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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924151 - 08/02/06 01:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Diploid said:

I'm not saying the admins don't have a right to do whatever they want. I just don't agree with them on this issue.




You may not, but we do. Emmerson once said, "Men are respectable only as they respect"

You could learn a thing or two from good ol' Ralph


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5924157 - 08/02/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Uh, what?  :crazy2:

Disagreement != Disrespect.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924173 - 08/02/06 01:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

One can disagree as a gentleman, you seem to be after the victims dignity.

“Never take a person's dignity: it is worth everything to them, and nothing to you."

Look, I'm new here. I don't know anyone very well, but I'm just calling it as I see it. I've seen people disagree in a more civil manner. You have to ask yourself what the quality of your intent is.


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5924182 - 08/02/06 01:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

One can disagree as a gentleman, you seem to be after the victims dignity.

That's ridiculous. I'm not that powerful.

Besides, only you can affect your own dignity. That's like blaming someone for someone else taking offense. Those are internal qualities under your control and no one else's.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924186 - 08/02/06 01:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Diploid said:
Magical explanations are way more exiting than mundane ones, and so many people lean that way even though there is no reason to.




Excitement is one hell of a reason. Much of what I do, if not most, is a result of excitement!

“Nothing is so aggravating than calmness."

-Wilde  :crazy2:


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924199 - 08/02/06 01:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Diploid said:

Besides, only you can affect your own dignity. That's like blaming someone for someone else taking offense. Those are internal qualities under your control and no one else's.





You can affect anyone, anyway. Don't underestimate the power of you, or me, or him  :cool:


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5924200 - 08/02/06 01:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Excitement is one hell of a reason. Much of what I do, if not most, is a result of excitement!

Yeah well lots of people used to call Ms. Cleo after her bogus commercial excited them. They got bilked of tons of money by a fraud.

So much for excited reactions rather than measured, rational ones.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5924205 - 08/02/06 01:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You can affect anyone, anyway.

I'd say they need to grow spiritually and stop giving others power over them.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924209 - 08/02/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Diploid said:


Yeah well lots of people used to call Ms. Cleo after her bogus commercial excited them. They got bilked of tons of money by a fraud.




When I think of the exciting experiences which have unfolded over the course of my life, the positive far outnumber the negative.
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So much for excited reactions rather than measured, rational ones.




I leave those reactions up to my toaster.


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924211 - 08/02/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Diploid said:
Uh, what?  :crazy2:

Disagreement != Disrespect.



You're right.  Disrespect is disrespect.  And in the thread in question, you were being disrespectful.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924214 - 08/02/06 01:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Diploid said:
You can affect anyone, anyway.

I'd say they need to grow spiritually and stop giving others power over them.




I'd say not to be afraid of the fact that we aren't in control of everything. Others do have an influence over us, whether direct or indirect.


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5924242 - 08/02/06 01:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

in the thread in question, you were being disrespectful.

You are in error. Highlighting your contradictions is not disrespecting you. This has been explained to you by many S&P regulars, but you just don't get it.

Besides, disrespecting someone requires intent, and that you erroneously think you know mine is telling.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5924249 - 08/02/06 01:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Any chance we could drop the ad hominems now and debate the points made in the opening post instead of debating me and my state of mind?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5925320 - 08/02/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It is simply not allowed to question or belittle ones believe in MRP, in comparison to P&S.
It's a kind of glass house, an experiment, a bubble...
This 'bubble' was constructed as far reaching as possible and is meant to let grow and fruit each others belief.

This is a kind of 'method' ! And perhaps it will lead to something, if it is not disturbed by 'fundamental' questioning :wink:

Come on, you know that, dip. Where will you set the limits ? Physics is excluded. But what if it gets racist or glorifying fundamentalist brutal ism, anti-humanism, fascism ?
How to classify/relate that ?
I mean, I agree that there are limits to that method to stay 'fruitful' and constructive.


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Re: Life Imitates Internet Imitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5925533 - 08/02/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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It's depressing to come to one of the places I frequent to escape the real world only to find more of the real world. People are the same everywhere, even the ones who fancy themselves different. What do you think?




I think if you are coming here to escape reality, and are disappointed when those here are of the real world, then you need to up the dosage.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5925789 - 08/02/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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So, just because something is hard to define does make one guilty of "making up crap at a whim."

Ask yourself WHY it's hard to define.

Love is hard to define. So is art. So are many things in human experience, but they're all defined and observable by everyone. That's why they are real.

All mystics have is some weird internal experience that is as likely to be a consequence of psychology and self-deception as some real thing from 'beyond'.

