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I need some help
    #5921211 - 08/01/06 07:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hello everyone, I am on a grow right now that is going not so good.. my casings keep pining up very nice, but produces almost half aborts and the mushrooms that do grow are very skinny.. they also only get about 3 inches tall before they start to mature and open.. does anyone know what might be the cause of this?


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Re: I need some help [Re: Asmbandits]
    #5921213 - 08/01/06 07:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

what's your light situation?


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Re: I need some help [Re: BigBrassBed]
    #5921219 - 08/01/06 07:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Most likely poor genetics.


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Re: I need some help [Re: Asmbandits]
    #5921222 - 08/01/06 07:50 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Hello everyone, I am on a grow right now that is going not so good.. my casings keep pining up very nice, but produces almost half aborts and the mushrooms that do grow are very skinny.. they also only get about 3 inches tall before they start to mature and open.. does anyone know what might be the cause of this?




whats your grow setup look like?

humidity?

are the at least fat short ones? maybe the strain


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Re: I need some help [Re: tonyperez420]
    #5921245 - 08/01/06 08:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

if you're spraying your pins directly, that will cause some to abort as well.


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Re: I need some help [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5921250 - 08/01/06 08:28 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I just had some koh samui super strain were the veil broke at a 1/2 inch tall. my biggest shroom was 1 inch. did you get your spores from THE? i did, and will never again.


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Re: I need some help [Re: 19741974]
    #5921303 - 08/01/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Give us some details. What substrate, temp, humidity, FAE. Also some pics would help.


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Re: I need some help [Re: Asmbandits]
    #5921402 - 08/01/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Could be any number of variables.

If you get a good pin-set, then poor performance from there.

It would usually be a problem with FAE, light, temps, substrate moisture/depth, or Rh.
Or, a combination of the above.

Hey, you got shrooms. That is a GOOD THING.

Now, just fine tune, and make it better.


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Re: I need some help [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5921658 - 08/01/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have a fruit log in the grow log section.. strain is Orissa and keepers creepers.. im doing WBS on ster manuer.. I thought it was mabey just the strain when the KC fruited and acted like that, then the Orissa pinned and matured and its the same thing, and Orissa I heared gets huge most of the time... there are pics of my setup in the logs.. im stumped.. humidity is very high, and they get a breath of fresh air 2 times a day for 25 min a day..


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Re: I need some help [Re: Asmbandits]
    #5921663 - 08/01/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

oh and light is 12 on 12 off...


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Re: I need some help [Re: Asmbandits]
    #5921778 - 08/01/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

while all those other things everyone mentioned are all well and good, two things:

how deep is your substrate? shallow substrate = small mushrooms. try using more substrate mass, in thicker containers. especially with something like OI, if you want it to go to its potential, give it 3-4" deep of substrate to work with.

second factor, moisture. mushrooms are 90% moisture. if there's not enough moisture, there's not going to be a lot of mushroom.

you said you run those fans for 25 minutes? that's crazy... you're drying the crap out of everything. a quick blast from that fan for maybe 5 seconds is enough to exchange the air. its better to have more frequent exchanges than twice a day, for wayyy shorter durations. don't run it for 25 minutes, that's totally ridiculous.

you also mention in your log using cow poo. cow poo just isn't a good choice of substrate.


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Re: I need some help [Re: creamcorn]
    #5921904 - 08/01/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, im thinking just like you creamcorn.. cow poo was all I could find around here.. (steer manure)and I think they are very thirsty.. aI soaked them both and now are back in the FC for a second go, with the air cut back to 5 min twice a day :laugh:


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Re: I need some help [Re: Asmbandits]
    #5921925 - 08/01/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

5 minutes is still too much.  just a few seconds, and do it 4-5 times a day instead.

the point is to exchange the air in the FC.  a fan that size in an fc that size, on for a few seconds, will do that.  any longer, it will just dry things out.  fresh air is fresh air, you can't make it any fresher by fanning longer.  :wink: 

more frequent exchanges is beneficial, because the CO2 builds back up.  4-5 times a day would be wiser, if you observe that couple of seconds of fanning suggestion.

i get the feeling you want to use the same timer for your humi and your fan.  unfortunately you either need a second timer, or just turn one of them off for now and handle it manually.  if you want to see an improvement in your crops, that is.

correct FAE and moisture = not only better growth, but better pinsets in the first place.  theres a delicate balance to strike on your casing as far as moisture is concerned.  relying on timers and such to do the job for you, before you have the feel for it 'manually' perhaps, isn't so wise.  you might benefit by skipping both, and manually fanning and misting for a little while, to see what things should look like.  then set up your timers to reproduce that.

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Re: I need some help [Re: creamcorn]
    #5921951 - 08/01/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:laugh: yeah i here you on the few seconds, but its a 50 gal tub with just one 80mm fan at one end and a 80mm hole at the other end with a large filter and I would guesstamate that it takes around 5 min at the least to completelly exchange all the air in the tub... my casing is around 3 inches thick as well so I dont think its that, I fell that mabey they were just thirsty from the get go..


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