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Amanita Muscaria
    #5921263 - 08/01/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have only experienced one trip (approx. 3 weeks ago) and nothing has come close to such a wonderful experience as shrooms! Alcohol and Cannabis have been my only "inebriators of choice," but when my girlfriend introduced me to shrooms.....oh man! I was blown away! I feel much more open-minded about almost everything now, and more in-tune with people and nature! Life has a better feel to it now, and now I would like to experience these spiritual trips more often.

Problem is, I canNOT find any cubies around, and I have just finished extensive research on erowid, and old posts here, and am curious as to whether iamshaman.com distributes reputable batches of fly agaric or not. While ordering 10x salvia extract (from iamshaman.com), I happened across several currently legal psychoactive plants, including Amanita Muscaria. I feel comfortable enough to give them a shot, but I am understandably reluctant and skeptical when it comes to trying them out.

Also, post any kind of extra info you may have on fly agaric, just so I may feel reassured.

Thanks, and happy tripping all!


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: SineSierra]
    #5921336 - 08/01/06 09:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Amanitas have been described as the darker side of psychedelics. While Cubes are enlightening and euphoric, Amanitas tend to be confusing with a high body load. If I were you I'd try to integrate the experience into your daily life more and wait a while for your next mushroom trip.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: DIRTYMAN]
    #5921492 - 08/01/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Also.....on iamshaman it says the morning glory seeds (heavenly blue) are untreated and not for human consumption, and the fly agaric are poisonous.

I assume this is for legal purposes, but are they truly warning against anything other than nausea? I've read the same for fly agaric, but are there any special procedures that are absoultely neccessary for consuming either of these products? Considering that I am being as cautious as possible, I won't get sick and die from morning glories or fly agaric, right?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: SineSierra]
    #5921586 - 08/01/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Also.....on iamshaman it says the morning glory seeds (heavenly blue) are untreated and not for human consumption, and the fly agaric are poisonous.

I assume this is for legal purposes, but are they truly warning against anything other than nausea? I've read the same for fly agaric, but are there any special procedures that are absoultely neccessary for consuming either of these products? Considering that I am being as cautious as possible, I won't get sick and die from morning glories or fly agaric, right?




It is mainly for legal purposes. I have tried their HBWR seeds and their fly agaric. I found out that LSA is not my drug but it did work. When I did their fly agaric, i just felt a heavy body load and kinda drunk, sleep also wasn't the easiest thing with either. Both will make you nauseas though so be carefull, especially the morning glory or HBWR.

Besides that, you will never know how you personally feel about them until you try them. Some people like those kind of drugs.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: drSE]
    #5921678 - 08/01/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Fly Agaric is one of those things that some people really love, and some people (dare I say, most people) really hate.  Only one way to know where you fall on this one :smirk:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: drSE]
    #5921684 - 08/01/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3744422

http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory.shtml

Check the Related Threads, below.
And use search forum.

As far I can remember reading, there are no reported known deaths from Amanita muscaria, A.muscaria var. formosa or A.pantherina. Right?
Still many other amanitas are deadly.  Death cap for example.


Here is a video of two guys tripping on a weird setting :smile:
Check the whole serie, its there.
Sacred Weeds: Fly Agaric, part 4: 
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youtube.com/watch?v=XQkcvdOrPew&mode=related&search=sacred%20weeds%20fly[/url]


Edited by astraalialma (08/01/06 12:16 PM)


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: drSE]
    #5921689 - 08/01/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm going to order an ounce of the grade A Washington State Amanita Muscaria and probably 1500 Morning Glory seeds......I also ordered a 3g bag of 10x Salvia Divinorum extract 2 days ago.

I have this constant urge to experience all sorts of organic psychoactives now, after my single trip with Cubensis. Is this normal?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: SineSierra]
    #5921713 - 08/01/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, firstly, cubes are a psychadelic hallucinogen. That means you feel trippy, and you hallucinate.

A. Muscaria is not a psychadelic hallucinogen, it contains multiple deleriants. This means that you will not experience so much a trip as you will delerium. I can't really explain it. They're rather different.

