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Offlinetocuhe
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real acid casualities
    #5917457 - 07/31/06 01:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Often when Im tripping on acid, I feel that there is a higher consciousness of some sort connected to me and sometimes even telling me what to do. Imposing its will on me for the betterment of myself. Now, Im wondering, if this is true for others, like those connected high up in the fluff family, is there ever a time when it feels ness. to murder, for whatever reason, but as a part of being one with some higher consciousness, like murder is actually needed in order for the betterment of all mankind? Does anyone with actual information know of pure hearted people working high up in fluff murdering for any reason? Specific details would be much apprieciated, but a simple yes or no will suffice if that is all that can be shared.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: tocuhe]
    #5917465 - 07/31/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

WTF ???
Don't delude yourself man...murder is not OK.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #5917476 - 07/31/06 01:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

WOW dude go see a psychiatrist! I have never heard anyone say something so crazy exept on horror movies go befor you go on some crazy killing quest.

Man this is fucking weird.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: tocuhe]
    #5917482 - 07/31/06 01:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No, murder is never okay. If you're feeling like this all the time, you really should get some help.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: mikeownow]
    #5917484 - 07/31/06 01:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

whoa man. chill.
muurder = no bueno


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: mikeownow]
    #5917490 - 07/31/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Acid acts on your mind. Now it may lead to a force that drives you to do things, but that is still probably deep under your mind. If you are thinking these things, find out if there is something causing trouble deep down inside.

Murder is not OK.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: the_END]
    #5917493 - 07/31/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You need to go see somebody right away. LSD and other psychadelics can bring out people's inner feelings thoughts emotions what have you. This is not normal and other people do NOT have the urge to hurt other people. LSD does not call upon a higher power to direct you in any way at all, it is you. You. Your entire trip is all you. Everything is about you. You need to seek help immediately. Now.

To ToiletDuk: I can't imagine why you have that as your sig. This a forum that people frequent whilst under the influence of psychadelic drugs and you have something that comes at them looking...very...like that. Why? I wish you'd take it off.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: the_END]
    #5917497 - 07/31/06 01:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

damn , yall sure do jump to conclusions. I was not talking about myself killing anyone. I was wondering if there is anything like this connected to those responsible for distrubting quality acid for the purpose of changing lives, but I have no intent to ever harm anyone in such a way. Guess i should have made that clear, but I didnt think i needed to.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: thehandtruck]
    #5917501 - 07/31/06 01:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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thehandtruck said:
You need to go see somebody right away. LSD and other psychadelics can bring out people's inner feelings thoughts emotions what have you. This is not normal and other people do NOT have the urge to hurt other people. LSD does not call upon a higher power to direct you in any way at all, it is you. You. Your entire trip is all you. Everything is about you. You need to seek help immediately. Now.

To ToiletDuk: I can't imagine why you have that as your sig. This a forum that people frequent whilst under the influence of psychadelic drugs and you have something that comes at them looking...very...like that. Why? I wish you'd take it off.




It freaks me out too, but the internet is filled with images like this. It should not be suggested for one on psychedelic drugs to even get on the internet if they will be freaked from something like that.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: tocuhe]
    #5917505 - 07/31/06 01:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

People that fantasize about a certain sexual act are more likely to go out and commit the sexual act.

People that fantasize about shoplifting are more likely to go out and shoplift.

People that fantasize about murder are... yep, you guessed it, more likely to go out and commit murder.

It is NEVER cool to murder someone.

I sincerely suggest seeing a therapist about this before you ruin your life and someone else's.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: Left Nut City]
    #5917533 - 07/31/06 01:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Taking into account my first response: there is a difference between fantasizing about something and simply accepting possiblities. IMO and probably the opinion of any good therapist i would seem , it would be unhealthy to deny all of mankind's ability to kill one another and those desires in us. Realizing the capabilities and accepting them , but NOT acting on them is perfectly healthy.


Anyways, I was coming from a place of this kind of thing, which I will quote a well respected member of our shroomery community (but not use his name to not drag it into this conversation) about the kind of dedication i was talking about , wondering if this could ever lead to murder.

"[LSD is] handled by a brotherhood of people who truelly believe there doing the work of god(or whatever name you call creation). We believe that LSD crystal has to be handled by the right people who are totally commited to the movement.
...You know why they never busted a family lab? Because we would never betray LSD. Just as Jesus was nailed to the cross we were willing to spend the rest of our lives in jail or die to protect what we viewed as the salvation of are species. Sound`s a little dramatic doesn`t it, but i`m trying to give you an understanding of the faith in LSD that the family has. "


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: tocuhe]
    #5917593 - 07/31/06 02:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

interesting, there was a flood of responses, but now there seems to be none. Anyone who understand what Im asking and knows what they are saying having any answers?


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: tocuhe]
    #5917624 - 07/31/06 02:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Stop doing acid NOW!


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: ILoveHofmann]
    #5917663 - 07/31/06 03:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You're all misunderstanding the dude... he doesn't have that shit happening to him, he's just wondering about if it happens.
Christ.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: ILoveHofmann]
    #5917676 - 07/31/06 03:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

your post is confusing..
unless you have these concepts while your sober
I'd have to agree with these guys
about taking a break from tripping for 7 years
and i said years bro...

Otherwise...
i think that everyone has had a strange trip or two...

maybe about there being too many people on the earth
or possibly some grid lock funk... i mean shit man
however tripping is usually a time to have fun , or possibly relax
take it easy


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: tocuhe]
    #5917685 - 07/31/06 03:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I highly doubt it, the family is about spreading love & light....about stopping the killing, not continuing it. Peaceful means my friend, peaceful means.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: Dark_Star]
    #5917860 - 07/31/06 07:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

When I was little I thought everyone, at least men, killed someone at least once in their life :smile:


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: Dark_Star]
    #5917889 - 07/31/06 07:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I highly doubt it, the family is about spreading love & light....about stopping the killing, not continuing it.





