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potency chart
    #5915548 - 07/30/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Being that there are so many strains of mushrooms
and so many methods for growing
i thought I'd get peoples opinion on
potency, and possibly cultivation tips, growing mediums etc.

considering I've only grown mushrooms once it would be nice to find a potent strain thats easy to grow. :crazy2:

Or just lemme know what your favorite strain is


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Re: potency chart [Re: oijo_quench]
    #5915584 - 07/30/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Grow whichever strain you like, but grow it on a good substrate like horse poo to increase potency. Browse the forums and look at pictures of grows and then try the strain that looks appealing to you. Consensus says that potency between cubensis is less relevant than the substrate it was grown on.


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Re: potency chart [Re: TODAY]
    #5915699 - 07/30/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5902016

I've answerd this question sooooooo many times.

it is not as easy as picking a certain "strain" from a vendor.
don't you think everyone would do that?
come on now...

nor is it as easy as growing on poo instead of a brf cake.

it takes luck or work to get potent shrooms that perform well in your environmental setup.

good luck.

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Re: potency chart [Re: monstermitch]
    #5915735 - 07/30/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm pretty sure consensus says that poop grown shrooms grown under the same conditions as brf cakes (same fruiting chamber) will produce different potencies. The poop grown shrooms will be more potent. Growers...what are your opinions? I thought this was consensus.

I've only done brf and wbs and I can't say there was a difference because I don't remember and I didn't do any controlled dosage experiments with myself or friends.


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Re: potency chart [Re: TODAY]
    #5915801 - 07/30/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the difference is that brf cakes are over half vermiculite.
which has, as we all know, zero nutrient value.

so over half, say two thirds, of your substrate your comparing there has no nute value.

so factor that into your comparison,
if you go over to mush/cult you will see countless discussions on this topic.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5913499/an/0/page/0
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5897332
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5841944

just search if you want to read opinions,
no need to ask them all to respond again,
for they do so often on this topic.


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Re: potency chart [Re: monstermitch]
    #5916192 - 07/30/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Ok,
Growing mediums/ fertilizer having to do with potency makes sense

on another page someone was recommending rye as well
and as far as strains i did a bit of digging to find some recommended ones

Treasure Coast
Mazatape
Amazonian
Creeper

are all saposed to be fairly good


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Re: potency chart [Re: monstermitch]
    #5916255 - 07/30/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

okay, I'm seeing alot of respectable members saying opposite things.  I am also seeing a lack of scientific proof regarding the potency potential of different substrates.

Personally, I am a low dose tripper (1 gram or so) on most occasions so potency is trivial to me.  The best methods then, IMO, are the easiest methods and that has been grain over brf for me.  Thanks for the links monstermitch :thumbup:


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Re: potency chart [Re: TODAY]
    #5916308 - 07/30/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

TODAY said:
I am seeing a lack of scientific proof regarding the potency potential of different substrates.





exactly.
no problem.
we're all looking for the right answers.


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Re: potency chart [Re: monstermitch]
    #5916570 - 07/30/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to find some solid recipes using horse dung as well as grain that i wont mess up



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Re: potency chart [Re: oijo_quench]
    #5916748 - 07/30/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: potency chart [Re: monstermitch]
    #5916821 - 07/30/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You have gotten so sick of answering the same questions that you link to the monkey
:rofl2:
I feel your pain, I see the same Q's every day but don't answer them , It must drive you insane


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Re: potency chart [Re: UnderNose]
    #5916868 - 07/30/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the monkey makes it okay


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Re: potency chart [Re: monstermitch]
    #5917609 - 07/31/06 02:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Cool, thats totally what i was looking for
Wronguys directions were awesome
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/remlinke...12&Main=5718727
I just don't have the bag sealer nor a pressure cooker

possibly i could make due with a steamer and some twist ties?
ha ha who knows...

well thanks for all the advice, and links
i totally feel a couple steps closer towards
growing some dank mushrooms


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Re: potency chart [Re: oijo_quench]
    #5917614 - 07/31/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Cool, thats totally what i was looking for
Wronguys directions were awesome
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/remlinke...12&Main=5718727
I just don't have the bag sealer nor a pressure cooker

possibly i could make due with a steamer and some twist ties?
ha ha who knows...

