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SpookerShroom
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Police 'tips'
#5919723 - 07/31/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hello fellow shroomerites.
I was pondering something.....everytime I read about a bust on the shroomery or elsewhere, 99% of the time the reason the person/people got busted is not devuldged to the media/public, and all that is usually listed is that the police acted on a 'tip'.
It got me thinking...couldn't the police just use that as a way around all the legal bullshit they have holding them back from many growers?
Example....They get a bunch of info..illegally...say, they review credit card statments, listen to phone calls ect, all without a warrant/subpeona.....so they find out a person is buying spores and poop and such with there credit card..and there pretty sure the person is growing something illegal.....now, all of their evidence is bull, because it was obtained illegally.....now couldn't they just say they recieved an annonymous 'tip' from someone, and request a warrant just on that prospect? Then then the person gets busted, they have a legitimate excuse for why they were up in the persons business anyways.......at least it looks that way, because I very rarely find a article that lists the events leading up to a bust, just the old 'the police acted on a tip from a outside source'
Is there anything I'm missing here? What can be done to prevent this from happening?
I mean maybe once the person is arrested..the police must devulge their source in court? not sure..maybe someone with legal knowledge could answer that.
Just got me wondering.
Thanks for reading
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SuperD
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i too have wondered this after reading countless posts about drug busts in our news forum. my guess would be it is possible. the crimestoppers on tv here says your tips will and can be made anonymously when calling in about criminal activity..so i would venture to say it is possible for them to use that as an excuse if they have no other way of busting you.
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Le_Canard
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Yeah Cops can and do frequently lie their asses off. I've seen them do it open court.
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fastfred
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Re: Police 'tips' [Re: Le_Canard]
#5921030 - 08/01/06 04:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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For sure. They often come upon info and then make up a fake "tip" to justify collecting that info in the first place.
For example, they will say they got a "tip" and so started watching your meter when in fact they often snoop around suspicious places looking at their meters or get illegal tips from metermen or power companies. It only takes a few seconds to notice that somebody's meter is spinning twice as fast as everyone elses.
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Seuss
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> now couldn't they just say they recieved an annonymous 'tip' from someone, and request a warrant just on that prospect?
Yes and no. Yes, they (the police) can do whatever they like. No, a judge should not allow a warrant based on an anonymous tip. I have a friend that is NYPD and asked him about this. He said in NY they must have three items of evidence to present a judge before they can get a warrant. He said an anonymous tip will usually not count as one of the three, but that it will help when mixed with other stuff that also doesn't count as one of the three. For example, an anonymous tip plus observing a constant stream of people in and out of a house, plus observing that many of the people flowing in and out of the house are known druggies would count as one of the three items needed for a warrant. He said it changes from state to state and some judges are easier to convince than others.
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Re: Police 'tips' [Re: Seuss]
#5930368 - 08/04/06 01:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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police informants lie for police and if there past info was good the judge will let this stand as reliable.
I learned the hard way.
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SpookerShroom
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Re: Police 'tips' [Re: KaptKid]
#5931053 - 08/04/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yea I checked with a lawyer in my area, and he told me that in order to get a warrant, be it search or arrest, the police must provide 3 solid forms of evidence, or 3 signed statements from people stating they know you are doing something illegal.(like if a bunch of kids got busted with pot, if 3 of them sign statements saying they bought it from you, they can get a warrant to arrest you for selling)
That kind of freaks me out, how hard would it be for cops to find 3 random homeless guys and get them to sign a paper saying they have seen my grow room and know I produce illegal mushrooms, for a hamburger...and bam, im busted. While the hobo's credibility will get shit on in court and my charges likely dropped, it would still suck ass to lose all my crops and be on the cops shit list till I'm dead.
The lawyer also said it is state dependant so you were right Seuss.
I do not tell ANYONE about my grows, but I'm still a little sketched about posting pics and grow logs on here, its just too easy for cops to get IP's nomatter what people are told. Once they have an IP and an address....there out to find the hobo's for some signatures lol.
Also, even though I use cash exclusivly for puchases for substrate and such, those people still have my address somewhere (i know all those sites say they dispose of all your info everytime you order)...but what if they get busted (as some spore suppliers have..) and they have an envelope with an order from me(spores for example) unopened? The cops will confiscate, open, bam, they got my name, addy, and an order for some spores. Off to wendys to get some burgers, and some hobo signatures again! lol
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Seuss
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Quote:
That kind of freaks me out, how hard would it be for cops to find 3 random homeless guys and get them to sign a paper saying they have seen my grow room and know I produce illegal mushrooms, for a hamburger...and bam, im busted.
