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InvisibleDiploidM
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Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life...
    #5922366 - 08/01/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

In real life, we have places like China where debate and critique can land one in prison at best and 'disappeared' at worst. Google searches for "Human Rights" or "Tiananmen Square" are blocked and cause the user's internet connection to go down automatically for several days.

Here, we have our own China. It's called MRP. We've even had members 'disappeared' in the past because they chime in with reason when gibberish is being discussed unopposed.


In real life, we have George Bush calling North Korea names like "Axis of Evil", while the Koreans call Bush an "Idiot" and "Human Trash".

Here, when someone's ideas are exposed as nonsense by the use of logic, common sense, or even direct factual quotations, the reply is often an ad hominem rather than an addressing of the points presented for debate.


It's depressing to come to one of the places I frequent to escape the real world only to find more of the real world. People are the same everywhere, even the ones who fancy themselves different. What do you think?


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5922409 - 08/01/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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:bitch:



Oh, I'm sorry.  Still sore about not being able to derail my thread, which was specifically targeted towards fellow mystics?  You know, sometimes people want to discuss something with a certain group of like-minded people, and don't like having the discussion derailed.

You sure have a big ego for thinking that you were introducing anything resembling logic and common sense, when all you were doing was the equivalent of yelling "white power" at an NAACP meeting.  I'm perfectly willing to discuss the issues you have with my beliefs, just not in certain threads which are addressed to other people.  Please, for the love of God, get over yourself.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5922449 - 08/01/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, I'm sorry. Still sore about not being able to derail my thread

LMAO

You guys are SOOOO predictable.  :smirk:

You sure have a big ego

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Here, when someone's ideas are exposed as nonsense by the use of logic, common sense, or even direct factual quotations, the reply is often an ad hominem




and don't like having the discussion derailed.

It's not a discussion if the scope is limited to agreement only.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5922456 - 08/01/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I couldn't agree more, but what ever gave you the idea that it would be different anywhere you go?


The Shroomery is like any business and operates just like one. If you want things different then work for yourself. I made that same mistake of course so I'm not raggin on you.

Just remember, as Veritas says. "For intertainment purposes only".


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5922470 - 08/01/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Diploid said:
Here, when someone's ideas are exposed as nonsense by the use of logic, common sense, or even direct factual quotations, the reply is often an ad hominem



The "ad hominem" in that thread was merely the factual observation that despite the fact that it was explained to you many times over, you have no idea what mysticism is, to which you responded with the usual arrogant "Aha! You mystics are so irrational, you can't discuss this with me!" attitude.

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It's not a discussion if the scope is limited to agreement only.



It is if we're discussing something within a certain framework. The Sierra Club has many heated discussions among its members at meetings, even though they all agree that they want to protect the environment.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5922478 - 08/01/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

it was explained to you many times over, you have no idea what mysticism is

I've explained to YOU many times that 100 mystics will have 100 DIFFERENT and CONTRADICTING definitions for what mysticism is.

What does that say about YOU?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5922485 - 08/01/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Diploid said:
it was explained to you many times over, you have no idea what mysticism is

I've explained to YOU many times that 100 mystics will have 100 DIFFERENT and CONTRADICTING definitions for what a mystic is.

What does that say about YOU?



It says that mysticism has a certain meaning which is not quite so easy to define, just like religion, even though it is recognized by anyone who seriously looks into it that mysticism is a particular aspect of religion, and not synonymous with religion. Of course, you ignore every definition of mysticism, and conveniently try to make it into something you can attack. If you really want help, however, it's not that hard to find:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism

In any case, what it says to me about you is that you'd rather start fights than actually learn something.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5922487 - 08/01/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It says that mysticism has a certain meaning which is not quite so easy to define

I guess this is where we disagree.

I think it says that mystics all make crap up at their whim, so naturally none of their whimsical ideas ever match up. :shrug:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5922490 - 08/01/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I think it says that mystics all make crap up at their whim, so naturally none of their whimsical ideas ever match up. :shrug:



Mystical traditions go back for millenia.  I hardly think it's possible to "make up crap at a whim" that has been around for thousands of years.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5922493 - 08/01/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Mystical traditions go back for millenia. I hardly think it's possible to "make up crap at a whim" that has been around for thousands of years.

Astrology, tea leaves, and casting of bones to foretell the future are too. So what?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5922498 - 08/01/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Mystical traditions go back for millenia. I hardly think it's possible to "make up crap at a whim" that has been around for thousands of years.

Astrology, tea leaves, and casting of bones to foretell the future do too. So what?



So, just because something is hard to define does make one guilty of "making up crap at a whim." Religion itself is hard to define, yet it is recognized as being a category of its own. Pretty much anything that has several aspects to will be hard to define.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5922513 - 08/01/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So, just because something is hard to define does make one guilty of "making up crap at a whim."

Ask yourself WHY it's hard to define.

Love is hard to define. So is art. So are many things in human experience, but they're all defined and observable by everyone. That's why they are real.

All mystics have is some weird internal experience that is as likely to be a consequence of psychology and self-deception as some real thing from 'beyond'.

Given the giant avalanche of human self-deception throughout all of history, why choose the most unlikely 'magical' explanation over the ordinary one?

I'll tell you why. Because here again we see the human predilection for kidding oneself. Magical explanations are way more exiting than mundane ones, and so many people lean that way even though there is no reason to.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5922543 - 08/01/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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All mystics have is some weird internal experience



Then we can start from the fact that that internal experience is a part of what defines mysticism, so you can stop deliberately obtusificating its definition.

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that is as likely to be a consequence of psychology and self-deception as some real thing from 'beyond'.



opinion, not fact

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Given the giant avalanche of human self-deception throughout all of history, why choose the most unlikely 'magical' explanation over the ordinary one?



It's not "magical," and I certainly don't see anything unlikely about it. Just because your experiences don't conform to mine doesn't make your opinions any more valid.

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I'll tell you why. Because here again we see the human predilection for kidding oneself. Magical explanations are way more exiting than mundane ones, and so many people lean that way even though there is no reason to.



For those who have had the experience, there is plenty of reason to.

In any case, this is beside the point. The point is not the legitimacy of mysticism, but rather the fact that you chose to go into a thread which was explicitly meant as a discussion between mystics, and decided to start shit. And now you're complaining about how this is supposedly like communist China. I can scarcely recall anyone so full of themselves.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5922552 - 08/01/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

BTW, if it's any consolation, you're perfectly welcome to respond to my points in the "World Peace" thread. That is, if you have a response.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5922601 - 08/01/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Then we can start from the fact that that internal experience is a part of what defines mysticism

In a recent thread I called suicide bombers mystics. When you took issue with that and tried to explain to me that 'real' mystics take their inspiration from internal experience, I followed up with a quote from an interview with a suicide bomber whose bomb failed to explode where he explained that his motivation comes from a direct experience of Allah.

