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OfflineSirTripAlot
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Silversoul]
    #5927353 - 08/02/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Silversoul, let me restate:

How many terrorists attacks on US soil, since our military operations after 9/11?

Answer: None


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5927420 - 08/02/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yes, thank you law enforcement.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Vvellum]
    #5927434 - 08/02/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I am not sure what you are getting at.......you think law enforcement is the sole deterring factor, of bungled terrorist attacks?


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5927439 - 08/02/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Law enforcement is certainly the greatest tool in stopping terrorist attacks. They are around their local communities everyday, and are usually the first to know if something odd is going on.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Redstorm]
    #5927450 - 08/02/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

And yet several states within our Union, wont let cops report illegal immigrates to the INS?

What about racial profiling? They get dragged over the coals all of the time.

Cops do play a role......however, in my opinion nothing says "fuck you" more to potential terrorists, then to have a military force ready in their backyards........


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5927472 - 08/03/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm of the persuasion that having a military force in their backyard creates an "Us vs. Them" type environment which just breeds more terrorists.

I'm all about empowering and training LEO's to be able to deal with terrorism within their respective jurisdiction. They are much more effective and do not have to deal with nearly the same amount of bureacratic nonsense that the NSA and FBI have to. I'm biased, though. One of my good friends is one of the administrators of SLATT (State and Local Anti-Terrorism Traning) and he has made it clear to me that he believes that the best way to deter terrorism is with community awareness. This guy is no schmuck, either. He was in Pakistant searching for Bin Laden earlier this winter.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Redstorm]
    #5927535 - 08/03/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Whether we train our local authorities more, or have a military force present, terrorists will be breed regardless.

This is not because of our precautions, but because of the dicked up ideology that certain sects of the Middle East prescribe to.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Phred]
    #5927566 - 08/03/06 12:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

As the saying goes-- some people push back.

"As they should.

As they must.

And as they undoubtedly will.

There is justice in such symmetry."


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Edited by FrenchSocialist (08/03/06 12:53 AM)


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5927747 - 08/03/06 03:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Why is this reply to me?




because you had the last post before i replied ;]

Easiest button for me to find.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #5928158 - 08/03/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ah yes, Ward Churchill, the brilliant academic fraud.

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Redstorm said

I'm of the persuasion that having a military force in their backyard creates an "Us vs. Them" type environment which just breeds more terrorists.




Al Q has stated that the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia was the motivation to attack the US. But the US troops are there at the behest of the SA government and OBL has been a wanted Saudi criminal for quite some time. Just what makes it his backyard? Nothing, except his psychopathic desire to rule the world with his particular brand of religious psychosis. And then we have the cowardice of the general Arab population, willing to fall to their knees to the most vicious thug on the block.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5928180 - 08/03/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The last time I checked, there weren't legitimate democracies in the Middle East asking their citizens whether they wanted us there. Sure, SA's gov't wanted us there, but do you actually think that is a representation of the views of their citizens?


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Redstorm]
    #5928468 - 08/03/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Do you think OBL should get to impose his policy? HE certainly wasn't elected to anything. Given their druthers I think the SAs would go with the sheiks they have. Which is neither here nor there. The government is the government. Until the people, not OBL, makes a change that is what it is. You cannot possibly placate EVERY fucking whackjob, number one, it's just impossible, and number two you shouldn't placate ANY whack jobs on the basis of their ability to commit murder and mayhem, that is cowardice.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5928489 - 08/03/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Is a wackjob not in the eye of the beholder? I would guess that the British saw Washington as a whackjob in the 1700's. Regarding the troops in SA; I think OBL simply used it as an excuse, nothing more. Had there been no troops, then another excuse would have been found. OBL's power comes from being the underdog, thus he must maintain a conflict with an oppressor to keep control over his followers.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Seuss]
    #5928556 - 08/03/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You can think that but there is not a shred of evidence to suppport it.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Seuss]
    #5928571 - 08/03/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

OBL's power comes from being the underdog




Beng an ex-cia agent doesn't hurt either.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5928582 - 08/03/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Beng an ex-cia agent doesn't hurt either.




Yeah, just like Chuck Barris


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5928588 - 08/03/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:  :handth:


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Basilides]
    #5934999 - 08/05/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Is there any evidence at all that Saddam was planning on funding terrorists to attack the United States? So far the top two excuses back then were that he had WMD, when that didn't pan, it was because he was a brutal dictator. The later doesn't even have anything to do with the War on Terror. Before the Iraq invasion there were barely any terrorists in Iraq. Now there's two dozen groups with very long cheesy names.





Read this http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200410%5CNAT20041011a.html


There's links to English translations in pdf format.


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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5935147 - 08/05/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Comparing the communicability of human disease to war or terrorism is total nonsense.......




Yes, it is nonsense, because everyone knows that human disease actually poses a threat to our country and our society, whereas terrorism in our country is so isolated and sporadic that its death toll is amazingly, considerably less than the amount of deaths from prescription drugs.

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Properly researched, regulated, prescribed and properly used drugs are the fourth most common cause of death. (Source, Journal of the American Medical Association - Range 90,000 to 160,000 deaths per year.)




:lol:

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and by the way, you don't think we have taken huge steps to eradicate disease? How many billions of dollars are spent on the above?




Regardless of how much money we invest in curing human disease, it is still much more of a tangible threat to American life than terrorism is. In fact, simple lifestyle choices are much more of a threat to American life than terrorism is. :smirk:

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And if you think that limiting a populaces freedom from being able to fly airplanes, would somehow have stopped a terrorist attack is even more idiotic.




No, you are right, we are right in not having established measures that would have denied those terrorists access to the cockpit of an airplane. :rolleyes:

It as simple as taking a practical, analytical approach to preventing concerns from arising "Well, if someone wanted to hiijack an airplane that is in flight, that would pose a threat to the lives of individuals on the airplane and on the ground, so perhaps if we were to secure the cockpit more....".

Now, let me ask you, how is what I have implied equating into "limiting the freedom of Americans to fly an aircraft"? You are right, such would be unthinkable, we might as well go into other countries and kill people, that will stop terrorism. :lol:

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Should we next limit peoples freedom to operate yachts or F-450 pickups?????, after all, these are all mechanisms that can be used for purposes similar to the 9/11 attacks!!!!!!!!!!!!




I am not a proponent of limiting America's freedom, especially as a response to potential terrorist attacks - as, quite simply, terrorism is not a credible concern for ourselves to react to. Our country is rather stable in that regard, and terrorist acts are far and few between. Tragic nonetheless, but incredibly less of a threat to us than automobile accidents.

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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Phred]
    #5935294 - 08/05/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"apparatuses" NY 911 Dispatchers at their finest.


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