Home | Community | Message Board

MagicBag Grow Bags
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Offlinedot_com_unist
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/02/06
Posts: 128
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Mushroom Potency
    #5921729 - 08/01/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have heard different opinions on this. At what point do mushrooms reach their full potency. Some people let them say to reach full grown. But I have also heard that you can pick aborts and eat them because they contain just as much Psilocybin as a full grown shroom. The reason I am asking is it seems is if this is true... it would be smarter to pick them at a smaller size rather than growing them fully so there is less to eat.

Your opinions please.... Thanks!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblecreamcorn
mad scientist
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/13/06
Posts: 2,962
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: dot_com_unist]
    #5921741 - 08/01/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

you're right.  there's lots of opinions on this.  key word, opinions.  no fact. :smile:

so do what you want with them...

aborts definitely don't contain as much psilocybin as a full grown mushroom, ill tell you that.  they may contain more percentage wise by weight, but it would take a mountain of aborts to have the same amount of weight as a full grown mushroom.

pick them before they drop spores is the only rule i live by.  because  spores make them look ugly, taste even worse, make a mess in the fc, and so on.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAtheist
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/24/06
Posts: 13,705
Loc: USA
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: creamcorn]
    #5921751 - 08/01/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

once the veil is completely torn and is just hanging off the stem

perfect time to pick :thumbup:

a little earlier and a little later is okay too


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinedot_com_unist
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/02/06
Posts: 128
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: Atheist]
    #5921762 - 08/01/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I will try to look up an article I read about this. I recall it saying that the mushrooms produce the psilocybin at the early stage of pinning and don't gain much if any after that point. let me see...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleliamtheloser
Advanced Idiot
Male User Gallery
Registered: 06/07/06
Posts: 1,453
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: dot_com_unist]
    #5923198 - 08/01/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Don't you think that if pins contained the same amount of psychoactive chemicals as a full grown shroom, that EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHERS would be picking at their pins? 1 gram of pins = 1 gram of full grown, and I'll tell you what, those pins which each weigh probably 100 milligrams or less dried, could easily be 1-2 grams dried... and that's lowballing it.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleZen Peddler
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 6,379
Loc: orbit
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5924370 - 08/02/06 03:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

like someone else said there are NO studies that demonstrate that the veil has anything to do with the production of indoles in these mushrooms.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblefastfred
Old Hand
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/17/04
Posts: 6,899
Loc: Dark side of the moon
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5924606 - 08/02/06 07:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think a thorough review of the literature would prove you wrong.


-FF


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblecreamcorn
mad scientist
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/13/06
Posts: 2,962
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: fastfred]
    #5924820 - 08/02/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yeah there are studies that suggest psilocybin is dephosphorylated back into psilosin once spore production begins, because the phosphate is needed for dna production for the spores... could explain the beliefs that caps are slightly higher in potency than stems, as obviously spore productions happens up there, could also mean that after the viel breaks the amount of psilosin goes up while psilocybin goes down which jives with the belief to pick around the time the viel tears, could also mean that's partially an explanation for the purpose of psilocybin in the mushroom in the first place... and it all fits together conveniently.  but its still just that, studies, theories, etc.  even assuming that's exactly how it works, we still don't know if it happens in such a quantity that an actual human consumer of the mushroom is going to notice a damned difference. 

so there are studies for sure.  what you'd like to take from them, is up to you.

the only problem ive had eating mushrooms that have sporulated, is that they taste nasty and turn my tounge purple. :smile:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRogerRabbitM
Bans for Pleasure
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 11 months, 3 days
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: creamcorn]
    #5924910 - 08/02/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I've weighed mushrooms from the same flush taken right as the veil tore, and weighed others that were allowed to mature until spores were everywhere, and the weight was always within 10%.

I'll leave potency questions for those who like to argue based on subjective analysis, but in my opinion food quality is much better when picked early, before spores have dumped. I see no reason to allow them to overmature for that extra ten percent of product.
RR


--------------------
Download Let's Grow Mushrooms



semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat

"I've never had a failed experiment.  I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work."
Thomas Edison


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetonyperez420
Shaman Rasta

Registered: 11/03/04
Posts: 1,234
Last seen: 10 years, 11 months
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: dot_com_unist]
    #5924972 - 08/02/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

dot_com_unist said:
I have heard different opinions on this. At what point do mushrooms reach their full potency. Some people let them say to reach full grown. But I have also heard that you can pick aborts and eat them because they contain just as much Psilocybin as a full grown shroom. The reason I am asking is it seems is if this is true... it would be smarter to pick them at a smaller size rather than growing them fully so there is less to eat.