So which is it? You can't have it both ways, and mystics' insistence that black is white and sometimes not is their biggest problem.

It's not "magical

Everything that is beyond nature is, by definition, magical. Mystical experiences are beyond nature unless you grant that they are a consequence of natural human psychology, in which case they aren't mystical are they.

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Diploid: and so many people lean that way even though there is no reason to [believe]




For those who have had the experience, there is plenty of reason to.

I've had mystical experiences. On my first few trips on psilocybin, I saw God. He was a happy, good-natured, chubby black Jamaican guy with a thick accent and a contagious guffaw. He'd do amazing magic for me, tickle me, whisper in my ear from across the room. Those were some of the best times of my life.

But when I got sober, I realized it was all psychology as there was no trace of what I'd imagined left once the drug wore off. There is no reason for me to cling onto that fantasy, pleasant though it was.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5922608 - 08/01/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

BTW, if it's any consolation, you're perfectly welcome to respond to my points in the "World Peace" thread.

Thanks, but no thanks. The Chinese military has warned me, and I take the threat seriously. :tongue:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5923344 - 08/01/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think the analogy is valid, personally. I completely understand why MRP was created, and it seems to work out for everyone. Here in P&S, if someone gets out of line when someone else directly analyzes their point, and starts flipping out and attacking the person who is simply interested in furthering the discussion, we can clearly state to them "Hey, dumbfuck, read the fucking rules, you're out of order, so get in line or get the fuck out." :lol:

Some people just want to converse with each other in ways different than you do. :shrug:

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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5923657 - 08/01/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't believe restricting the free expression of ideas is EVER a good thing to do under any circumstances. Guess I'm just American that way. :shrug:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5923667 - 08/01/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Do you believe that a private property owner has the right to restrict what goes on on their property?


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5923693 - 08/01/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Of course.

I'm not saying the admins don't have a right to do whatever they want. I just don't agree with them on this issue.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924151 - 08/02/06 01:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Diploid said:

I'm not saying the admins don't have a right to do whatever they want. I just don't agree with them on this issue.




You may not, but we do. Emmerson once said, "Men are respectable only as they respect"

You could learn a thing or two from good ol' Ralph


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5924157 - 08/02/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Uh, what?  :crazy2:

Disagreement != Disrespect.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924173 - 08/02/06 01:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

One can disagree as a gentleman, you seem to be after the victims dignity.

“Never take a person's dignity: it is worth everything to them, and nothing to you."

Look, I'm new here. I don't know anyone very well, but I'm just calling it as I see it. I've seen people disagree in a more civil manner. You have to ask yourself what the quality of your intent is.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5924182 - 08/02/06 01:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

One can disagree as a gentleman, you seem to be after the victims dignity.

That's ridiculous. I'm not that powerful.

Besides, only you can affect your own dignity. That's like blaming someone for someone else taking offense. Those are internal qualities under your control and no one else's.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924186 - 08/02/06 01:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Magical explanations are way more exiting than mundane ones, and so many people lean that way even though there is no reason to.




Excitement is one hell of a reason. Much of what I do, if not most, is a result of excitement!

“Nothing is so aggravating than calmness."

-Wilde  :crazy2:


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924199 - 08/02/06 01:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Besides, only you can affect your own dignity. That's like blaming someone for someone else taking offense. Those are internal qualities under your control and no one else's.





You can affect anyone, anyway. Don't underestimate the power of you, or me, or him  :cool:


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5924200 - 08/02/06 01:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Excitement is one hell of a reason. Much of what I do, if not most, is a result of excitement!

Yeah well lots of people used to call Ms. Cleo after her bogus commercial excited them. They got bilked of tons of money by a fraud.

So much for excited reactions rather than measured, rational ones.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5924205 - 08/02/06 01:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You can affect anyone, anyway.

I'd say they need to grow spiritually and stop giving others power over them.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924209 - 08/02/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah well lots of people used to call Ms. Cleo after her bogus commercial excited them. They got bilked of tons of money by a fraud.




When I think of the exciting experiences which have unfolded over the course of my life, the positive far outnumber the negative.
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So much for excited reactions rather than measured, rational ones.




I leave those reactions up to my toaster.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924211 - 08/02/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Uh, what?  :crazy2:

Disagreement != Disrespect.



You're right.  Disrespect is disrespect.  And in the thread in question, you were being disrespectful.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924214 - 08/02/06 01:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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You can affect anyone, anyway.

I'd say they need to grow spiritually and stop giving others power over them.




I'd say not to be afraid of the fact that we aren't in control of everything. Others do have an influence over us, whether direct or indirect.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5924242 - 08/02/06 01:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

in the thread in question, you were being disrespectful.

You are in error. Highlighting your contradictions is not disrespecting you. This has been explained to you by many S&P regulars, but you just don't get it.

Besides, disrespecting someone requires intent, and that you erroneously think you know mine is telling.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924249 - 08/02/06 01:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Any chance we could drop the ad hominems now and debate the points made in the opening post instead of debating me and my state of mind?


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5925320 - 08/02/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It is simply not allowed to question or belittle ones believe in MRP, in comparison to P&S.
It's a kind of glass house, an experiment, a bubble...
This 'bubble' was constructed as far reaching as possible and is meant to let grow and fruit each others belief.

This is a kind of 'method' ! And perhaps it will lead to something, if it is not disturbed by 'fundamental' questioning :wink:

Come on, you know that, dip. Where will you set the limits ? Physics is excluded. But what if it gets racist or glorifying fundamentalist brutal ism, anti-humanism, fascism ?
How to classify/relate that ?
I mean, I agree that there are limits to that method to stay 'fruitful' and constructive.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5925533 - 08/02/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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It's depressing to come to one of the places I frequent to escape the real world only to find more of the real world. People are the same everywhere, even the ones who fancy themselves different. What do you think?




I think if you are coming here to escape reality, and are disappointed when those here are of the real world, then you need to up the dosage.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5925789 - 08/02/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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So, just because something is hard to define does make one guilty of "making up crap at a whim."

Ask yourself WHY it's hard to define.

Love is hard to define. So is art. So are many things in human experience, but they're all defined and observable by everyone. That's why they are real.

All mystics have is some weird internal experience that is as likely to be a consequence of psychology and self-deception as some real thing from 'beyond'.

Given the giant avalanche of human self-deception throughout all of history, why choose the most unlikely 'magical' explanation over the ordinary one?

I'll tell you why. Because here again we see the human predilection for kidding oneself. Magical explanations are way more exiting than mundane ones, and so many people lean that way even though there is no reason to.




Here is where I must corroborate Silverstone's position. You remain...ridiculous.

