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Omnicracker
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Re: just want some advice [Re: Tippinthru]
#5917368 - 07/31/06 12:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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miles below the earths crust...
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Tippinthru
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Re: just want some advice [Re: xaxphaanes]
#5917373 - 07/31/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Simple/easy... is not always optimal.
I prefer automation. Which is near set it, and forget it. Of course, you don't forget it. So, you look in on it, as needed. Actually, more often than needed.
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Re: just want some advice [Re: Tippinthru]
#5917379 - 07/31/06 12:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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see from what i have read is mono/double tubs are basicly the same i havent read any diffrences in microclimate between the 2
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Re: just want some advice [Re: Omnicracker]
#5917380 - 07/31/06 12:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Omnicracker said: miles below the earths crust...
Nice set-up.
I can lock mine.
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Re: just want some advice [Re: Tippinthru]
#5917387 - 07/31/06 12:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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way more often than needed! and a few more times to be sure. better than television.
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Re: just want some advice [Re: Tippinthru]
#5917389 - 07/31/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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complicated, is often not optimal either.
i wonder how many folks out there have big fancy automated fruiting chambers that actually do more damage to their grows than good, because they're not 'configured' right?
a monotub, with a few holes, left completely alone, performs.
if you want it to perform better, open it a few times a day, mist, and fan.
if you focus on the fundamentals before you worry about complicating things, you will succeed. the best FC in the world isn't going to get you more yields, if you can't get past contams, or can't get a good pinset, etc.
all this showing off of fc pictures does little to encourage the 'owner' of this thread.
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Re: just want some advice [Re: creamcorn]
#5917394 - 07/31/06 12:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i have stared at my fresh pins about 5 times today. I think im gonna take a few pics now.. lol
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Re: just want some advice [Re: creamcorn]
#5917399 - 07/31/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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all this showing off of fc pictures does little to encourage the 'owner' of this thread.
yeah, but im talking a full 17 inches.
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Re: just want some advice [Re: Omnicracker]
#5917404 - 07/31/06 01:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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lets see though
that grow room is missing one thing
mushrooms.
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Re: just want some advice [Re: creamcorn]
#5917419 - 07/31/06 01:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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>>>>complicated, is often not optimal either.
Mine is just a metal Martha. Nothing very complex about that.
Fat ass pins that sometimes stall. Is common place with mono tubs. Most often from lack of, or inconsistent FAE.
There are threads all over about that.
That is my point.
Now, Omni...what about a picture of that 17 inches.
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Re: just want some advice [Re: creamcorn]
#5917420 - 07/31/06 01:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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haha. i know. i had an unbearable loss one hot weekend. pounds upon pounds of colonized substrate wasted. i was trying to jumpinto a new monotub system, but it hasnt been going my way. i actually have my first mushrooms going right now in a monotub. they will be ready in a few days...;)
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Re: just want some advice [Re: Omnicracker]
#5917428 - 07/31/06 01:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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so if i fanned 2-3 times a day then i should be able to get that amnt ? it seems the only downside is the lack of air exhange but that is the same thing the double tub is lacking as well so that would be a simple fix to the problem then
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Re: just want some advice [Re: Omnicracker]
#5917438 - 07/31/06 01:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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here you go tippin, but your have to fight off that peacock if you want to play. 
tomorrow im off to buy some rye to do a quick grow to get ready for ACL fest and boost my confidence. then im going to begin a new grow. wronguys spawnbars --> trays --> martha --> stomach -->outerspace
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Re: just want some advice [Re: Omnicracker]
#5917450 - 07/31/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well thank you for validating my point, if you can't get past the basics you can't get anywhere.
im not picking on you or trying to imply you can't handle the basics, shit happens to the best of us, don't take that the wrong way just sayin...
and yeah, monotubs are simple to set up, but aren't really 'beginner friendly' despite their simple appearance. moisture content is hard to manage with them and a big contributor to those stalled fatties.
often overlooked but really important: they can be dunked though like anything else (carefully pour some water in against the side, it will fill in around and under your substrate block, wait, then carefully drain, or better yet poke some drainage holes underneath and let it run out in a bathtub or something - you can seal those back up with pieces of duct tape). and despite the fact that most believe you can just leave them be, once you've applied a casing layer if you manually intervene with some fanning and misting, you can greatly improve your end results. its really not THAT hard, it just takes a bit of an experienced eye and being 'in tune' with your grows' needs. it doesn't HAVE to be complicated to work, and it can work very very well.
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Re: just want some advice [Re: creamcorn]
#5917547 - 07/31/06 01:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have the basics down i have about 15 grows that were successful just getting the downside and upside of this tek and seeing where i can improve to get a better result thanks all for the comments
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Re: just want some advice [Re: xaxphaanes]
#5917561 - 07/31/06 02:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I apologize, if I threw you off course.
P. Stamets calls for 1 to 3 FAE's per hour, during the pinning/fruiting stage. Doing that by hand (to me) would be a great pain. That is why I chose automation.
Sure, it took a little to set up, and fine tune. But, once done, I can leave it alone 4 days, at a stretch. On the fourth day, all I have to do is refill a water reservoir.
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Re: just want some advice [Re: Tippinthru]
#5918162 - 07/31/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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> P. Stamets calls for 1 to 3 FAE's per hour,
P. Stamets also claims you can't grow shiitakes from spore, so you have to take his advice with a grain of salt.
1-3 per day is the max I would do.
-FF
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Re: just want some advice [Re: fastfred]
#5919721 - 07/31/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol thanks fastfred
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Re: just want some advice [Re: fastfred]
#5920286 - 07/31/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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fastfred said: 1-3 per day is the max I would do. -FF
... thats not good advice. FF, are you seriously saying that 1-3 FAExchanges per DAY is the maximum you would do? thats dumb like dum.
the more FAE the merrier, as long as you can keep your Humidity up.
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Re: just want some advice [Re: Omnicracker]
#5920357 - 07/31/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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my martha has FAE all day long..
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