Given the giant avalanche of human self-deception throughout all of history, why choose the most unlikely 'magical' explanation over the ordinary one?

I'll tell you why. Because here again we see the human predilection for kidding oneself. Magical explanations are way more exiting than mundane ones, and so many people lean that way even though there is no reason to.




Here is where I must corroborate Silverstone's position. You remain...ridiculous.

I will pass by a discussion of "love" for reasons obvious to most here, and I will likewise bypass "art" because despite everything in my experience, I am in no wise an expert. However, when it comes to the subject of mysticism, I have much to communicate.

Once again, mysticism is NOT difficult to define and I have given you an excellent English definition by Evelyn Underhill, who remains almost 100 years later, a renowned expert. If you bother to read the definition (which I'll repeat here for the edification of potential readers), and enjoin some common sense, you will understand that "Reality" consist in much more than a singularly subjective experience, unless you are a solipsist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsist)

"Mysticism is the art of union with Reality. The mystic is a person who has attained that union in greater or lesser degree; or who aims at and believes in such attainment." Practical Mysticism, 1915, p. 3

Secondly, the 'mystical' is NOT equivalent nor phenomenologically similar to the "magickal." Even a character such as Aleister Crowley who fancied himself a mystic as well as a mage took great pains to describe the difference, although I am not citing Crowley as an authority so much as a popular influence on the collective consciousness of people who inquire about these subjects. I would refer you and anyone else who wanted to distinguish these opposite world-views to a true authority such as the late Mircea Eliade.

Mysticism was also defined by a title translated by yet another scholar, W.Y. Evans-Wentz, from an Eastern perspective, namely, The Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation: Or the Method of Realizing Nirvana Through Knowing the Mind, the preceding commentary of which was written by none other than C.G. Jung entitled 'The Difference Between Eastern and Western Thinking.' I have selected these two sources because by consulting them yourself you not only aquire an informed and highly educated description of mysticism West and East, and hopefully you would learn that psychics and tea leaves (among other phenomena misunderstood by you) do not belong to to the subject or the reality of mysticism. At this point you still don't even realize that you are embarrassing yourself by your lack of understanding and ridiculous statements.
Frankly, you simply do not know what you are talking about. First learn and know, then talk.

Lastly, dovetailing on YOUR use of the word "mundane," I offer the following passage from the General Introduction to The Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation:

"Nirvana being eternally at the basis of all existence, its attainment is dependent upon the yogic process of transmuting the mundane mind into the Supra-mundane Mind, success in which is equivalent to winning the philosopher's stone of the alchemists, or to mastering their occult teaching concerning the transmutation of base metal into gold. The process is normally threefold. Firstly, through study and research come intellectual comprehension of the Divine Wisdom. Secondly, the aspirant advances to intuitional insight. Thirdly, he stands face to face with the Nakedness."

The transmutation of base metal to gold would mean "magical" occult if one were referring to physical transmutation of matter in the outer world. Here, the philosopher's stone is a transmutation of the individual from base to Noble - the 'mystical' which 'dissolves' the distinction between inner and outer, and 'coagulates' a New Being in place of the old.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5926008 - 08/02/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You remain...ridiculous.

You claim a degree in philosophy, but just can't keep your dick in your pants when an opportunity to fling an ad hominem at me comes along.

Where did you go to school?


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5926028 - 08/02/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Diploid said:
You remain...ridiculous.

You claim a degree in philosophy, but just can't keep your dick in your pants when an opportunity to fling an ad hominem at me comes along.

Where did you go to school?




:nonono:

He illustrates several beautiful points, yet you only focus on what affects your ego. For shame man, for shame.

Can you put your self-absorption aside for a split moment and respond to the underlying themes Markos and Silversoul present you with? You only respond to whatever your arrogant paradigm allows. They are illustrating truths that transcend your obsession of self, that surpass self-addiction. Is that why you find it so hard to digest?


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: RRRR]
    #5926047 - 08/02/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

When I break a rule in the mumbo jumbo forum by pointing out the obvious, I'm immediately threatened with banning. When numerous people in this one thread break the rules by calling me names, nothing happens.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.  :rolleyes:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Life Immitates Internet Immitates Life... [Re: Diploid]
    #5926053 - 08/02/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You REALLY must like the term "ad hominem," (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) but you seem to be applying it to the most tangential remark. How about not playing 'thin-skinned' in this regard and perhaps even acknowledge that being argumentative is more important than learning something? Why else would you persist in this ridiculous behavior of ignoring all correction and maintaining erroneous statements?

You can check my bio for your question if you really want to know.


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