To give you an idea however, Vikings were renowned for their ferocity in battle. They also used to eat large amounts of a. muscaria before battle. Apparently it would make them go delerious with rage, and make them seemingly impervious to harm.

From the stories I've heard, they seem more like pcp than they do like a cube.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: SineSierra]
    #5921717 - 08/01/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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I'm going to order an ounce of the grade A Washington State Amanita Muscaria and probably 1500 Morning Glory seeds......I also ordered a 3g bag of 10x Salvia Divinorum extract 2 days ago.

I have this constant urge to experience all sorts of organic psychoactives now, after my single trip with Cubensis. Is this normal?




Yes. It's normal.

However if you're looking for things that make you feel the same as psilocybe then your expectations will fall very short.

All of these drugs are very, very different. Psilocybe are a particularly 'easy' drug compared to things like morning glory or salvia IMO.

I'm not trying to scare you away from things other than shrooms... I have tried salvia and morning glory from (the site you ordered from) and I enjoyed both very much.

Morning glory is very enlightening and profound, but expensive in terms of mental and physical load. I would suggest it only for a person who has a mind they consider strong, and a mind they trust.

Salvia is very mysterious and 'unexpected'. I have felt a definite sensation of communication from external entities on salvia (not to say this has lead me to believe in fairies). I have been the closest to having an 'out of body experience' on salvia (while running from cops, incidentally. long story.).

I'm yet to try amanitas.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: SineSierra]
    #5921739 - 08/01/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Tell us more about your first trip, maybe it was nice and euphoric, next trip may be different.
You should proceed with caution and be prepared and read how to do in case of a bad trip.
Set and setting.
It's wonderful to hear that your GF likes to trip with you, that will be a big bonus. How experienced is she?
She can be an invaluable help and turn trip good.

Just be careful with salvia too. I really recommend you to start from threshold levels and get used to the feelings. That way you can gain more from a lesser dosage. You work your way to know how it works.
It is much a learning experience. Sure you can be blown into pieces by first try and heavy 20x dosage. I thought this was the way to use salvia when I started reading about it. Now I know better and otherwise.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5921770 - 08/01/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That's what I've gained from my reading and research on erowid and old threads here. I definitely don't expect the same great time i had with cubies, but I am aiming for any form of enlightment. I was left with a little bit of an altered way of thinking, and I'm hopeful that these substances will do the same. While my girlfriend and I were tripping, everything about my persona had come out, and she even told me that she understands me better now. During the trip, as crazy as I was, I literally split into two seperate people......as if I have been two, but never seperated. I had arguments and converations with myself, as I ran around the house, hid under my bed shaking and laughing hysterically, and she stayed by me and watched the whole thing. Parts of the trip I cannot remember, but she fills in details. At the time, this was all very unpleasant, but the higher understanding and greater honesty I have gained about myself is very relieving. I felt better, having vented all this pent-up emotion since I was a child (I'm 21 now, having had problems since I was 8 or 9). My goal with these other products, and hopefully cubies again and more often someday: Insight and honesty about who I am, and what I'd like to become.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: astraalialma]
    #5921781 - 08/01/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

CHeck out the Cultivation forum !!!


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Dr_Mcgillicuddy]
    #5921831 - 08/01/06 12:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Haha! That was my first time on this site. I went straight to researching how to grow my own, and although I know more than beforehand, I'm still confused as to everything I would need to grow a batch of cubies (enough for myself and a friend) or how to even set it all up. As of now, that is my FAVORITE experience of my life, and I would love to trip more often, but in the meantime, I thought I'd experiment with other psychoactives to gain a better perspective on them in general. But, oh man.....I would love to grow my own cubensis.....or at least find a fuckin' dealer.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: SineSierra]
    #5922938 - 08/01/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I had a similar initiation to psychedelics as you did SineSierra, except it wasn't triggered by a girlfriend. My first altered state came from alcohol, then cubies, then pot, then amainta muscaria, then salvia. I've yet to try LSD or LSA.

