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OfflineDreamer987
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What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day)
    #5921629 - 08/01/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I work as a lube tek in a car dealership. Iv been there a week. Today i had to drive a standard. Long story short, i wrecked it into 2 parked cars. I owe them $1,000
Was piss tested imediately. The instant test failed for Coke.
The piss test lady said that the lab results would come in tommarow, and that the people i work for, would probly give me the benefit of the the doubt if i had taken anything that may have given me a false positive.

Erowid says:
Kidney infection (kidney disease)
Liver infection (liver disease)
Diabetes
Amoxicillin, tonic water

Do they mean Amoxicillin, and tonic water mixed?
Or could just Tonic water be an excuse?
Do you think i could swing saying that i was taking Amoxicillin even tho i don't have a prescription?

Please, please help me out here. My lunch break is almost over.
She said they were going to wait for the official results from the lab tommarow morning. I need an excuse.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5921640 - 08/01/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wow that sucks man.. have you done any other kind of drugs that could have possibly somehow been tainted with it?


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5921650 - 08/01/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Holy shit...I have no advice but I can offer a piss test kit that will let you piss clean if they let you retest. (I would definately demand a retest, it's your job on the line here)

Let me check to make sure I have the fake urine still...just a sec.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: MOTH]
    #5921656 - 08/01/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Okay, I have the quick fix. IT needs an hour to heat...it's yours if you want it.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5921668 - 08/01/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

let me get this straight first

you are doing coke right?


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: MOTH]
    #5921675 - 08/01/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Retests are generally more extensive :paranoid:


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Organic]
    #5921681 - 08/01/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hey, it's worth a shot if he can't pass on his own. Either that or he should get someone's clean, fake urine ASAP. He could still use the temp bottle and heater for the real thing.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: MOTH]
    #5921691 - 08/01/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I agree, I meant more that the "sending it to the lab" may be a GC/MS and may determine if it is actually the cocaine metabolite and not a false positive... I generally overworry these things though so +grain salt


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5922004 - 08/01/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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i wrecked it into 2 parked cars. I owe them $1,000
Was piss tested imediately. The instant test failed for Coke.





did you ever consider telling them you couldnt drive a stick and LAY OFF THE COCAINE!


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5922018 - 08/01/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

if your were doing coke they can tell if its a metabolite or a false positive, you cant just say you were doing amoxillin unless you actually do cuz then theyll test for amoxillin and it will show its not in your system...


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: AliceDee]
    #5922023 - 08/01/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i dunno tho you might be able to get off..


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5922298 - 08/01/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Dreamer987 said:
I work as a lube tek in a car dealership. Iv been there a week. Today i had to drive a standard. Long story short, i wrecked it into 2 parked cars. I owe them $1,000
Was piss tested imediately. The instant test failed for Coke.
The piss test lady said that the lab results would come in tommarow, and that the people i work for, would probly give me the benefit of the the doubt if i had taken anything that may have given me a false positive.

Erowid says:
Kidney infection (kidney disease)
Liver infection (liver disease)
Diabetes
Amoxicillin, tonic water

Do they mean Amoxicillin, and tonic water mixed?
Or could just Tonic water be an excuse?
Do you think i could swing saying that i was taking Amoxicillin even tho i don't have a prescription?

Please, please help me out here. My lunch break is almost over.
She said they were going to wait for the official results from the lab tommarow morning. I need an excuse.




I would say that your friend had brought back some coca tea from Ecuador or something. (Coca tea comes from the same leaves as cocaine) And, being a friend, he offered you some the night before or something. Coca tea isn't cocaine, but could definately cause a false positive. You might have to explain drinking coca tea, which is a legal grey area.

But the question is will they believe you, no matter how good the story? If you were in their shoes, would you believe you?


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: razorbladeshoes]
    #5922419 - 08/01/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Just get a new job. You've only been working there for a couple days, right? Fuck'em. Go across the street to that dealership and work there.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: HSIHd]
    #5922427 - 08/01/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah fuck em. Just got work at Tire Kingdom or Jiffy Lube or another dealership don't even pay them their thousand bucks thats bullshit.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: goobler]
    #5923222 - 08/01/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Its not like i was getting skiid at work, or staying up all night, and than working. I did shit like 3-4 days before.

