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wiggles
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Do you blame someone tripping?
#5919127 - 07/31/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright, I just today had it out with my roommate. I've been getting more and more concerned about him as of late... he's becoming more and more withdrawn, and his usage of substances is growing at an almost insatiable rate. Not being on firm ground to voice concern over someone's usage of substances, I haven't said anything. Until now.
Last night, my housemate was extatic because he was able to procure an ounce of "Red Caps" (whatever the hell they are, I've never heard the term before). One 8th for him, one for me, one for each of 2 of his friends, and 4 left over for whenever. Well, he ended up staying much later than expected at work, so by the time he arrived I had to be asleep (had to be awake for work at 6am, he arrived back home just short of midnight). So, he decided he'd go over to his friends house so I could sleep unmolested, and drop them there. I didn't mind, I personally like tripping alone (save for salvia).
So, I helped him weigh everything out and he went on his merry way, and I tried to go to sleep. I had finally started dozing off around 2:30 (i have a hard time sleeping most nights). Suddenly I hear a thump, and a bunch of laughing voices. So, I grabbed my baseball bat, and hunkered over my railing to see who was loudly coming up my steps. My housemate was accompanied by his 2 friends, both tripping and in quite a daze. I asked him what he was doing back, and he said tripping. Apparently he had stripped down to his boxers and walked the whole damn way across town and managed not to be caught. His 2 friends were shirtless. I still don't know the story behind that, and I don't really care. So, he sees me, realizes that I'm trying to sleep (the room being pitch black and all), and goes back downstairs for about 2 minutes. He then comes back upstairs, seemingly oblivious to my presence. He turns on his stereo, turns on the lights, and starts smoking a bowl (MY bowl I might add). I just sat there in shock. I asked them to leave. After about 4 attempts to get the point across, they finally understood and went back downstairs. At least at that point I was able to lay down and finally get some sleep. At 5am.
So, I wake up... sort of anyway, at 7 (I let myself oversleep a little). He was just then coming back up the steps. He asks how I'm doing, I pointed to my bloodshot eyes and asked him how the hell he thought I was doing. As soon as he did that he turned to start walking away. As he did so, I told him to please, for the love of god, next time stay at his friend's house instead of fucking me over like this. I'm working a goddamned 15 hour day!
That seems bad enough, but that's just the beginning...
So, I grab my shower and head downstairs. Empty beer bottles, and a bottle of jameson were all over our couch, along with too many wrappers to count. Just then I get a tap on the shoulder from our sexy female roommate. She proceeds to scream at me for eating all of her food along with my other roommate. At this point I'm livid. I explain to her that I hadn't been around at all yesterday, and hadn't in fact eaten in 2 days (I have 4 dollars thanks to rent, so I'll save it til i'm starved). I explained what happened to her, and she apologized to me, and went upstairs to talk to my other housemate.
Now, I'm still extremely, extremely pissed at my housemate. He fucked me over, he fucked my other housemate over, he was unsafe multiple times which could have hurt us BAD had the gestapo decided to come knocking, and worst off, he smoked my bowl, which still had the very last little bit of opium I was able to find in the area. So, now I have nothing. I'm exhausted, I'm pissed, I'm miserable, I'm at work, I have no bud and no opie, and he and his buddies ate 55$ worth of food.
Now, I have a right to be pissed, correct? Some people are telling me no, that I can't blame him. But at the same time, I go out of my way to make sure everything is perfect when i trip. I'm planning a meditation session on friday... I want to see if I can get a breakthrough (lemon juice plus these caps we got). I've already gotten everything planned out, but I can't even start because I've got so much negative energy over this shit. Gah! So, sorry for venting. But seriously, if someone fucks up royally while they're high/tripping/rolling/spun/whatever, do you get pissed at them? Or do you let the substance be an excuse?
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: wiggles]
#5919150 - 07/31/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you blame an accident on the driver being drunk, or is it the responsibility of the driver? Fuck them dude, that shit is totally fucked. Get him to pay for the food, and then some. Theres no way shrooms should be an excuse for that.
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: wiggles]
#5919173 - 07/31/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Put the smack-down on his ass....! The more you all let it happen, then more it is gonna~ happen....
If he can't handle his shit when he is fucked up, then he is not allowed to get fucked-up, or he moves out....
Pretty simple from my perspective.... May not be that cut and dry from your perspective.... 
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5919247 - 07/31/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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agreed.
no substance is ever an excuse for behavior. consider this: you rob a store high on crack. they let you off, because, well you were high, so you can't be blamed.
seriously, tell your f#ck off roomate to pay up and make some shit right, or get to packing and get the f#ck out! give him like 24 hours tops.
yup, I sure am an a##hole, but such is life.
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: monstermitch]
#5919279 - 07/31/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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uh... i mean i agree that he should cover the cost of food and it would be nice of him to give you something for smoking that opium, but if you don't want poeple waking you up in the middle of the night and doing all that shit make it clear you don't want tripping poeple in the house.
tripping poeple don't have the ability to be quiet or not eat food as thier coming down. i've done the same thing a bunch of times, i honestly don't think it would be possible for me to do any differnt.