I can, though, provide you with some valuable information (if you haven't learnt this already). When doing Amanita Muscaria, I found that the best way to take them is in tea form. All you need is a coffe grinder; through some grams in there (start low, 5ish) and grind them till they are a powder. Then begin to heat some water. Don't let it boil though. As soon as bubbles start to forming and rising to the top, that's when you should turn off the heat. Then simply pour the water over the ground a.muscaria and drink up. This procedure seems to eliminate most of the nausea. I have a particularly weak stomach, and though drinking that tea still tasted like shit, I had no nausea problems. It took over an hour for the muscaria to start to rise, which felt like I was drunk with a heavy body load. Might have been even 1hour and a half. But, at around the 1hour30min mark I would smoke pot. I did this everytime I've done muscaria and it's always made the trip better. Personally, when I did a.muscaria, all I wanted to do was lay on the carpet and listen to music or nothing at all. I spent the whole trip merely exploring the insides of my mind. There were no visual hallucinations and when I walked around it did feel like I was drunk. It was less of a hallucinogenic and more dillusional, IMO. It was like I was watching myself go crazy, and though that may sound negative it was still enlightening and enjoyable. Grinding up the muscaria will help to avoid nausea and hence a negative attitude toward the drug.

Salvia is.... otherwordly. Be very careful with your dosage and respect the drug. A water bong is best, and a torch isn't necessary. And don't get discouraged if the salvia doesn't work at first. It took me 7times or so before I tripped. (But, that might just be me. An idiot with inhalation problems. ::fart noise::) I got both my salvia and my amanitas from iamshaman.com, and they were both of high quality, especially the salvia! :smile:

I've never done LSA but as I understand it, preparation is everything. Shitty preparation will lead to nausea and a shitty experience. I don't know how to prepare it properly, but I'd like to learn to do so soon. A few searches on this forum sound prove fruitful.

To summarize: grind your muscaria into tea form and have pot with you (reduces nausea and increases trip); respect salvia and use a water bong; and find an extraction method for LSA.

I hope I was somewhat helpful and not too tedious in my response.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: ShroomScape]
    #5923874 - 08/02/06 12:01 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Seems as if we have similar-tracked minds. Thanks everyone for the great answers. Erowid doesn't have all the answers to my questions, and this is just what I needed. Most notably, ShroomScape.....I appreciate it!


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: SineSierra]
    #5923920 - 08/02/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

one summer we collected a bunch of amanitas and make a tea with them, we cooked them in an oven at 150 degrees to destroy the toxic part of the mushroom, then we chopped them up and made a tea. i drank the most it wasnt very fun.. nausea cold sweat something was up, i think if you use the red flyagerics it would be alot different


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: inmymindimfine]
    #5923949 - 08/02/06 12:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hopefully you used either the red or yellow agarics. muscaria or Amanita m. v formosa.

As long as its amanita M, you have the goods....The color doesnt really matter much. They are red with spots, or yellow with white spots.

You can trip off of other amanitas but with very bad physical effects. Or you could die. Amanitas are one of the most deadly mushrooms if you eat the right kind. Death cap etc.....


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: yageman]
    #5924161 - 08/02/06 01:31 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Once you get your hands on those psychedelics, let us know how the trips turn out SineSierra. I personally love reading other ppl's impressions and your introduction to drugs seems similar to mine. In the meantime, I'll begin looking into LSA extraction myself. happy trippings  :laugh:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: ShroomScape]
    #5924294 - 08/02/06 02:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

morning glories are great. Just eat some and unless you are really fragile they will provide a great trip. SOme people tend to complain and give lsa plants a bad name.

I never had one bit of trouble with any lsa seeds(in any way). I just chewed the weird tasting fuckers. Had great trips.

Good luck to you.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: yageman]
    #5924594 - 08/02/06 06:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Amanitas are one of my favorites, I enjoy them more than cubes.  If you are worried about Look alikes; you shouldn't be buying from an entheo store but the two to look out for are Amanita Phalloides (Death CAP) and The green-gilled lepiotia (these have white/green then dark brown gills but are hard to distinguish when young and are still white gilled).  Other than that always grind your shrooms up into powder for potency consistency and start conservative, you can always redose but never undose :smile:


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