It sucked so bad. The thought crossed my mind "mabey i should just go get somebody who knows how to drive one of these" but than i said, fuck it, i'll see if i can get it started first, than go get somebody, so it won't look like i didn't try first. I tried to turn the key, but the engine didn't start. So i pushed in the clutch, and turned the key. To my surprise that made the car move forward. I tried to hit the breaks, but i guess i only hit the clutch, and or the gas, because the car started moving faster.
I looked for the emergency break, but it was some fancy new model crap, and it wasn't anywher practical. Thats when i wrecked. I had probably traveled 10-20 yards, and the car was moving pretty fast. destroyed both bumpers.

Anyway, i'm gonna try to bullshit my way out of this tommarow morning. I had a sinus infection. Instead of going to a Dr. to have him tell me that, I found one of the multiple leftover Amoxiccilan prescriptions, and have been taking those.

Doubt it will work, but i'll let everybody know how it goes.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5923357 - 08/01/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Then actually take some Amoxicillin tonight. Drink a lot of fluids too. Flush your system good 3-4 hours before the test.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5925158 - 08/02/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well, i made it to lunch and nobody has said anything yet.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5925166 - 08/02/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Time to snort a quick line in the bathroom!


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5925173 - 08/02/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Time to snort a quick line in the bathroom!


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5925175 - 08/02/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I tried to turn the key, but the engine didn't start. So i pushed in the clutch, and turned the key. To my surprise that made the car move forward. I tried to hit the breaks, but i guess i only hit the clutch, and or the gas, because the car started moving faster.





stepping on the clutch peddal disengages the transmission, if the car moved it was because it was rolling, applying the brake would have been sufficient to stop it


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5925263 - 08/02/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Its not like i was getting skiid at work, or staying up all night, and than working. I did shit like 3-4 days before.

It sucked so bad. The thought crossed my mind "mabey i should just go get somebody who knows how to drive one of these" but than i said, fuck it, i'll see if i can get it started first, than go get somebody, so it won't look like i didn't try first. I tried to turn the key, but the engine didn't start. So i pushed in the clutch, and turned the key. To my surprise that made the car move forward. I tried to hit the breaks, but i guess i only hit the clutch, and or the gas, because the car started moving faster.
I looked for the emergency break, but it was some fancy new model crap, and it wasn't anywher practical. Thats when i wrecked. I had probably traveled 10-20 yards, and the car was moving pretty fast. destroyed both bumpers.

Anyway, i'm gonna try to bullshit my way out of this tommarow morning. I had a sinus infection. Instead of going to a Dr. to have him tell me that, I found one of the multiple leftover Amoxiccilan prescriptions, and have been taking those.

Doubt it will work, but i'll let everybody know how it goes.




I just can't grasp how someone who works on cars doesn't know how to drive a stick. Your a dude right? Fuck the job and the retest and all that, your first priority should be to learn how to drive a stick.

You know, unless you lied on the application about being able to drive a stick, I think it is the dealerships fault. I mean they sent you out there without asking if you knew how to drive a stick and you felt like you would lose your job if you couldn’t drive it right? And so you gave it your best shot and now you got in an accident, your neck is hurting, and I can’t imagine the humiliation you must be feeling. And then to top it all off they humiliate you again with a pee test and accusations all the while you are dealing with an infection for which you are taking antibiotics. On top of all theat you are now fresh out of tonic water.

Geeze man you should sue them!


But not until you learn how to drive a fuckin stick!!!


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #5925268 - 08/02/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, whack their pee pee!


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #5925286 - 08/02/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That's complete shit. It's not his employer's fault. He should speak up if he can't drive a stick. They don't read minds. Also, the UA is required by the insurance company in any accident.

False claims are one reason people who bust their ass aren't getting better wages. The company can't afford to pay better when they carry added liabilities because of bullshit claims. That's not the way to go about this.

That's beside the point, though...
Good luck Dreamer... you're in a tight spot.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5925299 - 08/02/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, whack their pee pee!




steal my lines will ya!


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Cowgold]
    #5925379 - 08/02/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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That's complete shit. It's not his employer's fault. He should speak up if he can't drive a stick. They don't read minds. Also, the UA is required by the insurance company in any accident.

False claims are one reason people who bust their ass aren't getting better wages. The company can't afford to pay better when they carry added liabilities because of bullshit claims. That's not the way to go about this.

That's beside the point, though...
Good luck Dreamer... you're in a tight spot.




Then they should ask on the app. Period. If a job will require certain skills then that should be covered on the app. If he lied then that was his mistake.
It is standard practice to list job requirements, duties, and required skills.

Although they may assume like me that someone who works on cars has enough interest to learn to drive a stick.

Your reply is so uppity and defensive that I think my suggestion might actually have a chance of flying. It sounded good anyway.

