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Call from the World Trade Center
    #5922370 - 08/01/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Phred]
    #5922383 - 08/01/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5922448 - 08/01/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Huh. Worked for me.

But I re-pasted it anyway. Try it again now.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Phred]
    #5924330 - 08/02/06 03:10 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

why did you post that?


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Vvellum]
    #5924454 - 08/02/06 05:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Its sick seeing some of the comments under the video from "christians" saying that all muslims should die etc.

Crazy brainwashed maniacs !


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Vvellum]
    #5924564 - 08/02/06 06:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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bi0 said:
why did you post that?






Maybe to remind and enlighten, the limp wristed "why is there war?" people that frequent this forum.

I will never forget seeing those brave fireman run into those burning buildings, just before it collapsed. (on T.V.)



I will never forget the feeling in my stomach, when I first opened up in Afghanistan........


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Phred]
    #5924589 - 08/02/06 06:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

still very fucked up after all these years.

is this directed at the Loose Change people or someone else?


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5925057 - 08/02/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well, if that's the case, I dont need a reminder of what happened that day - I saw the buildings collapse with my own eyes. I knew of 3 people who died. I spent the entire day frantically attempting to get ahold my parents who were flying on a commerical airliner at the time of the attacks and we could not reach them. We did not know if my parents were dead or alive. I saw Ground Zero in October of 2001. The memory is still vivid in my mind and I dont need phred's help.

We are at war in Iraq because certain individuals exploited our memories of that day for their own causes.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Vvellum]
    #5925167 - 08/02/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

bi0 said:

We are at war in Iraq because certain individuals exploited our memories of that day for their own causes.




Then you should have no problem finding a link showing that.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5925180 - 08/02/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

bi0 said:

We are at war in Iraq because certain individuals exploited our memories of that day for their own causes.




Then you should have no problem finding a link showing that.




thats honestly not that neccessary


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5925374 - 08/02/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Neither is it possible.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5925510 - 08/02/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It's not like it's something they'd admit to.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5925564 - 08/02/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

There is a either a public record of "certain individuals" doing so or there is not.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5925574 - 08/02/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You think the govt would make a public record proving they lied? You are naive for being as old and wise as you always try to remind us.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5925627 - 08/02/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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RosettaStoned said:
You think the govt would make a public record proving they lied? You are naive for being as old and wise as you always try to remind us.




This is becoming insane. How could:
"certain individuals exploit(ed) our memories of that day for their own causes."
without appealing, PUBLICLY, to our memories of that day? Was it a secret Rovian whisper campaign? Like I said elsewhere, as long as it's whacky, you'll buy into it.

So where's the fucking quote kiddies? (PS; Phred knows where it is)


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5925680 - 08/02/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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without appealing, PUBLICLY, to our memories of that day




Are you suggesting the bush admin did not refer to 9/11 during his pre-war iraq speeches?


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5925714 - 08/02/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Nope


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5925721 - 08/02/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Bush bought up the memories of 911 then said 'we gotta get Iraq' many many many times.
Rumsfeld(I think it was him) said that Iraq was the heart of the base for 911 .

Quite how you could not see these kinds of examples - of which there are many hundreds - I dont know


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Mirth]
    #5925729 - 08/02/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, so you want to give us some links rather than memories pulled out of your brain?


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Redstorm]
    #5925733 - 08/02/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

His brain is not where I suspect these memories were pulled from.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5925818 - 08/02/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I dont think anyone on this forum thinks that the towers never fell, or innocent lives were not lost. Thinking outside what the mainstream media tells you should not be a crime. There are firefighters who lost friends who speak out against the government on that day. There are victims families who think there was a hidden agenda before, or after the attack.

Just because the blame game is being played, doesnt mean anyone does not remember, or respect those who lost their lives.

Maybe I am getting the wrong picture, but that is a very sad video, and its kinda silly to try and prove a point by making others feel bad about something out of their control.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: tak]
    #5925847 - 08/02/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I bet there are more than a few people here who agree with Ward Churchill that they were all a bunch of little Eichmanns. But that is neither here nor there. Why is this reply to me?


