching for a path with heart. Did I see my parents relationship as being so negative that I should discontinue my association with them? No. Ultimately I had everything that I needed and they do (in the end) accept me for what I am and what I choose to do with my life. I owe them nothing, but they demand nothing....not even my presence, but I do have affection for them and it pleases me to see them and interact with them on occasion. They are quite self sufficient and give to me much more than they have ever taken. Had I suffered serious emotional or physical abuse at their hands I would feel differently, but I did not. In hindsight I realized that most of the suffering that I experienced was based in a distorted self image that was formed in rebellion to their program. I am no longer a rebel, and nor am I a conformist either. I strive to be unconcerned with "the dream" as much as possible except where it suits me in order to acheive my goals. I also take solace in the fact that whatever I have given my children that it was exactly what they needed. When they leave my house it is with complete freedom...freedom to walk away forever, or the freedom to stop in and say hello every now and again...as it suits them.


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Re: Our Cultural Programming [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5932302 - 08/04/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

In the sense you are speaking, yes we all get just what we need. I'm not looking at it in that sense here. I'm looking into the relationship itself and seeing it for what it is. Jesus once said something about leaving parents behind if one wants a certain type of path. I don't think he was speaking of parents in particular but of a situation. It's up to each of us what kind of path we will take and how much challenge we are willing to undertake to pursue that path to it's farthest reaches. Attachments are subtle and at times almost invisible to the conscious awareness. That's exactly why we often feel like we were asleep in some past situation, when at the time we felt we understood everything. The idea is to look at the situation and base your actions on your present and real needs. That's the challenge.


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With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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