Look, the biggest cost is probably insurance. And when they lobby the lawmakers to pass seat belt laws or whatnot they claim it will lower insurance cost but never does the costs go down. You can be damn sure the execs and board members continue to make a killing though. Sure false claims are bad and a part of the problem but those fuckin companies are no better IMHO. They are fuckin thieves. For example I can only drive one car at a time so why can't I insure myself and drive any car? No, I have to pay twice as much to insure both cars. Fuckin thieves!!!

The piss test is so that they don't have to cover his personal injury most likely as they would still have to pay the dealership for the cost of repair. If they don't have to pay the repair due to piss test results them the dealership should have tested for insurance purposes at the time of hiring. Which brings up a good point. If they are asking you to pay then WTF is the insurance for??? And if they are not claiming it on the insurance then what is the piss test for???

This is all fucked up.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5925452 - 08/02/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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stepping on the clutch peddal disengages the transmission, if the car moved it was because it was rolling, applying the brake would have been sufficient to stop it




That was my recolection of the events. Whatever happened i wrecked into a car.
I'm not trying to lay the blame on anyone but myself. I would like to keep my job tho.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5925513 - 08/02/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Cocaine give ya da leadfoot!


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5925535 - 08/02/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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That was my recolection of the events. Whatever happened i wrecked into a car.
I'm not trying to lay the blame on anyone but myself. I would like to keep my job tho.




the best way to do that is to give up the drugs when you get your next one, if you dont get fired from this one, consider yourself very lucky


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5925554 - 08/02/06 02:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Or at least he should tighten his game up, have a clean urine solution ahead of time.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5925577 - 08/02/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, he musta planned on a couple bumps and wrecking a car
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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5925593 - 08/02/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Sometimes you can fuck up on a job really stupidly every once in a while. Especially when you're nervous about not fucking up.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5925607 - 08/02/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Definitely needs to tighten his game up...

Well, let me just say this.  I do think it is irresponsible to try and operate heavy machinery (i.e. the car) in a manner in which you do not previously have knowledge using (i.e. stick shift) if you can still test positive on a urine test.  What I'm saying is, if you didn't know how to drive that thing, and you had done coke a few days before, you really really shouldn't have even tried to drive it.

I don't see why they would keep you on as an employee, you seem to be too much of a liability.  And if they sent your urine to a lab, they would be able to tell if it was cocaine or an antibiotic.  If you DID try to claim that you were on antibiotics, they would need a doctor's note and/or signed paper from your pharmacy saying that you filled the Rx.  I think you're kind of screwed, it would be a miracle if you got out of this one. :goodluck:


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Lily_Morgan]
    #5926430 - 08/02/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, because while i was getting into the car i was thinking.
"I did coke early last weekend, i might wreck this car, and be urine tested, but fuck it!":rolleyes:

Anyway, nobody has said anything yet. So at the very least, i am earning money for just a little while, to help pay what i owe.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5926455 - 08/02/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know, I mean, I guess I just think it's a good idea to train your brain to think that way if you're doing drugs on a regular basis. It's hard enough to skirt drug tests for jobs these days without people fucking shit up on the job, getting piss tested, and then coming up positive.

Maybe you weren't thinking that way this time, but I bet you'll be thinking that way next time.

At any rate, I hope you don't have to find a new job and I do feel really bad that you have to be in this situation.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5926633 - 08/02/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Are you a girl? If so, get fake urine, put in a pill bottle, seal with plastic wrap or foil, put in vagina....it'll heat up to body temp that way. Act like ya can't piss, than indescreetly slice the foil or wrap with your nail. Works like a charm for people I know....and they are on parole, get tested at LEAST once a week.


***edit*** Coke is usually out of your system in 3-4 days, so drink plenty of fluids, work your ass off outside in the heat, drink more fluids, etc.....you should be clean for your retest then.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dark_Star]
    #5928182 - 08/03/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Are you a girl? If so, get fake urine, put in a pill bottle, seal with plastic wrap or foil, put in vagina....it'll heat up to body temp that way. Act like ya can't piss, than indescreetly slice the foil or wrap with your nail.





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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #5928350 - 08/03/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It seems as if they don't know, or if they know they don't care.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5928357 - 08/03/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

They maybe didn't pay for the lab test, and wanted you to just quit if you were guilty, someone needs a blow hookup, or no one has opened the envelope.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5928389 - 08/03/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You probably passed. Coke gets out yer system quick.


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Re: What can cause false positives for cocaine? Help! (Terrible Day) [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5947188 - 08/09/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm so incredibly lucky.


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