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: truekimbo2]
#5919316 - 07/31/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The issue isn't that they were tripping. I don't mind tripping or when people do it, and I've had to help people through a few bad trips. What does bother me is that he was going to his friend's house to trip. He then wandered back to our house, where I was sleeping (his reason for leaving) and continued to wake everyone up, and be a nuisance.
Personally, even when i have very intense trips, I have never really gotten out of control. I normally lay down in a dark room, turn my lights low or off, and let the mushrooms talk to me. I don't strip to my skivvies and walk 2 miles across town.
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: wiggles]
#5919344 - 07/31/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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sounds like your more serious about your shroom experiences than your wild alcohol influenced friend. glad your a part of this community instead of him.
next time you should probably keep things hidden, especialy your headies.
best wishes to you.
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: wiggles]
#5919355 - 07/31/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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These things happen when you have roommates.
Did you choose to live with him? Did you know how he acted beforehand? If it was your pipe with your last bit of stuff, shouldn't you have had it in your possession?
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: badchad]
#5919379 - 07/31/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I did know him, and he used to be your average, cool, laid back head. Recently, the only word I can even think of to describe him is an addict. He seems more worried about getting somethign in his system than actually making sure he's prepared, that things are right, etc. Its like its more about getting a fix than enjoying life, and having something there to help accentuate it.
Also, we keep all of our peices and consumables in a safe that he and I each have a key to, that way no one but people we know and trust can get into it.
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: wiggles]
#5919488 - 07/31/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i really think you're overreacting. its fairly rare that poeple sit still and keep to themselves while tripping. on the other hand its fairly common for poeple to impulsively do things while tripping. its also fairly common for poeple not to have the rationality to be considerate of those poeple who aren't in the same state of mind or poeple who have to worry about the future.
talk with him about it, there is nothing wrong with him doing that. its only a problem if you explain to him that it bothers you and he does it again.
if you don't tell him directly and politely the fault is with you.
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: truekimbo2]
#5919555 - 07/31/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel that the tripper still has a responsibility though. You don't just lose memory while tripping, I mean if I told someone I'd be out for the night, and they can sleep, when confronted with the choice to stay at the friend's or return home I'd be thinking about my promise made to my roomie.
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: wiggles]
#5919575 - 07/31/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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it's allll good.
seriously though, theres not much that can be done now so dont let yourself get worked up. if anything get the monetary compensation for what he screwed you over with, and relax this week.
afterall you got a big trip coming up on friday, wouldnt wanna spoil that ;-)
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: evolprim]
#5919924 - 07/31/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Basically, the drug can't be used as an excuse. Granted it does alter ones behavior and you lose some inhibitions, but you still know right from wrong even when your in an altered state of consciousness. Your friend kind of sounds like a dick, even without the drugs. If he doesn't respect your space and property, he should no longer be your roommate. Good luck
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: wiggles]
#5919949 - 07/31/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would be pissed too. You have been disrespected.
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5920149 - 07/31/06 10:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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He ate the food.....kick him the f out
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what a dick, whip out the ban stick and curbside his ass. thats messed up.
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: CptnGarden]
#5920378 - 07/31/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Even if he was tripping, he has tripped before and therefore is famaliar with the effects. You cant use a drug as an excuse once you understand what it does to you. first times and freakouts can be different story , but this is definitly his blame. I would say while they are tripping you need to go easy (still be firm tho) but when they come down ITS ON!!!
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: tocuhe]
#5920629 - 08/01/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Even after drinking too much and I can't stand, talk, or think, I still asked if I could have a coke from the fridge...
You can overlook things on shrooms yes, but there's no excuse for being a blatant asshole. There's no way he sat there that entire time and didn't realize "This isn't my food" or "Look how much we've eaten". He's just a blatant dick, no question about it.
On the off chance that he did just blank out, shrooms make you more aware of what's in your head, if he gave half a shit about you or your room mate, he wouldn't have just completely spaced out so many times like that...
Don't worry about the sleep, that's lost and can't be compensated, you'll pull through... Get the money back... And sometime when you're drunk or something smoke some of his bud and just tell him "oh shit, sorry, I was drunk and forgot it was yours... O well, consider it even for that opium..."
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: StickyWater]
#5920707 - 08/01/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've tripped loads of times(sometimes pretty hard), I got drunk and stoned even more.......But never, I repeat never did I seriously endanger myself or anyone else and I never behaved like an anti-social asshole, like your room mate.
Talk to him, if he doesn't change.......kick him the f#ck out of the house.
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Re: Do you blame someone tripping? [Re: wiggles]
#5921141 - 08/01/06 06:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everyone here has more or less stated what i am going to say, but talk with your roomie. If he cant understand that one, he ate your food and smoked your opie, hes got a problem, and two that he didnt remember any of what he did, or the conversations you had with him before and during, hes got a problem.
If your afraid hes turning into an addict, you need to tell him that. He cant know hes hurting you if he has a problem, and doenst realize it, he could be really sick in the head. You need to voice your concerns in a mature, respectfull way as to try to help you buddy. I hope every thing works out for the best. Good Luck.
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