The "paper" is an affidavit, and if they lie about what they sign, it would be perjury. The judge that issues the warrant isn't stupid and isn't going to issue a warrant based on the signatures of three bums off the street, unless the judge is corrupt.
> I do not tell ANYONE about my grows
Very wise.
> but I'm still a little sketched about posting pics and grow logs on here
I wouldn't post a picture here, or anywhere else for that matter. The less of a trail you leave to follow, the less likely you are to get busted. Pictures are nothing more than an ego trip; an ego trip can land one in prison.
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SpookerShroom
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Re: Police 'tips' [Re: Seuss]
#5932826 - 08/04/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yea I thought about that it makes sence now, im sure it still happens though, I bet there is a lot of cops just like those cops on the SHIELD tv show.
Yea pics are a no-no for me. I mean a lot of people, specially the old hands, post tons of pics....they must have good proxies? or big balls, or both lol
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Prisoner#1
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remember, what you see on TV is slanted, it's geared to misinform you of what is legal and what isnt, I frequently see shit where the informant tells the cops and the cops do a raid, no warrant what so ever, fortunately with the legal system we have, the case would be thrown out under those circumstances
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doodoomaster
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Quote:
SpookerShroom said:
Yea pics are a no-no for me. I mean a lot of people, specially the old hands, post tons of pics....they must have good proxies? or big balls, or both lol
A lot of folks are in places where its o.k. or much less hated/disaproved.
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if you can't handle the paranoia there are legal psychedelis to use too.
do what is right, but also what is sensible.
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They can't get warrants based on anonymous tips,but they can come and question you.And as most people are uninformed about their rights,the cops will get them to tell on themselves.
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Montanahunter420
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Your garbage is your worst enemy. They will pick through endless amounts of trash to bust you. I have a friend that was busted this way, along with a tip that someone seen his plants. They performed various trash pickings finding a large amount of evidence. I also have watched cops pull bags out of a dumpster and throw them into a nice new truck. I make sure to throw away nothing incriminating. I also tear open my trash bag and poor it out into the dumpster. This way no mail or anything in my trash bag can be directly linked to any evidence, just incase something made it into the trash bag. Flush everything down the shitter!!!!!!1
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Seuss
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> Flush everything down the shitter!!!!!!
That way, when the sewer backs up, the city will know exactly what I have been flushing away!
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Quote:
jeverden said: Your garbage is your worst enemy... Flush everything down the shitter!
Fuck no! I was paranoid so I flushed some Hpoo/Birdseed/Vermiculite casings down the toilet and clogged the toilet for TWO WEEKS! I spent over $50 on plungers, snakes, clog removing chemicals; and had to run to the McDonald's across the street to use the bathroom for two f'in weeks! Now I just throw spent casings in a garbage bag in a backpack and go for a hike in the woods . Much safer, and environmentally friendly .
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sacred_mushroom
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Here's some basic "what to do" tips off a card my parents gave me:
-Be polite and respectful -Stay calm and in control of your words, body language, and emotions -Don't get into an argument with the police. -Remember, anything you say or do can be used against you. -Keep your hands where the police can see them. -Don't run. Don't touch any police officer. -Don't resist even if you belive you are innocent. -Don't complain on the scene, you can do this later. -Don't make any statements regarding the incident. -Ask for a lawyer immediatley upon your arrest. -Remember officers' badge numbers. -Write down everything you remember ASAP. -If you feel your rights have been violated, contact a lawyer.
... I'm sure these things could be useful but I just don't see how some of this stuff would work with your average cop.
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Vvellum
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my advice:
use http://www.torrify.com when doing online cult stuff (browsing cult forums, posting pics, etc)
be mindful of your trash. discretely toss organic waste into the woods or a pond or just bury it somewhere. toss non-organic trash into someone else's dumpters. be sure to remove any sort of UPC codes or receipts or anything of an identifying nature. be careful when doing this - do it like a ninja - quiet, quick, at night, normal.
never order with personal credit cards or anything that can traced back to you. money orders are best. you want zero papertrail.
do not tell anyone about your grow-op. no one. never. ever.
purchase supplies in inconspicious patterns (meaning, dont got to walmart and purchase tubs, verm, lysol, jars, aquarium heater all at once).
do not sell.
always be paranoid.
keep everything locked up. do not leave anything out.
...and you'll be fine.
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