Your opinions please.... Thanks!




PMotW, Stamets, pg 36 (halfway down the page)

"Additionally, Gartz (1992) found that younger specimens are generally more potent then mature ones, an observation many users have also made"

But he also says that there are variables in a constellation of factors.... this holds more true for outdoor shrooms, of course

GL


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetonyperez420
Shaman Rasta

Registered: 11/03/04
Posts: 1,234
Last seen: 10 years, 11 months
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: tonyperez420]
    #5925239 - 08/02/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

btw if you achieve an even pinset, it makes harvesting time much easier to decipher

I have yet to have a REALLY nice one, where most become mature 1-2 days apart, then you can pick them all and mist without drowning new pinners  :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

hopefully now that I have instruments to measure PH balance and moisture % in my casings I will do so  :laugh:


Edited by tonyperez420 (08/02/06 12:18 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleZen Peddler
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 6,379
Loc: orbit
Re: Mushroom Potency *DELETED* [Re: fastfred]
    #5933949 - 08/05/06 08:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Post deleted by bluemeanie

Reason for deletion: jn



--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineYamidude
Stranger

Registered: 06/15/06
Posts: 957
Last seen: 15 years, 5 months
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5934196 - 08/05/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well people say brf is no bueno for potentcy as well as spawining to coir alone is alos no good for potentcy. I used brf cakes and spawned to coir and they kicked my ass last night..

so take it how you want but brf worked fine for me..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCubenisseur
Mad Props
Male

Registered: 12/04/05
Posts: 1,392
Loc: Indian Land
Last seen: 13 years, 10 months
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5934971 - 08/05/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Please don't get FF going again!!!

It's been a peacefull few days without him.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleZen Peddler
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 6,379
Loc: orbit
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: Cubenisseur]
    #5936244 - 08/06/06 05:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Who is FF?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFooMan
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/02/05
Posts: 8,957
Loc: Earth Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5936303 - 08/06/06 06:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

bluemeanie said:
Who is FF?




fastfred

Personally, I like to see good debates. It's when the name calling and holier than thou attitudes come out that things get ugly. Sometimes that's fun too though :smile:


--------------------

Quick WBS Prep


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleZen Peddler
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 6,379
Loc: orbit
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: FooMan]
    #5936313 - 08/06/06 06:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Oh the old 'im more authoritive, therefore I must be right routine'?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFooMan
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/02/05
Posts: 8,957
Loc: Earth Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5937234 - 08/06/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

bluemeanie said:
Oh the old 'im more authoritive, therefore I must be right routine'?




Precisely!  :grin:


--------------------

Quick WBS Prep


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCubenisseur
Mad Props
Male

Registered: 12/04/05
Posts: 1,392
Loc: Indian Land
Last seen: 13 years, 10 months
Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: FooMan]
    #5937632 - 08/06/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Thats what I was reffering to as well.

I like debates too, but when the same momo butts his head into nearly everyones posts and deviates the momentum of the thread at hand with antagonistic rubbish, it gets old.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* mushroom potency Mushroom_X 2,307 2 03/26/03 03:52 PM
by wiki
* Low psilocybin content?? BobDonut 3,136 15 09/19/02 03:09 AM
by Teiro
* potency after veil breaks *DELETED* blacksabbathrulz 1,606 5 07/12/02 12:04 AM
by Anonymous
* potency loss?? staindtrip 1,247 7 09/06/01 04:08 PM
by puscle
* potency chart??? staindtrip 755 2 09/05/01 08:59 PM
by fiddler4u
* flush and potency ShroominSpradl 2,026 2 05/21/02 08:05 PM
by angryshroom
* Is this a reliable indicator of potency (Pics)... Mr. Pink 2,484 13 05/31/01 10:41 PM
by fracsplosion
* mushroom Researcher Computer Program
( 1 2 all )
SWiTtles 6,358 24 05/18/02 06:03 PM
by ParanoidSchizoid

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
1,507 topic views. 35 members, 248 guests and 42 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.029 seconds spending 0.008 seconds on 14 queries.