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Redstorm]
    #5926086 - 08/02/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

LOL, like a hyperlink to a web page is proof of anything. People have opinions, not everyones opinion has been submitted to an 'official' webpage that Zappa has approved of.

Why can't people think USA is in Iraq because of lies? they have a right to have an opinion. And its not like there are only a few people with that opinion. Just because there isn't a webpage that shows the Bush administration conspiring to exploit 9/11 doesn't mean it didn't happen. It doesn't mean it did happen though either.

There are to many pretend 'experts' on this forum.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: J4S0N]
    #5926114 - 08/02/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

its truely sad that people who think they are not ignorant are more-so then the ones they call ignorant to the truth people lie and so doese one to ones self. so i cannot hate you all but i can call ya'll ignant mo fawks


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: tak]
    #5926125 - 08/02/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think it's fairly obvious that the Iraq invasion wouldn't have the political capital it had were it not for 9-11.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: nub]
    #5926143 - 08/02/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

....either positioned to attempt an escape or catastrophe and fooled by their leader who was in fact their beleived arch enemy or numerous other possibilities. bush, oil company owners, us government, skull cross bones fags downed the twin towers not exactly not executed by terrorists maybe but controlled by our own controllers that needed the people to do their dirty deeds of wanting to start a war for false reasons to be beleived by the public. this that the worlds ending anyways but ignants is ignants unless its figments of marijuana in yo brain.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: J4S0N]
    #5926244 - 08/02/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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LOL, like a hyperlink to a web page is proof of anything. People have opinions, not everyones opinion has been submitted to an 'official' webpage that Zappa has approved of.

Why can't people think USA is in Iraq because of lies? they have a right to have an opinion. And its not like there are only a few people with that opinion. Just because there isn't a webpage that shows the Bush administration conspiring to exploit 9/11 doesn't mean it didn't happen. It doesn't mean it did happen though either.

There are to many pretend 'experts' on this forum.




If you are going to step up to the plate in this forum and expect to be respected, it takes more than statting your opinions. Opinions don't hold water unless there is some backing to them.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Basilides]
    #5926254 - 08/02/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I think it's fairly obvious that the Iraq invasion wouldn't have the political capital it had were it not for 9-11.




I fully agree that the attacks of 9/11 contributed heavily to the American people's awakening to the fact that there is a whole bunch of assholes who wish to do us harm. And that, absent proactive action, they will be able to. And that Saddam was quite willing to assist them. Anybody who has not come to that conclusion, independent of any government pronouncement is almost too stupid to breathe. However, this does not constitute "playing on our fears". Nor is there any example to be found of anyone of any authority tieing Iraq to 9/11.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: J4S0N]
    #5926264 - 08/02/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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J4S0N said:
LOL, like a hyperlink to a web page is proof of anything. People have opinions, not everyones opinion has been submitted to an 'official' webpage that Zappa has approved of.

Why can't people think USA is in Iraq because of lies? they have a right to have an opinion. And its not like there are only a few people with that opinion. Just because there isn't a webpage that shows the Bush administration conspiring to exploit 9/11 doesn't mean it didn't happen. It doesn't mean it did happen though either.

There are to many pretend 'experts' on this forum.




You have a right to an opinion. I have no obligation to either respect it or let it go unchallenged. In fact, I feel my obligations run rather counter to letting people spread disinformation throughout the site. I see myself as a teacher. Who touches people. But in a good way, not like you're thinking, you pervert.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5926296 - 08/02/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Is there any evidence at all that Saddam was planning on funding terrorists to attack the United States? So far the top two excuses back then were that he had WMD, when that didn't pan, it was because he was a brutal dictator. The later doesn't even have anything to do with the War on Terror. Before the Iraq invasion there were barely any terrorists in Iraq. Now there's two dozen groups with very long cheesy names.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Basilides]
    #5926302 - 08/02/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I thought he was funding Palestinian terrorists? Of course, these groups wouldn't be attacking the US; more likely US Jr.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Basilides]
    #5926360 - 08/02/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Is there any evidence at all that Saddam was planning on funding terrorists to attack the United States? So far the top two excuses back then were that he had WMD, when that didn't pan, it was because he was a brutal dictator. The later doesn't even have anything to do with the War on Terror. Before the Iraq invasion there were barely any terrorists in Iraq. Now there's two dozen groups with very long cheesy names.