Thats the bottom line.
They say suicide is selfish, but theres NOTHING as selfish as killing another human being for your reasons.

If you have any fantasies about killing see a therapist or seek other psychological help. If the urge becomes too strong, let yourself be committed to a psychiatric hospital.

If you're in the diner and a guy barges in and randomly starts shooting people, it could be justified to take the pistol from the dead cop's holster and shoot the spree killer.
Other than as a last resort to stop someones active killing spree, I see no healthy reasoning that justifies homicide, and even then killing is wrong.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: passitbobbie]
    #5917897 - 07/31/06 07:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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When I was little I thought everyone, at least men, killed someone at least once in their life




That's fucked up bobbie :smile:

When I was a kid (I think 8 or so) a friend told me that girls grew a vagina whenb they became women. It seemed logical at the time :wink:


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: Asante]
    #5917965 - 07/31/06 08:31 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You guys should chill out. He is just wondering about 'acid casualties'. He is saying he feels a connection to a greater consciousness that he cant deny and while for him this is good he wonders if it is misinterpreted by others and they go out doing this sort of stuff.

Yeah someone told me that charles manson was into it and stuff - i have heard of people taking LSD and going out to beat people up and stuff like that. I dont know what the source of these are though...

LSD isnt exactly something they test for all that often so i suppose if people do this stuff it isnt all that likely it would be known that they were on acid at the time...


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: mojika]
    #5918527 - 07/31/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

you beat me to it mojika.

can't you guys read? he never said anything about feeling the need to kill poeple....


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5918681 - 07/31/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

hah thanks kimbo and mojika :smile:
I thought the part were I then further claried and said I didnt have any desire to kill should have cleared it up, but I dont know...I guess they are the nuts , not me


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: tocuhe]
    #5919085 - 07/31/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I tripped with this chick who I'd never met before but was the new girl of my tripping buddy. It was her second time tripping and we took moderate amounts. Throughout the course of the night I found out how her brother and father physically and sexually abused her and how she had all these violent thoughts about them and others. She was extremely unstable in the trip and had seemed to be having nightmarish hallucinations. God knows what was going on inside her head.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: onicko721]
    #5920952 - 08/01/06 03:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I hope I get flamed in the most childish way for this:

Some of you clearly have had no meaningful experiences with psychadelics. Your subconcious is a powerful and obvious tool while tripping. If you subconciously want to kill somebody sober, tripping may or may not let you know and remind you of that want. I can't believe you or anybody else is even slightly justifying this. People HAVE killed other people whilst tripping. It HAS happened. Do not think that you are above these people because you have noticed the problem early on. Get help.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: thehandtruck]
    #5920976 - 08/01/06 03:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know if you guys get his post.. he's not trying to say he's being influence by acid to kill people, he's just wondering if it's possible.

Charles Manson dosed people with LSD and talked them into murdering people by playing with their mind... So yeah, read about him if you want to know about how someone has used LSD to murder.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: Ashland]
    #5921026 - 08/01/06 04:35 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I would think murder under the influence of a psychedelic is very likely under the right circumstance and with the right person.The reason for this assumption is the fact that when under the influence of a psychedelic you are able to see clearly your internal programming and inner workings of your mind, and everything thats usually hidden from you and locked away in your subconcious comes to the surface.This could lead to overwhelming and terrifying experiences in certain individuals who arn't as aware of there thoughts and feelings and perhaps who even surpress certain thoughts from surfacing and denying that they exist.Those individuals whose subconcious minds have been flooded by violence may be more apt to commit a murder while there inner "script" is visible and brought to the surface.

The thing i've learnt from a recent trip on mushrooms is that are subconcious controls us, we don't control it.Everything we do and feel is a direct by-product of whats been programmed into our subconcious by society and by the media aswell.Everything that hits our eyes and everything that hits our ears is leaving imprints on our brains and reworking our realitys.This is why we must learn to program our own minds by controling what impinges on our sense organs so that we can design our own realitys.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: DivinePsychosis]
    #5921054 - 08/01/06 05:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

out of our element
the mind speaks to the mind
this needs attention
GOD says no more brain candy for this one


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: tocuhe]
    #5921063 - 08/01/06 05:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I guess it is possible. Didnt the Army, Cia  conduct Acid experiments
on unknowing subjects.  I think, they were trying to make some
killers. I doubt they were trying to make super chefs. :cool:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: tocuhe]
    #5924365 - 08/02/06 03:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

you shoudl join Charlie manson's family... they tripped and then murdered.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5925142 - 08/02/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Someone is probably more likely to kill in a serious fit of rage (by accident), then tripping IMO.

Any one of us could fall to this human flaw. Just as anyone of us could fall into a bad trip. And any one of us can go insane on high doses of LSD and come to conclusions which are not truly our own, but rather greatly influenced by amplified feelings of anger and confusion.

In the end, we are all animals willing to protect our own being to the death.


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Re: real acid casualities [Re: Ginseng1]
    #5925545 - 08/02/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

since you guys dont' appear to understand his question i'll rephrase it for him.

he feels that he came in contact with a higher being under the influence of LSD. he is assuming that other people have come into contact with the same being.
using the poeple that make lsd as an example, he wants more info on poeple who believe in that being and follow its intuitive instructions.
more-so, he wants info on that being, and is wondering if it ever gives instructions harmful to others, for instance killing.

you can substitute the word being for energy or whatever word you like.

i for one have no answers to that question. the higher prescence i've felt on acid i'm going to have to attribute to personal psychological factors.


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