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dot_com_unist
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Mushroom Potency
#5921729 - 08/01/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have heard different opinions on this. At what point do mushrooms reach their full potency. Some people let them say to reach full grown. But I have also heard that you can pick aborts and eat them because they contain just as much Psilocybin as a full grown shroom. The reason I am asking is it seems is if this is true... it would be smarter to pick them at a smaller size rather than growing them fully so there is less to eat.
Your opinions please.... Thanks!
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creamcorn
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you're right. there's lots of opinions on this. key word, opinions. no fact. 
so do what you want with them...
aborts definitely don't contain as much psilocybin as a full grown mushroom, ill tell you that. they may contain more percentage wise by weight, but it would take a mountain of aborts to have the same amount of weight as a full grown mushroom.
pick them before they drop spores is the only rule i live by. because spores make them look ugly, taste even worse, make a mess in the fc, and so on.
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Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: creamcorn]
#5921751 - 08/01/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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once the veil is completely torn and is just hanging off the stem
perfect time to pick 
a little earlier and a little later is okay too
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dot_com_unist
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Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: Atheist]
#5921762 - 08/01/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I will try to look up an article I read about this. I recall it saying that the mushrooms produce the psilocybin at the early stage of pinning and don't gain much if any after that point. let me see...
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liamtheloser
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Don't you think that if pins contained the same amount of psychoactive chemicals as a full grown shroom, that EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHERS would be picking at their pins? 1 gram of pins = 1 gram of full grown, and I'll tell you what, those pins which each weigh probably 100 milligrams or less dried, could easily be 1-2 grams dried... and that's lowballing it.
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like someone else said there are NO studies that demonstrate that the veil has anything to do with the production of indoles in these mushrooms.
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fastfred
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I think a thorough review of the literature would prove you wrong.
-FF
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creamcorn
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Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: fastfred]
#5924820 - 08/02/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah there are studies that suggest psilocybin is dephosphorylated back into psilosin once spore production begins, because the phosphate is needed for dna production for the spores... could explain the beliefs that caps are slightly higher in potency than stems, as obviously spore productions happens up there, could also mean that after the viel breaks the amount of psilosin goes up while psilocybin goes down which jives with the belief to pick around the time the viel tears, could also mean that's partially an explanation for the purpose of psilocybin in the mushroom in the first place... and it all fits together conveniently. but its still just that, studies, theories, etc. even assuming that's exactly how it works, we still don't know if it happens in such a quantity that an actual human consumer of the mushroom is going to notice a damned difference.
so there are studies for sure. what you'd like to take from them, is up to you.
the only problem ive had eating mushrooms that have sporulated, is that they taste nasty and turn my tounge purple.
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Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: creamcorn]
#5924910 - 08/02/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've weighed mushrooms from the same flush taken right as the veil tore, and weighed others that were allowed to mature until spores were everywhere, and the weight was always within 10%.
I'll leave potency questions for those who like to argue based on subjective analysis, but in my opinion food quality is much better when picked early, before spores have dumped. I see no reason to allow them to overmature for that extra ten percent of product. RR
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tonyperez420
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Quote:
dot_com_unist said: I have heard different opinions on this. At what point do mushrooms reach their full potency. Some people let them say to reach full grown. But I have also heard that you can pick aborts and eat them because they contain just as much Psilocybin as a full grown shroom. The reason I am asking is it seems is if this is true... it would be smarter to pick them at a smaller size rather than growing them fully so there is less to eat.
Your opinions please.... Thanks!
PMotW, Stamets, pg 36 (halfway down the page)
"Additionally, Gartz (1992) found that younger specimens are generally more potent then mature ones, an observation many users have also made"
But he also says that there are variables in a constellation of factors.... this holds more true for outdoor shrooms, of course
GL
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tonyperez420
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btw if you achieve an even pinset, it makes harvesting time much easier to decipher
I have yet to have a REALLY nice one, where most become mature 1-2 days apart, then you can pick them all and mist without drowning new pinners 
hopefully now that I have instruments to measure PH balance and moisture % in my casings I will do so
Edited by tonyperez420 (08/02/06 12:18 PM)
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Re: Mushroom Potency *DELETED* [Re: fastfred]
#5933949 - 08/05/06 08:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yamidude
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well people say brf is no bueno for potentcy as well as spawining to coir alone is alos no good for potentcy. I used brf cakes and spawned to coir and they kicked my ass last night..
so take it how you want but brf worked fine for me..
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Cubenisseur
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Please don't get FF going again!!!
It's been a peacefull few days without him.
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Zen Peddler


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Who is FF?
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bluemeanie said: Who is FF?
fastfred
Personally, I like to see good debates. It's when the name calling and holier than thou attitudes come out that things get ugly. Sometimes that's fun too though
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Zen Peddler


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Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: FooMan]
#5936313 - 08/06/06 06:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh the old 'im more authoritive, therefore I must be right routine'?
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bluemeanie said: Oh the old 'im more authoritive, therefore I must be right routine'?
Precisely!
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Cubenisseur
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Re: Mushroom Potency [Re: FooMan]
#5937632 - 08/06/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thats what I was reffering to as well.
I like debates too, but when the same momo butts his head into nearly everyones posts and deviates the momentum of the thread at hand with antagonistic rubbish, it gets old.
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