I will pass by a discussion of "love" for reasons obvious to most here, and I will likewise bypass "art" because despite everything in my experience, I am in no wise an expert. However, when it comes to the subject of mysticism, I have much to communicate.

Once again, mysticism is NOT difficult to define and I have given you an excellent English definition by Evelyn Underhill, who remains almost 100 years later, a renowned expert. If you bother to read the definition (which I'll repeat here for the edification of potential readers), and enjoin some common sense, you will understand that "Reality" consist in much more than a singularly subjective experience, unless you are a solipsist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsist)

"Mysticism is the art of union with Reality. The mystic is a person who has attained that union in greater or lesser degree; or who aims at and believes in such attainment." Practical Mysticism, 1915, p. 3

Secondly, the 'mystical' is NOT equivalent nor phenomenologically similar to the "magickal." Even a character such as Aleister Crowley who fancied himself a mystic as well as a mage took great pains to describe the difference, although I am not citing Crowley as an authority so much as a popular influence on the collective consciousness of people who inquire about these subjects. I would refer you and anyone else who wanted to distinguish these opposite world-views to a true authority such as the late Mircea Eliade.

Mysticism was also defined by a title translated by yet another scholar, W.Y. Evans-Wentz, from an Eastern perspective, namely, The Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation: Or the Method of Realizing Nirvana Through Knowing the Mind, the preceding commentary of which was written by none other than C.G. Jung entitled 'The Difference Between Eastern and Western Thinking.' I have selected these two sources because by consulting them yourself you not only aquire an informed and highly educated description of mysticism West and East, and hopefully you would learn that psychics and tea leaves (among other phenomena misunderstood by you) do not belong to to the subject or the reality of mysticism. At this point you still don't even realize that you are embarrassing yourself by your lack of understanding and ridiculous statements.
Frankly, you simply do not know what you are talking about. First learn and know, then talk.

Lastly, dovetailing on YOUR use of the word "mundane," I offer the following passage from the General Introduction to The Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation:

"Nirvana being eternally at the basis of all existence, its attainment is dependent upon the yogic process of transmuting the mundane mind into the Supra-mundane Mind, success in which is equivalent to winning the philosopher's stone of the alchemists, or to mastering their occult teaching concerning the transmutation of base metal into gold. The process is normally threefold. Firstly, through study and research come intellectual comprehension of the Divine Wisdom. Secondly, the aspirant advances to intuitional insight. Thirdly, he stands face to face with the Nakedness."

The transmutation of base metal to gold would mean "magical" occult if one were referring to physical transmutation of matter in the outer world. Here, the philosopher's stone is a transmutation of the individual from base to Noble - the 'mystical' which 'dissolves' the distinction between inner and outer, and 'coagulates' a New Being in place of the old.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5926008 - 08/02/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You remain...ridiculous.

You claim a degree in philosophy, but just can't keep your dick in your pants when an opportunity to fling an ad hominem at me comes along.

Where did you go to school?


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5926028 - 08/02/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Diploid said:
You remain...ridiculous.

You claim a degree in philosophy, but just can't keep your dick in your pants when an opportunity to fling an ad hominem at me comes along.

Where did you go to school?




:nonono:

He illustrates several beautiful points, yet you only focus on what affects your ego. For shame man, for shame.

Can you put your self-absorption aside for a split moment and respond to the underlying themes Markos and Silversoul present you with? You only respond to whatever your arrogant paradigm allows. They are illustrating truths that transcend your obsession of self, that surpass self-addiction. Is that why you find it so hard to digest?


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5926047 - 08/02/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

When I break a rule in the mumbo jumbo forum by pointing out the obvious, I'm immediately threatened with banning. When numerous people in this one thread break the rules by calling me names, nothing happens.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5926053 - 08/02/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You REALLY must like the term "ad hominem," (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) but you seem to be applying it to the most tangential remark. How about not playing 'thin-skinned' in this regard and perhaps even acknowledge that being argumentative is more important than learning something? Why else would you persist in this ridiculous behavior of ignoring all correction and maintaining erroneous statements?

You can check my bio for your question if you really want to know.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5926066 - 08/02/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Don't mind criticism. If it is untrue, disregard it; if unfair, keep from irritation; if it is ignorant, smile; if it is justified it is not criticism, learn from it.

Please, get back on track with the topic at hand. Markos made several points that offer you enlightenment.

I'm waiting for your response.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5926069 - 08/02/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You guys accuse me of being egoic when every other post I have to steer the conversation away from me and my motivations and back to the topic. You guys are too much.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5926084 - 08/02/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm waiting for your response.

Marcos said: "Mysticism was also defined by...

proving my point that 100 different mystics will each make up 100 different definitions for what a mystic is.

And we're back where we started.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5926092 - 08/02/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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proving my point that 100 different mystics will each make up 100 different definitions for what a mystic is.

And we're back where we started.




proving my point that 100 different shroomerites will each make up 100 different definitions for what a Diploid is.

And we're back where we started.

But there is an essence to what a Diploid is. There are underlying themes that make up a Diploid.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5926118 - 08/02/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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But there is an essence to what a Diploid is. There are underlying themes that make up a Diploid.




And none of us have any manner in which to substantiate the underlying themes of Diploid. How exactly have you, or anyone else in this thread, arrived at a position from which they can propose the underlying nature of Diploid's character when the only interaction you have shared with him is through an entirely limited, written format, one which is not specifically intended to communicate personal nature?

The point - points are presented. Discuss the points. If the discussion has reached the moment in which someone has to say "We're not discussing me", then it has gone too far. Stay on-topic.

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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5926140 - 08/02/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
Quote:

RRRR said:
But there is an essence to what a Diploid is. There are underlying themes that make up a Diploid.




And none of us have any manner in which to substantiate the underlying themes of Diploid. How exactly have you, or anyone else in this thread, arrived at a position from which they can propose the underlying nature of Diploid's character when the only interaction you have shared with him is through an entirely limited, written format, one which is not specifically intended to communicate personal nature?





I couldn't agree more, which is why I refrained from making any claims of Diploids underlying nature and instead made observation of his current attitudes. That is to say, the incident of focusing on "You remain...ridiculous." when presented with:

Quote:

MarkostheGnostic said:


Here is where I must corroborate Silverstone's position. You remain...ridiculous.

I will pass by a discussion of "love" for reasons obvious to most here, and I will likewise bypass "art" because despite everything in my experience, I am in no wise an expert. However, when it comes to the subject of mysticism, I have much to communicate.