This is going to take some time to gather everything and I don't know if I'm up for it tonight. I wish you had asked for this earlier. His efforts to offer OBL safe haven are fairly well documented and if you're interested this site http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/ has regularly reported on the blogosphere document translation efforts, although he doesn't specifically archive them

I'm going to ignore your use of the word "excuses". I call then reasons. And there were several. To me, the biggest one was that he was in noncompliance with the terms of his surrender and had been for a decade+. I don't know about all the whackjob names. Mostly they have two. Iran and Baathist. That's it in a nutshell. They just like to kill and let the press blame Amerikkka.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5926853 - 08/02/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm going to ignore your use of the word "excuses".




Acknowledging that someone used the word "excuses" isn't exactly ignoring that usage. :lol:

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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5926876 - 08/02/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

How many terrorists attacks have been on US soil since our military engagements overseas?

None.Is this a coincidence?


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5926892 - 08/02/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So if I hold high in my hands a rock that I proclaim protects me from tigers, and I do not get attacked by a tiger, then is this just a coincidence? :lol:

Of course not, there is very low risk of me being attacked by a tiger, given the circumstances of both myself and tigers (i.e. there are not any here :smirk:).

We had like, what, one attack that killed 3000 people? And we are now engaged in two wars, potentially more? If only we reacted in such a manner to disease, which is multiple times over a greater threat to human, and American, life. :rolleyes:

Our wars are either crusades, ploy for strategic location, or both. If we wanted to prevent terrorism, we would have simply employed more control over immigration and access to terrorist oppurtunities (like being able to get into the cockpit of an airplane).

You have to wonder why the most practical responses are never implemented...... :frown:

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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5926947 - 08/02/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

How many attempts have been made? 1? 10? 100?

None of us can say for sure.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5927029 - 08/02/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Comparing the communicability of human disease to war or terrorism is total nonsense.......and by the way, you don't think we have taken huge steps to eradicate disease? How many billions of dollars are spent on the above?


And if you think that limiting a populaces freedom from being able to fly airplanes, would somehow have stopped a terrorist attack is even more idiotic.

Should we next limit peoples freedom to operate yachts or F-450 pickups?????, after all, these are all mechanisms that can be used for purposes similar to the 9/11 attacks!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5927090 - 08/02/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Damn, those last words were pretty chilling. "Oh God, AHHHHHHH!" 2 seconds from the imminent knowledge of his death to its completion. I don't know what else to say.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5927114 - 08/02/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The best way to stop a homegrown terrorist organization is to put a system of distrust and paranoid in their, similar to the way cointelpro was used in the 60's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5927216 - 08/02/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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How many terrorists attacks have been on US soil since our military engagements overseas?



At least three that come to mind, 9/11 being the most recent. We had plenty of military engagements overseas before 9/11. In fact, taking Bin Laden at his word, it was our interference abroad that inspired 9/11.

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Is this a coincidence?



Terrorist plots are stopped all the time. I think the real question you have to ask yourself is: Why did we fail to stop such a massive terrorist plot as 9/11, when much smaller-scale plots are foiled all the time?


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Silversoul]
    #5927353 - 08/02/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Silversoul, let me restate:

How many terrorists attacks on US soil, since our military operations after 9/11?

Answer: None


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5927420 - 08/02/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yes, thank you law enforcement.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Vvellum]
    #5927434 - 08/02/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I am not sure what you are getting at.......you think law enforcement is the sole deterring factor, of bungled terrorist attacks?