well thanks for all the advice, and links
i totally feel a couple steps closer towards
growing some dank mushrooms


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Re: potency chart [Re: oijo_quench]
    #5917623 - 07/31/06 02:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just simply grow on whole brown rice. No PC, no glovebox, no fancy fruiting chamber...just plain and simple.....and I have very small but very potent shrooms


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Re: potency chart [Re: ILoveHofmann]
    #5917894 - 07/31/06 07:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

you cannot steam grains.
period.

they have to be pressure cooked.
if you really want to grow shrooms, it costs money,
and time, and research.

the corners you cut will ruin everything, so don't bother.
do it the prescribed way or don't bother trying.

that will save you lots of frustration.


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Re: potency chart [Re: monstermitch]
    #5918635 - 07/31/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Works for me.


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Re: potency chart [Re: ILoveHofmann]
    #5918728 - 07/31/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well thats good information,
but your negative insite on what i thought was somewhat humorous has made this thread suck


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Re: potency chart [Re: oijo_quench]
    #5919037 - 07/31/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:dragon:

p. cubensis:  Malabar or South American

spore inoculated LC.

LC inoculated into sterilized grain of choice (I like wild bird seed or millet)

colonized grain spawned to pasteurized bulk substrate of choice (I like horse poo and coco coir)

casing layer applied upon 100% colonization of bulk substrate

fruiting conditions applied to cased bulk substrate

eat lots of fruits

as for tips, I'll shoot a pm.


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Re: potency chart [Re: monstermitch]
    #5924361 - 08/02/06 03:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It isnt really that hard a question to answer, so im surprised no one really did.
The most potent species of Psilocybes are woodlovers, followed generally by some grasslovers (Ps.semilanceata) and some dunglovers (Panaeolus) - Cubensis are generally less potent than these, although there are obviously exceptions.
In terms of strains - some strains are more likely to yield decent flushes from multispore innoculations and are more likely to produce more potent indole contents (Stivje and Demeijer found a difference in psilocin content maxima in too different strains of cubensis in 1993).
Go with hardy strains like cambos, or any healthy strain. B+ are the least potent of any spore race ive tried - four separate isolates barely strains blue or yielded much potency - 5 dried grams was required at least...

In terms of substrates - dont believe the above. It comes down to the tryptophan precursor content of the substrate and its nitrogen levels. Millet has VERY high tryptophan content as demonstrated in a previous post of Starters - and BRF has the lowest of any substrate around.
Manure and straw have high nitrogen, but their tryptophan contents arent as high as rye or millet, hence the reason the most potent cubies are grown off millet or rye, even if you mix this 50/50 with verm like a pf cake.


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Re: potency chart [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5927209 - 08/02/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

heh mushrooms are darn interestin


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Re: potency chart [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5927253 - 08/02/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

bluemeanie said:
Millet has VERY high tryptophan content as demonstrated in a previous post of Starters - and BRF has the lowest of any substrate around.




Millet doesn't have THAT high of a tryptophan content. BRF has 3/4 of the tryptophan content of that of millet's.


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Re: potency chart [Re: Anno]
    #5927688 - 08/03/06 02:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm wondering if all these mediums are so hard to work with what the Cubensis usually grow on in the wild???

and for that matter how long is it before we start growing more potent strains of mushrooms...


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Re: potency chart [Re: oijo_quench]
    #5927807 - 08/03/06 04:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

We already can easily grow more potent SPECIES of mushrooms than P. cubensis, for instance P. cyanescens, Psilocybe cyanescens and Panaeolus cyanescens.


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Re: potency chart [Re: Anno]
    #5928427 - 08/03/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

lol
not to seem un thankful,
but your information is far to loose for me
and every other person posting contradicts the other..

You need to be there in the room with them with a bull wip,
get those bastard on the right path


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Re: potency chart [Re: Anno]
    #5933970 - 08/05/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I replied to this somewhere else as well.
Uma Guma and a few others examined a wide variety of precursors found in BRF, millet, rye and something else that was popular back then to see what varied to explain the variation in potency between BRF and other substrates - the consensus was that tryptophan varied more than the other know or measured precursors.
Other studies suggest that tryptophan isnt that significant a precursor and I was aware of a few of these.
Doesnt make my point that BRF is an inferior substrate any less true.


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