Once again, mysticism is NOT difficult to define and I have given you an excellent English definition by Evelyn Underhill, who remains almost 100 years later, a renowned expert. If you bother to read the definition (which I'll repeat here for the edification of potential readers), and enjoin some common sense, you will understand that "Reality" consist in much more than a singularly subjective experience, unless you are a solipsist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsist)

"Mysticism is the art of union with Reality. The mystic is a person who has attained that union in greater or lesser degree; or who aims at and believes in such attainment." Practical Mysticism, 1915, p. 3

Secondly, the 'mystical' is NOT equivalent nor phenomenologically similar to the "magickal." Even a character such as Aleister Crowley who fancied himself a mystic as well as a mage took great pains to describe the difference, although I am not citing Crowley as an authority so much as a popular influence on the collective consciousness of people who inquire about these subjects. I would refer you and anyone else who wanted to distinguish these opposite world-views to a true authority such as the late Mircea Eliade.

Mysticism was also defined by a title translated by yet another scholar, W.Y. Evans-Wentz, from an Eastern perspective, namely, The Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation: Or the Method of Realizing Nirvana Through Knowing the Mind, the preceding commentary of which was written by none other than C.G. Jung entitled 'The Difference Between Eastern and Western Thinking.' I have selected these two sources because by consulting them yourself you not only aquire an informed and highly educated description of mysticism West and East, and hopefully you would learn that psychics and tea leaves (among other phenomena misunderstood by you) do not belong to to the subject or the reality of mysticism. At this point you still don't even realize that you are embarrassing yourself by your lack of understanding and ridiculous statements.
Frankly, you simply do not know what you are talking about. First learn and know, then talk.

Lastly, dovetailing on YOUR use of the word "mundane," I offer the following passage from the General Introduction to The Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation:

"Nirvana being eternally at the basis of all existence, its attainment is dependent upon the yogic process of transmuting the mundane mind into the Supra-mundane Mind, success in which is equivalent to winning the philosopher's stone of the alchemists, or to mastering their occult teaching concerning the transmutation of base metal into gold. The process is normally threefold. Firstly, through study and research come intellectual comprehension of the Divine Wisdom. Secondly, the aspirant advances to intuitional insight. Thirdly, he stands face to face with the Nakedness."

The transmutation of base metal to gold would mean "magical" occult if one were referring to physical transmutation of matter in the outer world. Here, the philosopher's stone is a transmutation of the individual from base to Noble - the 'mystical' which 'dissolves' the distinction between inner and outer, and 'coagulates' a New Being in place of the old.




His attention to details is convenient, to say the least. I'd love to see as deep of an analysis as "You remain...ridiculous." for the rest of the statement at hand.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5926158 - 08/02/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't believe restricting the free expression of ideas is EVER a good thing to do under any circumstances. Guess I'm just American that way. :shrug:




I don't agree with the implication that such behavior is the American way. Free expression of ideas has its place, but there are numerous, specific situations in which it is not appropriate or beneficial to encourage the free expression of ideas.

For instance, I am not going to start debating someone during the morning meeting at work. The morning meeting has purpose and it has goals - it serves a point. We certainly are entitled, as human beings, the right to free expression, but with that comes the responsibility to properly apply it.

This forum, P&S, is most assuredly an appropriate conduit for such. There are certain limitations of course, for example, - no personal attacks, do not discuss the poster, but the ideas, no flames. Now, you have an agenda with this thread - to propose certain ideas and to openly engage in discussing these ideas with others. Now, consider how much of an interference it is when others choose to freely discuss yourself and your personal character. They are employing their free expression, but yet it is having a harmful effect on the purpose and intent of the thread and its goals.

Keep this in mind. No one is of the same understanding as others, and so it is necessary to design structures through which people can interact, to share that understanding, which is why we have the rule of no personal issues in this forum. The people who post in MRP are seeking a different result from discussion and are not receptive to your points anyways, which is why they are not here, in this forum, P&S.

Perhaps they are the ones who need the understanding one is presenting the most, but yet they are in such a state that they are not capable of receiving that understanding in the manner you are choosing to present it. Change the manner of presentation or forget about it. :shrug:

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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5926190 - 08/02/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I couldn't agree more, which is why I refrained from making any claims of Diploids underlying nature and instead made observation of his current attitudes.




Expressing observations pertaining to his current attitudes is not exactly the intent of this forum. We are here to discuss ideas, concepts, perspectives, and we have no true manner by which to form an observation of someone's attitude. This is a place in which people will not realize you are joking if you do not include the appropriate emoticon, but will overanalyze emoticon usage when emoticons are applied. Also, people tend to interpret others statements as though they are being made through the same mind and state that they themselves would have made the statement.

In other words, assessments of others personal nature and attitude tend to be more reflective of their own nature and attitude. Not to mention the fact that it is impossible to discuss such, as they cannot be consensually substantiated - which is exactly why the rules and intents of this forum speak agansit such communication.

Quote:


His attention to details is convenient, to say the least. I'd love to see as deep of an analysis as "You remain...ridiculous." for the rest of the statement at hand.




Attention to detail? Its Silversoul, not Silverstone. :tongue:

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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5926200 - 08/02/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Expressing observations pertaining to his current attitudes is not exactly the intent of this forum. We are here to discuss ideas, concepts, perspectives, and we have no true manner by which to form an observation of someone's attitude. This is a place in which people will not realize you are joking if you do not include the appropriate emoticon, but will overanalyze emoticon usage when emoticons are applied. Also, people tend to interpret others statements as though they are being made through the same mind and state that they themselves would have made the statement.




Then I apologize, as stated earlier I am new here and are far more accustomed with the real life forum of debate. Attitudes are very relevant there  :wink:

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Attention to detail? Its Silversoul, not Silverstone. :tongue:

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Heh, I just assumed it was some sort of nickname. Like I said, I'm new here :shrug:


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5926220 - 08/02/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Then I apologize, as stated earlier I am new here and are far more accustomed with the real life forum of debate. Attitudes are very relevant there  :wink:




Well, sure they are, since we interact in a manner that provides us with information that evidences attitude in "real life". What do we have here? Reading between the lines and emoticons? We don't have the subtle perceptions that come with sharing space with other human beings for thousands of years to assist us when we are sitting on our ass at home, alone, typing things.

Not only that, but attempting to discuss such nearly always results in problems that create bigger problems, and it doesn't provide anything of value, so, there you have it, let's keep this place on focus. :wink:

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Like I said, I'm new here :shrug:




Yeah, you keep saying that, which naturally makes me suspicious.  :eek:

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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5926237 - 08/02/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Something about the self seems to make me wrongly confident that I can accurately read people online.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5926291 - 08/02/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Diploid said:
You remain...ridiculous.

You claim a degree in philosophy, but just can't keep your dick in your pants when an opportunity to fling an ad hominem at me comes along.

-----------Where did you go to school?-------------




:rolleyes:


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LMAO

You guys are SOOOO predictable.  :smirk:

You sure have a big ego






:rolleyes:

I could go on . . .


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5926298 - 08/02/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sure you could, but you would only be contributing further to an off-topic, pointless dead-end. Why even reply with nothing constructive to offer?

