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A good book about Buddhism...???
    #5918570 - 07/31/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know much about Buddha but I want to...

I know I could pick up any book about Buddhism but any suggestions in particular before I do so?


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and even cleanses those places
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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #5918576 - 07/31/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I like Thich Nhat Hanh


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: leery11]
    #5918653 - 07/31/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Seconded.

OP: What aspect of Buddhism would you like to learn more about? Or just in general? I found "The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching" by Hanh to be a wonderful and detailed read.


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: Fractalated]
    #5918897 - 07/31/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"more directed towards practice than theory"

Seems to be a key line,... :wink:


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: Gomp]
    #5919266 - 07/31/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

here's an exerpt from Thich Nhat Hanh
http://www.dharmamemphis.com/buddhism/fifth_precept.htm

I have a challenging time with this.


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: leery11]
    #5919319 - 07/31/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

As do I. Especially with regards to intoxicants. I can see that sometimes it is irresponsible and unhealthy to yourself and others to use intoxicants. But I think there are times where it is safe to use intoxicants responsibly. Such as when you aren't around children, no one will be driving, you have no responsibilities the next day, and you don't go to excess. When used like that, I'm not sure if I can understand why one shouldn't use intoxicants.


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: Fractalated]
    #5919341 - 07/31/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well Thich explains it very well if you read all that. It's about "I" using intoxicants.... why care about "I".

For instance, if you are a responsible drinker, never getting drunk... most people aren't, and you are giving money to support their habits by supporting the industry.

as for psychedelics, if they are acceptable given that they don't inherently cause heedlessnes ( i just found this good article on them relating to the 5th precept http://www.columbia.edu/~jlh2104/doorsofperception.html ) if your psychedelic of choice is LSD.... you are supporting a harmful drug market, and many many people who buy LSD do not have the purest of intentions when using.

whereas, if you grew your own mushrooms and did not give them to others, the problem is simplified.... except, many people who buy spores buy so they can sell mushrooms in bulk, or so they can trip dangerously and irresponsibly.

and of course, you could buy from a psychedelic church, but those tend to get shut down :frown:

you could get legal entheogens, but lots of kids get legal entheogens to get messed up because they can't score pot.

perhaps the best route would be to join a peyote church if you have access to them...... otherwise the problem with irresponsible use is infinitely confounded by our culture and our repressive laws.

but yeah. i haven't done anything other than had 1 beer and various coffees and caffeines in 4 months. i'm not sure what to do though because i have a desire to expand at faster than my default rate of progress.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: leery11]
    #5919366 - 07/31/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

leery11 said:
i'm not sure what to do though because i have a desire to expand at faster than my default rate of progress.




Then apply yourself more, actively change your rate of progress.

The more you treat each new day and experience as an incredible oppurtunity to consciously change, learn, and grow, the more one will change. Once you make a habit out of that, then its just going to get insane from there. :lol:

Most people get stuck in routines because they start coasting in routines. Its a choice, made in every instant. What choice are you making right now? Keep asking yourself that. What am I choosing to be, right now?

Be, contemplate, forecast, plan, act, be. :wink:

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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5919377 - 07/31/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

that's true but i guess i have some objections that i can't grasp right now.

i guess, in part i need to do a lot more living in reality, and less isolation, becuase this is how i'm wired to be happy. so i think as a compromise some useage of light doses of things would give me a good motivation to be spiritual, but it would substitute spending hours and hours on end in meditation, instead of doing other things.

i'm not sure if there's a real worng way, it's just that i need to be wise and careful.

inspiration is a key factor though, it's hard to have a will power or feel things other than hopeless, and in the past the druggies when used properly have definitely helped me with that, and made life a lot more inspiring.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: leery11]
    #5919411 - 07/31/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I wasn't speaking in regards to drug use in the slightest, simply responding to your comment. I am known to actively utilize drugs as part of my path to higher awareness and personal development.

I must re-emphasize my point, as well. If you wish to change yourself, or change to a greater degree, perhaps at a faster rate, then you need to become more conscious in the ways you use your mind. It is your precise thoughts that are ultimately creating who you are - that dialogue forms you.

Affirmation works as long as you give it intention, purpose, and meaning. I presume you own a copy of the Handbook to Higher Consciousness by Ken Keyes Jr.? Great stuff.

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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5919419 - 07/31/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

nope not at all. i've heard about it though...... i will look into it.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: leery11]
    #5919451 - 07/31/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'll second that. I started it on the comedown of a mindblowing experience, per the recommendations of Icelander. :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: Fractalated]
    #5919472 - 07/31/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, well, he only suggested it to be cool. :tongue:

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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: Fractalated]
    #5919622 - 07/31/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Fractalated said:
Seconded.

OP: What aspect of Buddhism would you like to learn more about? Or just in general? I found "The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching" by Hanh to be a wonderful and detailed read.




well an overview of what they're about. so I guess theory.