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5927439 - 08/02/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Law enforcement is certainly the greatest tool in stopping terrorist attacks. They are around their local communities everyday, and are usually the first to know if something odd is going on.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Redstorm]
    #5927450 - 08/02/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

And yet several states within our Union, wont let cops report illegal immigrates to the INS?

What about racial profiling? They get dragged over the coals all of the time.

Cops do play a role......however, in my opinion nothing says "fuck you" more to potential terrorists, then to have a military force ready in their backyards........


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5927472 - 08/03/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm of the persuasion that having a military force in their backyard creates an "Us vs. Them" type environment which just breeds more terrorists.

I'm all about empowering and training LEO's to be able to deal with terrorism within their respective jurisdiction. They are much more effective and do not have to deal with nearly the same amount of bureacratic nonsense that the NSA and FBI have to. I'm biased, though. One of my good friends is one of the administrators of SLATT (State and Local Anti-Terrorism Traning) and he has made it clear to me that he believes that the best way to deter terrorism is with community awareness. This guy is no schmuck, either. He was in Pakistant searching for Bin Laden earlier this winter.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Redstorm]
    #5927535 - 08/03/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Whether we train our local authorities more, or have a military force present, terrorists will be breed regardless.

This is not because of our precautions, but because of the dicked up ideology that certain sects of the Middle East prescribe to.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Phred]
    #5927566 - 08/03/06 12:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

As the saying goes-- some people push back.

"As they should.

As they must.

And as they undoubtedly will.

There is justice in such symmetry."


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5927747 - 08/03/06 03:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Why is this reply to me?




because you had the last post before i replied ;]

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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #5928158 - 08/03/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ah yes, Ward Churchill, the brilliant academic fraud.

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I'm of the persuasion that having a military force in their backyard creates an "Us vs. Them" type environment which just breeds more terrorists.




Al Q has stated that the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia was the motivation to attack the US. But the US troops are there at the behest of the SA government and OBL has been a wanted Saudi criminal for quite some time. Just what makes it his backyard? Nothing, except his psychopathic desire to rule the world with his particular brand of religious psychosis. And then we have the cowardice of the general Arab population, willing to fall to their knees to the most vicious thug on the block.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5928180 - 08/03/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The last time I checked, there weren't legitimate democracies in the Middle East asking their citizens whether they wanted us there. Sure, SA's gov't wanted us there, but do you actually think that is a representation of the views of their citizens?


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Redstorm]
    #5928468 - 08/03/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Do you think OBL should get to impose his policy? HE certainly wasn't elected to anything. Given their druthers I think the SAs would go with the sheiks they have. Which is neither here nor there. The government is the government. Until the people, not OBL, makes a change that is what it is. You cannot possibly placate EVERY fucking whackjob, number one, it's just impossible, and number two you shouldn't placate ANY whack jobs on the basis of their ability to commit murder and mayhem, that is cowardice.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5928489 - 08/03/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Is a wackjob not in the eye of the beholder? I would guess that the British saw Washington as a whackjob in the 1700's. Regarding the troops in SA; I think OBL simply used it as an excuse, nothing more. Had there been no troops, then another excuse would have been found. OBL's power comes from being the underdog, thus he must maintain a conflict with an oppressor to keep control over his followers.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Seuss]
    #5928556 - 08/03/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You can think that but there is not a shred of evidence to suppport it.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Seuss]
    #5928571 - 08/03/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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OBL's power comes from being the underdog




Beng an ex-cia agent doesn't hurt either.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5928582 - 08/03/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Beng an ex-cia agent doesn't hurt either.




Yeah, just like Chuck Barris


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5928588 - 08/03/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:  :handth:


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Basilides]
    #5934999 - 08/05/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Is there any evidence at all that Saddam was planning on funding terrorists to attack the United States? So far the top two excuses back then were that he had WMD, when that didn't pan, it was because he was a brutal dictator. The later doesn't even have anything to do with the War on Terror. Before the Iraq invasion there were barely any terrorists in Iraq. Now there's two dozen groups with very long cheesy names.