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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5926341 - 08/02/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5926589 - 08/02/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You can affect anyone, anyway.

This is never true. It's always a choice by the "affected person"


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Icelander]
    #5926746 - 08/02/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
You can affect anyone, anyway.

This is never true. It's always a choice by the "affected person"




That one must have slipped by me, perhaps due to the fact that I skimmed through these replies in this thread. :grin:

I think this means that the internet is imitating life, and that I skim through life? :shocked:

Apparently, such was so. :nonono:

But wait, is that necessarily a negative thing?

I skim through the best life has to offer me? :lol:

Apparently I skim through sleep...

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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5926805 - 08/02/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Apparently I skim through sleep...

I drink skim milk. See? Life DOES imitate the Internet.  :wink:


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5929036 - 08/03/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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In real life, we have places like China where debate and critique can land one in prison at best and 'disappeared' at worst. Google searches for "Human Rights" or "Tiananmen Square" are blocked and cause the user's internet connection to go down automatically for several days.




And in real life, no one goes to jail for posting disagreements on a message board. A site owner or its staff may ban people from posting at it though, if they are regularly offending other members, causing a disruption or breaking the rules they agreed to before posting. They remain free in the world otherwise.

Can you please provide a more accurate analogy.

Private Country clubs "social clubs" have rules of conduct that serve the social preferences of the establishing members. Would you compare them to communist China?

MR&P is most accurately analogized by a private social club that has rules of conduct for its members. People are free to join, not join, or leave if its not to their personal liking. Nothing communistic abut MR&P. You are free to review the forum rules and join in discussions as a member if it interests you. No one forces you to post in their. People living in communist countries are not free to leave and live elsewhere that is more agreeable with them.

A shroomery member is even free to take an MR&P topic of discussion they wish to challenge and debate with others and post it in here. Because of this encouraged freedom of choice allowed for by the admins, how can they even be compared with communist china in this light? They allow for debate challenge of Mystical beliefs, just in the appropriate forum designed for it, P&S for members who prefer debate and cross challenge on the specific topic.

I am challenging your analogy because I think it is terribly skewed from "reality" as you put it, because you are free to come and go here and free to challenge and debate any Mystical topic in this forum.



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Here, we have our own China. It's called MRP. We've even had members 'disappeared' in the past because they chime in with reason when gibberish is being discussed unopposed.




Disappeared for pitting reason against gibberish?  :confused: Did you mean to say banned when they ignored the forum description and rules they agreed to before posting in it?

(solution for dealing with what reads like gibberish to you in the future- ask questions until you gain a clear understanding of content and meaning first. Jumping to false conclusions and passing mis-judgment does nothing for the learning process. One reason people wanted MR&P was for open sharing for learning from each other.

In debate style, some people just hammer in their side of an argument with the goal of impressing their position to win majority acceptance of it, not to learn learn anything new from it.

MR&P was designed for builder higher concepts of understanding from a place of higher awareness  where science currently fails to provide explanations. It is arrogant for anyone to believe that modern science, has the multi dimensional workings of the universe fully figured out. In the mean time, human beings are still free to question what may be, test, explore and discover for themselves beyond the limits of current science tech.

Could it be that wanting to see MR&P get shut down from the shroomery is the actual communistic attempt to restrain the personal freedom of others to explore the universe and think for themselves about what is not yet confirmed to non fact?

Think about it for a moment please. Whose looking to get who to stop talking in THIS post? Could it be the poster looking to silence the mystical voices in MR&P? Looks like a communistic act to me Diploid.

OR, would you like to see it remain and only change that members ONLY be able to post what you approve of and agree with? Oh wait, that's how communism works too. Hmmmmmmmmm...........


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In real life, we have George Bush calling North Korea names like "Axis of Evil", while the Koreans call Bush an "Idiot" and "Human Trash".




Not sure what that has to do with your post as you just represented two real life opposing and very judgmental parties. If you truly care to escape that sort of childish conflict in real life that only breeds hate, further misunderstanding, and contempt then all the more I would think you would like MR&Ps forum design. It is meant to be one that serves seeking greater understanding before judgment, peace over conflict and co-operation over competition.

Like Blue said, it is a test bubble model of an ideal society that can get practice learning how to get along along peacefully while respecting and holding differing views, opinions, ideas, experiences and beliefs. It's a test to see how far an understanding or idea can go, without it being quickly shot down by someone in fear, judgment or looking to force their will upon others or to argue for arguments sake because they are bored or frustrated with life.

P&S was the original still serving the old world ways of judgment and conflict. If MR&Ps design isn't to anyones personal liking, preference, understanding or comfort level, they have P&S.

I think the shroomery admins have done a great job with it's social forums catering to the broad wants, needs and comfort levels of its 100,000 plus  members. There's a place for everyone here to feel free to express themselves socially. Want to call someone a retard or to go to hell? Post in OTD or PM your sentiments. Want to tell someone that you believe their words are foolish non sense? Do it in here or PMs.

It's easy to get along freely and comfortably here. This place has an easy to navigate road to anywhere you want to go with expressing yourself, especially now that the MR&P option is here. :shrug:




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Here, when someone's ideas are exposed as nonsense by the use of logic, common sense, or even direct factual quotations, the reply is often an ad hominem rather than an addressing of the points presented for debate.




By here did you mean P&S? True, people should be prepared to defend something they post or to just walk away.

I've never seen someone throw an ad hominem back when a fact was presented as a counter argument. I;ve only seen people use them, when counter opinions or misleading and unassociated facts are presented.

Sort of like how you use to present Ms Cleo to have been charged with Psychic fraud when the charge was phone bill fraud. She was charged with fraud and did dishonestly bilk money from people. That is a fact. However, such a fact presented has ZERO, NOTHING to do with general psychic ability.

Fraud is everywhere Diploid. A friend of mine recently was stiffed by her home builder. They, never finished the work, fucked up on much they did do(on many homes),ran with the money and filed for bankruptcy. My friends have ZERO recourse under state laws. Worse, 15 liens were placed against their homes by contractors the builders stiffed with the money. They were screwed for an additional $200,000. in unfinished work, not an extra $10.00 on a phone bill. Ms Cleo was small time bilking, think the most was a few hundred, even though she did it to as larger group.

If someone can't afford to loose a few hundred or even ten dollars, they have NO business spending their money on the entertainment of psychic hot lines.

The home builders run free with the dough and that's legally supported by our Legal system. Ms Cleo was jailed and forced to pay fines by our legal system. WTF? There are much larger criminal frauds, problems with the system and fish to fry out there Diploid.

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It's depressing to come to one of the places I frequent to escape the real world only to find more of the real world. People are the same everywhere, even the ones who fancy themselves different. What do you think?




Well, I think there are niche pockets of groups and people out there that you can find that are more resonant with you and your ideals of how things should be.

