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The beginning and the end
#5918678 - 07/31/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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debate is the eternal something have a sense of self, is it personal, can creation be explained as things existing because they can, and nature really has no conscious, things exist because all things became through the right conditions, but what eternally created the right conditions? what is chief eternal source of all conditions, you can trace it back as far as you want, but eventually you'll have to ask yourself the question, how did the beginning of these conditions arisen, and the only conclusion is something that is and always was,
and something that is and always was transcends time/space, meaning it everywhere and nowhere, it is in every moment but is separate from that moment, it is the trancendence of the something comming from nothing, I think philosphy can be a powerful tool for reasoning because in corrilated that an eternal element, this eternal element must have properities, and one propriety is that it is completely transparent and invisiblie to those that are bound by space/time, it takes up no space, and its capacity has no bounds towards time,..........so its basically things and no things, its consious and unconsious, its true and false, its solid and its imaginary, its restricted and its unrestricted, but the interesting twist to all this, is if was consious to a certain degree, would it take a consious step towards disrupting the natural order that it pocesses, for it is the chief reason for all the someones, the eternal someone is the extension of the eternal something, for all consiousness was manifest ed out of this eternal something to a certain degree, as humans have freewill, this eteranl something has a greater freewill for its restrictions are boundless to space/time,
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Re: The beginning and the end [Re: capliberty]
#5918688 - 07/31/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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"Everything can include nothing.. Nothing can not include everything..." -Unknown :p
[Can it!?]
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Re: The beginning and the end [Re: capliberty]
#5918701 - 07/31/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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how did the beginning of these conditions arisen, and the only conclusion is something that is and always was
That's not the conclusion I would draw. I would conclude that, as you say, you can trace causes and conditions back as far as you want, and keep going, and going, and going, and going. Causes and conditions have existed from beginningless time. There has never been a first cause.
Boggles the mind, don't it?
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Re: The beginning and the end [Re: Fractalated]
#5918759 - 07/31/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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one celled organisms, with an intelligent design...
-------------------- Evolution of Time.
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Re: The beginning and the end [Re: Fractalated]
#5918854 - 07/31/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Now observing that pattern of an endless cycle of cause n effect, it is infinite, now your talking an infinite energy that self manifesting,if there is an absolute nothing it would still be an absolute nothing, so there alway was a something, so "things" have an eternal element, whatever things is, things could be anything that trancends nothingness, but see this eternal element that defines things, and ensures things will alway be apart from nothing, and the only way ensure that is to have a sense of "self". consiousness that recognizes that seperation from nothing from something, what was the soul self that was created from which all otherselves where defined, the spirit is manifested from the body, but body can be manifested by the spirit
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Re: The beginning and the end [Re: capliberty]
#5919102 - 07/31/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The sense of self is just an illusion though. You're right, there has always been something. But something is always changing into something else. It's a basic property of reality that you can see anytime, anywhere. A famous French chemist a few centuries ago said "Rien ne se cree, rien ne se perd. Tout se transforme." Or nothing is born, nothing dies, everything is transforming. It is the law of impermanence.
-------------------- "Now that the principalities and the powers stockpile weapons of mass destruction, contaminate the earth with their feverish industry, release floods of images to trigger insatiable desires, treat animals and humans as commodities and functions of a market, the devil must be grinning from ear to ear."
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