Read this http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200410%5CNAT20041011a.html


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5935147 - 08/05/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Comparing the communicability of human disease to war or terrorism is total nonsense.......




Yes, it is nonsense, because everyone knows that human disease actually poses a threat to our country and our society, whereas terrorism in our country is so isolated and sporadic that its death toll is amazingly, considerably less than the amount of deaths from prescription drugs.

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Properly researched, regulated, prescribed and properly used drugs are the fourth most common cause of death. (Source, Journal of the American Medical Association - Range 90,000 to 160,000 deaths per year.)




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and by the way, you don't think we have taken huge steps to eradicate disease? How many billions of dollars are spent on the above?




Regardless of how much money we invest in curing human disease, it is still much more of a tangible threat to American life than terrorism is. In fact, simple lifestyle choices are much more of a threat to American life than terrorism is. :smirk:

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And if you think that limiting a populaces freedom from being able to fly airplanes, would somehow have stopped a terrorist attack is even more idiotic.




No, you are right, we are right in not having established measures that would have denied those terrorists access to the cockpit of an airplane. :rolleyes:

It as simple as taking a practical, analytical approach to preventing concerns from arising "Well, if someone wanted to hiijack an airplane that is in flight, that would pose a threat to the lives of individuals on the airplane and on the ground, so perhaps if we were to secure the cockpit more....".

Now, let me ask you, how is what I have implied equating into "limiting the freedom of Americans to fly an aircraft"? You are right, such would be unthinkable, we might as well go into other countries and kill people, that will stop terrorism. :lol:

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Should we next limit peoples freedom to operate yachts or F-450 pickups?????, after all, these are all mechanisms that can be used for purposes similar to the 9/11 attacks!!!!!!!!!!!!




I am not a proponent of limiting America's freedom, especially as a response to potential terrorist attacks - as, quite simply, terrorism is not a credible concern for ourselves to react to. Our country is rather stable in that regard, and terrorist acts are far and few between. Tragic nonetheless, but incredibly less of a threat to us than automobile accidents.

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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Phred]
    #5935294 - 08/05/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"apparatuses" NY 911 Dispatchers at their finest.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Redstorm]
    #5935304 - 08/05/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Law enforcement is certainly the greatest tool in stopping terrorist attacks. They are around their local communities everyday, and are usually the first to know if something odd is going on.




Odd? As in "Gosh, that there plane isn't supposed to crash into the building, is it?" Would they scramble their bicycle police to intercept the other planes?

The military should be destroying these vermin where they train and live in the Middle East.


Of, of course my IDEAL solution, we'd kick the Zionists out of America, give them their precious Israel, stop giving them foreign aide and let them deal with their own goddamned problems.


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    #5935317 - 08/05/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't want law enforcement officers at home to be walking around with M4's dressed like ninjas, name tapes blacked out wearing face masks to be the "face" of homeland security. It's obvious what the problems are, training and funding in the Middle East and a gigantic gaping open border with the third world. Put our military troops on the border while using small units to mop up terrorism in the Middle East.

By terrorism, of course, I mean terrorists who are planning to attack America, not some unnamed "ally" in the Middle East that we were given a mandate to protect.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Seuss]
    #5935326 - 08/05/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It's funny that some of the people who are the most outspoken against my "racism" will make blanket statements about Arabs. I really don't think that OBL just had a gigantic hard-on for the USA. I think that if we hadn't put our troops on their holy freaking sandbox and if we didn't support Israel, OBL wouldn't give two juicy shits about us. Most "Arabs" don't have the genetic marker that makes them hate the US. When you take a side in centuries old tribal warfare, one side is going to freaking DESPISE you for your actions. If we bow out of this fight, take our troops off of their land and stop supporting Israel, I think that they'd lighten up on us.


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