Indeed, when the world at large doesn;'meet up with our ideals and expectations, it can be a continuing disappointment and let down to exist here. That can surely lead to depression.

Having many social net works in life of people that understand you and or support you when down, is vital for good mental emotional and physical health. Thats one of the vital values of MR&P. People there understand each other in areas where the average person doesn't have a clue. It can be very lonely or isolating to have experiences you can;t explain to yourself and that you feel others won;t understand or judge you for.

Maybe more then we even know of our having paranormal and mystical type experiences that can not be explained away with ration or logic or scientific investigation. They are left hanging, in the dark, alone and confused on them. It is of great comfort to find a place like MR&P and find others are having them too, to get some possible explanations, meaning, support or just to bounce possibilities and suggestions around for further consideration.

You have no idea of the isolation many up in the higher realms of consciousness can experience while incarnated in this physical density with others "not occupying the same dimension of consciousness." Don;t you hear the, don't you read them Diploid? You think it;s easy to get grounded, to get dense and forget or ignore when you just "see" and "know things" from another perspective? It's NOT. Many don't even know thats all it is and put themselves on brain numbing and dumbing down drugs.

You can bet you will be met with resistance if you try to shut down directly or indirectly an open avenue for those people to find others and for those who know some of the ropes and care to offer understanding, support, or like minded conversation in a very misunderstood area of the human experience.

If your life is lacking understanding, support, appreciation, and respect for your strong ideals about science logic, what are you doing in a Mysticism forum anyway? That could be a part of the problem. Do what others do and find more resonant forums of people who share your ideals. The shroomery has a science and tech forum and the internet is packed with other science forums as well as philosophical logic forums.

If you feel that a shroomery forum isn't working for you, it's only because you are working against it. Try to understand it and work with its function and goals or find others that are more your cup of Tea. :shrug:

I'm in the same frustrating boat with my Realtor right now. (Thats where I've been, planning a move to find a larger home in a more resonant area. I've got the leading sales group representing my home for the area and yet, I think they suck and thats frustrating. They are far from meeting my VERY high ideals of professionalism, marketing expertise, proficiency and competency and how a realty office should be run. Their competition is even worse. :tongue:

Lets face it Diploid, people who are idealists, those with high expectations, perfectionists tendencies, impose their will unto others, or those who like to be in control of things to feel safe secure with whats going down as should be expected have a harder time in life. There have been many great and insightful threads posted on that too.

Of course we can put ourselves to good use and offer up constructive positive ideas and solutions for constructive and positive change for the good of the whole. We should be where and when we can. We also have to do it constructively and with positive intent and good will for all or else we will be met with resistance and efforts will be futile. When futile is when we are prone to feeling discouraged, without hope and that can lead to depression.

You want to make what you see as positive change in the world. Great! If neither you or I or any one goes about it by being a cocky, condescending smart ass, we are doomed to fail and become frustrated and miserable.

I want to thank you for putting this post up for me to catch and a get good look at myself lately in. You've helped me to see from the other shoe how started off with the intent to make constructive positive change, with negative critical judgments and il will towards others isn't the way to get understanding or co-operation and to help things take shape to your suiting.

I realize that I need to change my tune and tone with them before I blow the only real game in town, lousy as I think some key parts of are.

I've got one of two choice.

Drop my unrealistic expectations of what a realty Team should be,  and do and how, change my tune and make the best of it

OR

Throw the sign in my front lawn through their office window, after I, and do a FSBO.

You have one of two choices with your dissatisfaction of MR&P.

Drop your unrealistic expectations, change your tune and make the best of it

OR

Post a major inflammatory post in there telling everyone what you really think, get perma banned and then, start your own MR&P debunking message board.

This should be clear evidence that I am stuck at the moment. I always use to say that there are always three options. I can't seem to come up with the 3rd for either your or my high expectation, high ideal, control freak "why can't others be more like me" dilemmas.

Maybe you should start planet Diploid where everyone thinks like you and I'll start Planet Jiggy where everyone thinks like me.  :thumbup: :grin:

Typically I would prefer diversity, though I don;t have it in this case. The Realtor options are spread out from between useless and clueless to bumbling fumbling idiots that have some redeeming qualities. Where is the diversity that also provides for me the option of excellence and a company with its act so together I am impressed and learn something from them.

Service in Florida sucks and professional competence is the pits. I am so tired of over seeing other peoples staffs for them and doing the job myself that I pay others to do or having to tell professionals how to do their jobs more proficiently.

:lol:Fucken sun brain fried Floridians.  I just got a call from the most incompetent le der head I've met here yet at the granite company I ordered new counters from. This guy takes the cake, there have been so many fuck ups.

Catch this latest Einstein maneuver as I know Floridians like you and Markos with more active brain cells can relate. There are scheduled to be installed Tommorow and he calls just now-

Mr. Le der-" You ordered the special order 60 /40 sink for the kitchen right?"

Jiggy- "Yes, and that is what is on the order form".

Mr Le der- " I made a mistake and thought it was the same price as the in stock 60 /40."

Jiggy- "And?"

Mr. Le der- " The templator cut the granite out to fit the in stock sink." (mine had a decorative curve on the 40 side. The regular 6/40 is square.)

Jiggy- "The item number for the sink on the order form is correct. I looked it up to print a pick to show potential buyers in the mean time. Why did he cut it for another sink  Mr Le der?"

Mr. Le der- " I made a mistake and wrote the wrong price and he thought it was the other 60/40. "

Jiggy-"What does that have to do with how he cut it out for the wrong sink? That just means this is going to cost me even more then I thought now, but I want it anyway"

Mr. Le der, "I just wanted to make sure that you wanted the special order one."

Jiggy, " Yes. It is what I ordered Mr. Le der. Is this going to be a problem for tomorrows installation?"

Mr. Le der, " Oh No, we'll just cut a new one from a new slab."

:crazy: :confused: :crazy: :confused: :crazy:

Thankfully so far things won't compromise my order but man, that was a costly mistake on his part. Just based on how he has handled my order to date, I would've shit canned him if I owned that place.

They have to scrap that whole piece and cut a new one. His biggest fuck up of the many was his mis calculating the initial measurements and not reserving enough slabs for the kitchen. The template dude came to measure and gave him the actuals that he was able to add up correctly. Mr le der calls me back saying that I have to come back in. (Hour and 15 minute drive one way and pick out a new one because they don't have enough of that one anymore. I ended up having to go with a more expensive one because I didn't like what else they had at the price of the first as inventory was even further shot by the time I went for the second visit two weeks later.

What a classic Florida incompetent fuck up. Don't even get me started on the Realtors here in New Tampa anyone.

If anyone made it this far, please send energy my way.

