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tak
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
#5925818 - 08/02/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont think anyone on this forum thinks that the towers never fell, or innocent lives were not lost. Thinking outside what the mainstream media tells you should not be a crime. There are firefighters who lost friends who speak out against the government on that day. There are victims families who think there was a hidden agenda before, or after the attack.
Just because the blame game is being played, doesnt mean anyone does not remember, or respect those who lost their lives.
Maybe I am getting the wrong picture, but that is a very sad video, and its kinda silly to try and prove a point by making others feel bad about something out of their control.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: tak]
#5925847 - 08/02/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I bet there are more than a few people here who agree with Ward Churchill that they were all a bunch of little Eichmanns. But that is neither here nor there. Why is this reply to me?
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Redstorm]
#5926086 - 08/02/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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LOL, like a hyperlink to a web page is proof of anything. People have opinions, not everyones opinion has been submitted to an 'official' webpage that Zappa has approved of.
Why can't people think USA is in Iraq because of lies? they have a right to have an opinion. And its not like there are only a few people with that opinion. Just because there isn't a webpage that shows the Bush administration conspiring to exploit 9/11 doesn't mean it didn't happen. It doesn't mean it did happen though either.
There are to many pretend 'experts' on this forum.
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: J4S0N]
#5926114 - 08/02/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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its truely sad that people who think they are not ignorant are more-so then the ones they call ignorant to the truth people lie and so doese one to ones self. so i cannot hate you all but i can call ya'll ignant mo fawks
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: tak]
#5926125 - 08/02/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think it's fairly obvious that the Iraq invasion wouldn't have the political capital it had were it not for 9-11.
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: nub]
#5926143 - 08/02/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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....either positioned to attempt an escape or catastrophe and fooled by their leader who was in fact their beleived arch enemy or numerous other possibilities. bush, oil company owners, us government, skull cross bones fags downed the twin towers not exactly not executed by terrorists maybe but controlled by our own controllers that needed the people to do their dirty deeds of wanting to start a war for false reasons to be beleived by the public. this that the worlds ending anyways but ignants is ignants unless its figments of marijuana in yo brain.
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: J4S0N]
#5926244 - 08/02/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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J4S0N said: LOL, like a hyperlink to a web page is proof of anything. People have opinions, not everyones opinion has been submitted to an 'official' webpage that Zappa has approved of.
Why can't people think USA is in Iraq because of lies? they have a right to have an opinion. And its not like there are only a few people with that opinion. Just because there isn't a webpage that shows the Bush administration conspiring to exploit 9/11 doesn't mean it didn't happen. It doesn't mean it did happen though either.
There are to many pretend 'experts' on this forum.
If you are going to step up to the plate in this forum and expect to be respected, it takes more than statting your opinions. Opinions don't hold water unless there is some backing to them.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Basilides]
#5926254 - 08/02/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Basilides said: I think it's fairly obvious that the Iraq invasion wouldn't have the political capital it had were it not for 9-11.
I fully agree that the attacks of 9/11 contributed heavily to the American people's awakening to the fact that there is a whole bunch of assholes who wish to do us harm. And that, absent proactive action, they will be able to. And that Saddam was quite willing to assist them. Anybody who has not come to that conclusion, independent of any government pronouncement is almost too stupid to breathe. However, this does not constitute "playing on our fears". Nor is there any example to be found of anyone of any authority tieing Iraq to 9/11.
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: J4S0N]
#5926264 - 08/02/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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J4S0N said: LOL, like a hyperlink to a web page is proof of anything. People have opinions, not everyones opinion has been submitted to an 'official' webpage that Zappa has approved of.
Why can't people think USA is in Iraq because of lies? they have a right to have an opinion. And its not like there are only a few people with that opinion. Just because there isn't a webpage that shows the Bush administration conspiring to exploit 9/11 doesn't mean it didn't happen. It doesn't mean it did happen though either.
There are to many pretend 'experts' on this forum.
You have a right to an opinion. I have no obligation to either respect it or let it go unchallenged. In fact, I feel my obligations run rather counter to letting people spread disinformation throughout the site. I see myself as a teacher. Who touches people. But in a good way, not like you're thinking, you pervert.