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #5919824 - 07/31/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

How to Solve our Human Problems:  The Four Noble Truths
by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso

A simply worded, western-aimed, and complete exposition of the stages of the path to enlightenment, as derrived from the Lamrim teachings of Buddha Atisha and transmitted directly from the historic Buddha by a lineage of realization and direct experience. 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0948006...0414258?ie=UTF8


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #5919927 - 07/31/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Also, "The Sun of Wisdom: Teachings on the Middle Way" by Gyamtso is a very good interpretation and commentary on Nagarjuna's verses on emptiness and no-self.


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #5920914 - 08/01/06 02:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The best introduction to Buddhism (the real stuff, the Pali) is not a book, but an abandoned website. This is a real secret, because you have to use the wayback machine to get there.

Try

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

then enter

http://www.buddhadust.org

then click on "Take me back" and pick Mar 24, 2004. Don't tell anyone.  :cool:


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: leery11]
    #5920946 - 08/01/06 03:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That is stupid. The original fifth precept, as it was teached by the historical Buddha, does not mention drugs, it is about alcohol.

If Thich Nhat Hanh tries to present Zen, he presents it in a highly degenerated form - possibly because he's trying to influence what he imagines the West to be. Zen is about the means and ends of achieving a satori experience. It is not about preaching.

Here's a better evaluation of the problem of drugs in the context of Buddhism, from the website I mentioned. It is called having an enlightened attitude.


The general emphasis on Meditation is a product of the drug culture. The current wave of interest in Buddhism in the US began with the end of the Korean War. Korean Vets brought home Zen Buddhism and drug habits. The combination put the lie to the government propaganda about the horrors of drug use, and the sixties saw Pot smoking become almost an acceptable pastime. Pot smoking and later LSD gave people an experience that neither the religion nor the science of the time could explain: there were clearly other ways of experiencing reality than the one that people had been told was the only way of seeing things. This in turn lead to seeking an explanation for these experiences in the religions of other cultures which seemed to be describing the phenomena that were being experienced. For the most part Buddhism was not the choice of these seekers (except for those who followed Carlos Castaneda's Don Juan, who did not reveal the Buddhist underpinnings of his system until very late in the game), but Buddhist teachers noticed the phenomena and came to this country in the hopes of spreading the word about the religion they loved and believed to have the answers to what it was that these seekers were seeking. The aversion of the drug culture to training in ethical culture (what they know as "morality" -- which is living in accordance with the behavioral norms of the times, and is a different thing than living by ethical standards), lead to the emphasis on Meditation Technique and a de-emphasis by these teachers, of the need for training in harmless behavior and other aspects of ethical culture. Big mistake. The "High" state is a very powerful mental condition and one in which "Deeds of Mind" result in huge consequences. People who Get High from drugs or natural means for the most part instinctively know (or have experienced first hand) the power of the state. This results in a sort of experiential self-censorship: without training in self discipline, no matter how intense the meditation training or frequency of drug use, the experience stops at a certain point and the individual turns away or experiences a lengthy period of frustration with his system of choice.

Footnote:
The common portrayal of pot as turning the smoker into a goofy airhead is clearly a misunderstanding based on lack of personal experience. Both Pot and LSD are hypnotic in effect, and they simply create the experience the user expects. The mental state itself is one which is highly concentrated. When this mental state is interrupted, or if it is never entered into by the user, (a common experience of novice thrill-seeking users), there is a period of disorientation which makes the user appear goofy. Left undisturbed the state is conducive to very high level mental work. This is not the problem with drug use. From the Buddhist perspective the problem with drug use is the fact that it does bodily harm (Pot smokers are breathing in Fire!), is a cause of desire, and the untrained individual can do himself immense karmic damage. What a person does to obtain drugs, or what a person on drugs does is a consequence of the training of the individual, not the drug. Moreover, the individual who learns to get high using drugs does not, through that, actually learn to get high, should the drug become unavailable (as in a subsequent birth) he has not trained himself. The accomplishments of the individual who has learned to Get High on his own power travel with him.


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: Nomad]
    #5920958 - 08/01/06 03:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

While Mike Olds does not deny the dangers of drug use, he is very clear in his evaluation that the drug experience is comparable to meditation; this basic insight is also supported by Alan Watts, while Thich Nhat Hanh completely neglects it.


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Re: A good book about Buddhism...??? [Re: Nomad]
    #5921069 - 08/01/06 05:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Alan Watts was a great introduction 35 years ago, as was Philippe Kapleau and Evans Wentz.
I like Thich Nhat Hanh, adore Joko Beck, but learned the most useful little meditation from Nyaponika Thera in "The Heart of Buddhist Meditation".

but if you must go deep, deeper than most buddhists care, and deeper than many of the authors would wish even, deep deep deep underneath it all there is a mapping of the mind called Abhidhamatta Sangaha, ( or manual of Abhidhamma) - It is very difficult to read at first (archaic phrasing and repetitios as if written for oral repetition and memorization), but if you can get through it somehow, it provides an interesting view of citta or mind moments and how they are composed, as well as molecularizing Karma as an attribute of intention in each citta or a resultant feeling in each citta.

Nomad's link is authorative - especially http://web.archive.org/web/2003122422403...a_vipassana.htm is useful.


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