I'm open to any idea in PMs for my option number 3. Perhaps it is to drop the listing altogether at this time. Inventory is ridiculous now anyway. 42 homes in my area sold last month out 420 up for sale. Thats a joke. Talk about a buyers market. That's a part of what makes it a great time to buy in Florida. 

So much competition is why I am being hyper about my listing and wanting it as perfect as it can be. They freaking treat new homes for sale like cookies on a production line around here. Sloppy slop even though this group gives better market exposure then any other I have to choose from.

Le der just called back, said it can't be cut in time for tomorrows installation. I deffered a showing on Friday for Saturday and this is Now a major fuck up. He offered to give me a whopping (measly) $100 dollars off if I go with the boring common square sink.

Un fucking believable. Someone get the gun I'm ready to blow my brains out. I told him they need to bump everything else and cut my new piece tonight. He said they can't hold things up and this problem is even holding him up from a meeting. Excuse me? Maybe I would prefer to use the gun on his clueless shitty service ass.
Now I am waiting for the owners wife to call me back at my request. I can't wait for her to call. Wonder how this one will go down. If she is a Le der too, Someone is going to get hurt.

She needs to take that $100 discount, pay a guy to stay late and cut it tonight and take the cost of the wasted piece out of Le ders pay check and or fire his dumb ass. 

What was that you were saying about MR&P Diploid? You wanted more people to be able to freely express negative criticisms at the shroomery?

I have more where that came from. Did I mention that out of city of over 3 million people there is not one in the yellow pages who will replace a cracked tile? Do I have to do that myself to to get anything done around this place.

Anyone besides Diploid wishing there was more free expression of negative criticisms around the shroomery? Please request a PM from me. I have much more to express. 

I was functionally sane when living in la la land. Now that I have had to descend back into the system to pull off a home move, I am ready for the loonery bin and some serious Valium. :crazy2: :minigun:  :crazy2:


I wish my biggest beef was someone posting about peace in MR&P. Diploid, if you want to ride peoples asses, I'll hire you to do it for me here until I get through this move. You will have carte Blanche to call anyone I am currently dealing with a (mis representing) fraud, full of gibbering nonsense or a retard. I'm not cut out for this level of negativity anymore.

:headslap: More problems from the owner. We got them to do the correct install tommorow however,  3 of the 4 faucets being imported from Italy havn't arrived. They were ordered by them 3 weeks ago. The realtor is scheduled to come out and reshoot monday and my counters will have No faucets. Now I have to reschedule that and OMG has this women never heard of freaking Fed Ex. Have the Italians never heard of it.

I give, UNCLE! All expectations are dropped. As far as I am concerned at this moment, I never had my home listed for sale or ordered to new granite. Problems solved. I'm catching the next flight back to la la up and out of this density. Who needs this shit.

Option 3- Just say " FUCK IT!" and then go hug someone or a tree whatever.  :sun:

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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5929168 - 08/03/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The moral of the story, fine viewers, is:

"Never take anything for granite."  :tongue:


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5929471 - 08/03/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That was one hell of a rant. :wtf: :wink:

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P&S was the original still serving the old world ways of judgment and conflict. If MR&Ps design isn't to anyones personal liking, preference, understanding or comfort level, they have P&S. 




I don't think it is fair to portray P&S in such a manner, specificially with what has been applied with "old world ways". P&S concerns expressing a point of view with full acceptance of the fact that one is not assured what response it will get, but with the understanding that every response will benefit the growth and development of the ideas, thoughts, and perspectives expressed, and that everyone will become involved and develop and evolve as a result.

P&S is a forum in which those who are interested in participating work together to create something together. It is an avenue through which considerable obstructions that inhibit personalities from sharing ideas with each other in an entirely open, free manner are dissolved.

I see no need or truth in casting such an inappropriate light acrossed the forum. We both have our ideal visions for the state in which each forum exists. Reality is perhaps more encompassing for both than that ideal state we hold, but that ideal still exists within each forum.

We should not concern ourselves with battle of the forums, or investing in perspectives of other forums in a negative manner. I suggest this is resolved and we all contribute to the forums we choose to participate with in a manner that will bring that forum into its ideal state. :wink:

Which means no long rants in P&S. :tongue:

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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5929840 - 08/03/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
I'm sure you could, but you would only be contributing further to an off-topic, pointless dead-end. Why even reply with nothing constructive to offer?

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Look I was just pointing out that he was being hypocritical incase he himself did not notice it.  I would expect someone to do the same for me.  In reality I agree with Diploid.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5930197 - 08/04/06 12:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Funny Lunar! So true. How silly of me to expect professionals would deliver on their word and agreements. I forget what planet I am on sometimes. I spend most of my time on planet Cindy. Lately, I swear I need a translator to help me understand planet Earth.

Whatever, I snapped today and the pressure to hold all to perfection of execution is over. All expectations of anything going right have been dropped. None of this will matter in 100 years so why let it matter now.

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fireworks_god said:
That was one hell of a rant. :wtf: :wink:




It's been one hell of a last three weeks chalk full of my saying :wtf: myself. :lol:  :weirdeyes:



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I don't think it is fair to portray P&S in such a manner, specificially with what has been applied with "old world ways".




Has it not been the way of the planet to be in conflict and argue right and wrong? Thats just how it has been, what we were all raised within and what we are all use too. That is opposed to communities that come together in an attempt to create shared environments based on harmonious co-operation, mutual understandings and peace. That takes quite an effort and one of great self awareness, awareness of others as extensions of ourselves, and small sense of self importance, to be a part of.

It's worth working at, practicing and being supportive of. The world sure could use more of it in my opinion. Look how difficult it has been for people to exercise that sort of self awareness and self discipline in that forum. Every so often someone wants to infuse it with the old comfort zones of conflict, negation, negative criticism and discord. There's enough of that as soon as one walks out their front door.

My home is a sanctuary from it all and its great when sites this big have a sanctuary forum as well where all 3-D bullshit gets checked at the door before you walk in to socialize.

Does it dawn on everyone that some people just get tired of the critical Big Mac junk food attack, "I'm right your wrong" toxic poison crap? I've had my fill. I love EVERYONE again. :loveeyes:

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P&S concerns expressing a point of view with full acceptance of the fact that one is not assured what response it will get, but with the understanding that every response will benefit the growth and development of the ideas, thoughts, and perspectives expressed, and that everyone will become involved and develop and evolve as a result.




The part I bolded was the funniest thing I read here in a while. Were you being a wise guy or serious with that one? Maybe thats your intention when you come here. There is a small handful here  who have no intention of learning anything new from anyone. They will only learn from accredited scientists who say what they already agree with or believe in or the Bible.

Whatever, to each his own. This is a debate forum and no one says anyone has to learn a thing here. People can come as closed minded as they want to and argue all they want too. So be it.