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
#5926296 - 08/02/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is there any evidence at all that Saddam was planning on funding terrorists to attack the United States? So far the top two excuses back then were that he had WMD, when that didn't pan, it was because he was a brutal dictator. The later doesn't even have anything to do with the War on Terror. Before the Iraq invasion there were barely any terrorists in Iraq. Now there's two dozen groups with very long cheesy names.
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Basilides]
#5926302 - 08/02/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought he was funding Palestinian terrorists? Of course, these groups wouldn't be attacking the US; more likely US Jr.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: Basilides]
#5926360 - 08/02/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Basilides said: Is there any evidence at all that Saddam was planning on funding terrorists to attack the United States? So far the top two excuses back then were that he had WMD, when that didn't pan, it was because he was a brutal dictator. The later doesn't even have anything to do with the War on Terror. Before the Iraq invasion there were barely any terrorists in Iraq. Now there's two dozen groups with very long cheesy names.
This is going to take some time to gather everything and I don't know if I'm up for it tonight. I wish you had asked for this earlier. His efforts to offer OBL safe haven are fairly well documented and if you're interested this site http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/ has regularly reported on the blogosphere document translation efforts, although he doesn't specifically archive them
I'm going to ignore your use of the word "excuses". I call then reasons. And there were several. To me, the biggest one was that he was in noncompliance with the terms of his surrender and had been for a decade+. I don't know about all the whackjob names. Mostly they have two. Iran and Baathist. That's it in a nutshell. They just like to kill and let the press blame Amerikkka.
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: zappaisgod]
#5926853 - 08/02/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I'm going to ignore your use of the word "excuses".
Acknowledging that someone used the word "excuses" isn't exactly ignoring that usage. 
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: fireworks_god]
#5926876 - 08/02/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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How many terrorists attacks have been on US soil since our military engagements overseas?
None.Is this a coincidence?
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5926892 - 08/02/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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So if I hold high in my hands a rock that I proclaim protects me from tigers, and I do not get attacked by a tiger, then is this just a coincidence? 
Of course not, there is very low risk of me being attacked by a tiger, given the circumstances of both myself and tigers (i.e. there are not any here ).
We had like, what, one attack that killed 3000 people? And we are now engaged in two wars, potentially more? If only we reacted in such a manner to disease, which is multiple times over a greater threat to human, and American, life. 
Our wars are either crusades, ploy for strategic location, or both. If we wanted to prevent terrorism, we would have simply employed more control over immigration and access to terrorist oppurtunities (like being able to get into the cockpit of an airplane).
You have to wonder why the most practical responses are never implemented...... 
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5926947 - 08/02/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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How many attempts have been made? 1? 10? 100?
None of us can say for sure.
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: fireworks_god]
#5927029 - 08/02/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Comparing the communicability of human disease to war or terrorism is total nonsense.......and by the way, you don't think we have taken huge steps to eradicate disease? How many billions of dollars are spent on the above?
And if you think that limiting a populaces freedom from being able to fly airplanes, would somehow have stopped a terrorist attack is even more idiotic.
Should we next limit peoples freedom to operate yachts or F-450 pickups?????, after all, these are all mechanisms that can be used for purposes similar to the 9/11 attacks!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5927090 - 08/02/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn, those last words were pretty chilling. "Oh God, AHHHHHHH!" 2 seconds from the imminent knowledge of his death to its completion. I don't know what else to say.
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5927114 - 08/02/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The best way to stop a homegrown terrorist organization is to put a system of distrust and paranoid in their, similar to the way cointelpro was used in the 60's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
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Re: Call from the World Trade Center [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5927216 - 08/02/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: How many terrorists attacks have been on US soil since our military engagements overseas?
At least three that come to mind, 9/11 being the most recent. We had plenty of military engagements overseas before 9/11. In fact, taking Bin Laden at his word, it was our interference abroad that inspired 9/11.
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Is this a coincidence?
Terrorist plots are stopped all the time. I think the real question you have to ask yourself is: Why did we fail to stop such a massive terrorist plot as 9/11, when much smaller-scale plots are foiled all the time?
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