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P&S is a forum in which those who are interested in participating work together to create something together. It is an avenue through which considerable obstructions that inhibit personalities from sharing ideas with each other in an entirely open, free manner are dissolved.




The sharing of ideas is what MR&P was created for because, it wasn't happening so openly and freely here dude. This forum is still designed to support the arguing of provable facts and evidenced phenomenon. If an idea can't yet  be supported with empirical data and evidence, be prepared to get your ass whooped when you post.

Yes, I agree about the freedom part. We are all free to take an ass beating around here if we post anything without proof that it is so.:hehehe:

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I see no need or truth in casting such an inappropriate light acrossed the forum.




If what you said was in an appropriate light, no one would have ever even come up with the idea, want or need for MR&P let alone would it have gotten a majority vote to be launched by S&Pers.

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We both have our ideal visions for the state in which each forum exists. Reality is perhaps more encompassing for both than that ideal state we hold, but that ideal still exists within each forum.




I had grand ideals for how MR&P would go down. Those were shot all to hell. I see no difference in them other then subject matter being better allocated now. Oh well, it was a nice idea and worth a shot. At least I think some are happy seeing the UFO and Energy topics kept out of here. Did I say, kept out of here, referring to the forum you claim to be so open and dedicated to the sharing of discussions of what many members are interested in.

Did you forget how many times members told people to stop posting that stuff, arguing that it didn't belong in their philosophy forum, even though it always has been a spirituality forum too? Spirituality forums regularly bring up UFO phenomenon, the paranormal, ETs and Energy bodies.

If you see only roses here, that's cool. Maybe I'll feel better if I just say, "You are right, P&S is so warm, open and cozy full of understanding and peaceful co-operative people.  :thumbup:

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We should not concern ourselves with battle of the forums, or investing in perspectives of other forums in a negative manner.




RIGHT ON! :cool: FW for president.:cheer: Tell that Diploid. His MR&P bashing posts are regular features in P&S. Then he wonders why people get personal with him at the risk of a warning or ban. I don't think he realizes that people think something is wrong with him. Few of us know people in the year 2006 that hate mystics so much. I thought that stuff went out of vogue with the witch hunts. When you see someone consistently show so much hate for a group of people, its hard not to become personally concerned with some like that.


"Oh NO Mr. Bill, :scream: someone is using herbal remedies instead of prescription drugs made by science for companies to make billions off of and the rich to get richer. They must be tried and hung for witchery." Oh no Mr. Bill,:scream: someone thinks they had a strong direct communion with the source force of all things. They must be consorting with the devil or too irrationally delusional to be trusted in our society. Burn them at the stake! :hehehe:"

Someone posted in there that Neil Armstrong finally came out with NASA's knowledge of ETs visiting here and what he kept secret about it and that he did. Somehow, Dip tried to debunk that in MR&P. :lol:

What ever happened to getting to the truth? If astronauts are coming out of the closet about it, we should know and if they are visiting, we have a lot to discuss. Any idea how frightening a proposition that is to face for most people? Even many believers tend to keep it in the sci fi aspect of their mind to handle it. There is a lot of fear of the unknown out there FWG, and it serves no one to keep those fears repressed and hushed up.

It's healthier for all of us to every now and again contemplate a "Hey, what if?" proof or not. If it is true and you end up face to face with one that may be hostile some day, you'll wish you prepped yourself. I'm probably one of the best informed and prepped people here and I think I would pee my pants, shit a brick, panic and go into shock or cardiac arrest if I came face to face with some weird disgusting ET creature whose motives I was unsure of.

I understand why some people don't want to read about it, think about it or face it in hypotheticals even. Sometimes, I don't want too and I just blow past the posts. I don't confuse that understanding with this forum being open to the sharing and creative building of progressive ideas, and solutions. Some just want to sweep what they are not ready to understand or learn more about under the rug. Out of sight, out of mind is there motto.

Some of us want to talk about this stuff from time to time without hostility or a hassle so we go to MR&P and hope people will remain open about such things.

I remember once a long ways back before MR&P, I used the taboo word "energy" related to subtle bodies here and people went into a hostile frenzy.:lol:  Another member PM'd saying, " some of these people can't handle the word energy being used like that. Find other ways to talk about that stuff so they don't get so uncomfortable and derail your posts." :lol: And people think MR&Pers are the wusses. :what: 

Some were like "Did she just use the woo woo word chakra and energy in the same sentence?:what: That is Blasphemy to the word energy as we dinosaurs know it. :mad2: We must stop her from speaking such evils."  :confused:



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I suggest this is resolved and we all contribute to the forums we choose to participate with in a manner that will bring that forum into its ideal state. :wink:




Great suggestion.:cheer: The problem is, which is being addressed in this post, one person at least, maybe a few more, think MR&Ps ideal state should be to allow critical and unwelcomed debate, heavy doses of negativity and repression, if not, that it be shut down totally all together.

And if we all do this, Madam Cleo will magically turn into a pumpkin.

What is to be done, when not all shroomerites even understand the ideals and principles certain forums were created and developed upon? How can they possibly contribute to being a constructive part of seeing them manifest to their ideal states?

It's like how funny it is when someone posts in WAF that someone in OTD was picking on them. They clearly have no understanding of the forums ideals or why members wanted it. People going in there asking everyone to be nice and get along is as silly as people going into MR&P and asking everyone to argue, mock the shit out of each other, be as judgmental as possible, as 3-D dense as possible, critically negative and closed minded.

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Which means no long rants in P&S. :tongue:




:smirk: I thought you said P&S was an open place for sharing thoughts and I thought Diploid wanted more freedom of negative expression around this joint. Make up your minds.  :tongue:  :wink:

Who comes to a message board not to talk or listen? What else is there to do here but type out thoughts or read those of others? :confused: Why put a limit on the freedom of length? And if you out law rants you just squashed the free expression of personalities that you just supported.

I have an experiment idea. Maybe we all should just put up blank posts and then with our imaginations, fill them in with what we want them to say. That's the only way, realistically, any forum here will ever meet anyones ideal. Otherwise, best we get realistic with the fact that anytime we deal with the random public, chances are, ideals will go down the toilet PDQ.

Welcome to planet earth, the place where it would be ideal if some inconsiderate women didn't pee all over public bathroom seats, but it ain't gonna happen here. :flyingpig: Enjoy your stay. :hillbilly:

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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5931163 - 08/04/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Look I was just pointing out that he was being hypocritical incase he himself did not notice it.  I would expect someone to do the same for me.




I would expect it to be done in private messages, as it does not pertain to this thread itself. Personal matters do not belong here. If you think someone is being hypocritical, then pm them about it.

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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5931287 - 08/04/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Why put a limit on the freedom of length? And if you out law rants you just squashed the free expression of personalities that you just supported.




No one needs to outlaw rants, as nature takes care of itself - people don't read or respond much to fillibusters. :lol:

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