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Mike_yy


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Ecstasy related eye thing ?
#5914674 - 07/30/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used to take E alot, in large amounts about 3-4 times a week for around 2 years when i was clubbing alot more than i do now. Those pills will rarely have been pure MDMA.
After about a year and a half of taking them, i had one of my nights out as usual, then my friends and i went back to my house for a smoke. It's must of been about 6 in the morning i decided i needed a piss so i dragged myself to the toilet, when i got in there i looked in the mirror and noticed straight away that my left eyes pupil was massive. It was just black and white hardly any iris left at all. My right hand eye looked same as normal.
Ever since then, whenever i'm tired/stoned/drunk my left pupil dilates alot more than my right. Kinda freaks me out abit. Ive had that for 3 years now so i know i'm not in any immediate danger, and that's how long it's been since i took any E.
Does anybody know what this might be, or has anyone ever had anything similar ?
Ive been to the docs about something else to do with my eyes, when she was shining the light in she hovered over my left eye alot longer than my right but i forgot to say anything at the time.
Thank you for any comments.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#5914709 - 07/30/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Could be related to the blood flow to that hemisphere of your brain or perhaps just your eye. Maybe something benign happened to your optic nerve? Obviously it's nothing too serious, but it is strange, you may want to see your eye doc.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Fractalated]
#5914736 - 07/30/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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hmm maybe. It doesn't hurt and my vision is still 20/20, like you say it is strange. I was wondering how rare it is amongst E users, i'm almost 100% sure it's E related.
I mean i wonder how they fix something like that.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#5915012 - 07/30/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Since you only notice this when you're under the influence, it's possible that your perception is skewed. Before you try to figure out how to fix it, you should make sure that you're in fact perceiving things correctly. Try asking a friend or two if they notice any difference in your pupil size the next time you think that you notice something.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Fractalated]
#5915036 - 07/30/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah i have asked friends, it's not really something that goes without noticing ( though people don't usually notice till i point it out ). I get it if i'm tired too.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#5915067 - 07/30/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok I just did a little online reading. If when this happens your pupil doesn't respond and constrict when exposed to light (if someone shines a light on your eye and your pupil doesn't shrink), then you may have a condition.
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Mydriasis: Dilation of pupils to greater than 6 mm combined with failure of the pupils to constrict when stimulated with light. This condition may occur due to injury of the pupillary fibers in the oculomotor nerve, in acute angle-closure glaucoma, and in ADIE SYNDROME.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#5915071 - 07/30/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I could be wrong, but one pupil being much larger than the other can indicate some types of brain damage...
I would contact a doctor about it just to be safe.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: trendal]
#5915138 - 07/30/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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That sounds rough, though not entirely impossible given the amount of abuse i have given myself in the past.
Only thing that goes against that is that i feel completely normal. Maybe i should get it checked just to be on the safe side, obviously it's not a common as i thought it might be.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#5915150 - 07/30/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Only thing that goes against that is that i feel completely normal.
The problem with a lot of forms of minor brain damage is that you can't feel anything at all from it.
I've seen a man before who had a brain tumor that had gone unnoticed for far too long. He was showing VERY obvious signs of brain malfunction - couldn't talk right, walk properly, that kind of thing - but when asked he kept saying he felt "perfectly normal". It was quite an odd thing to see...
Definitely get it checked out! At the very least, it'll let you know what's going on.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#5915155 - 07/30/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not "maybe I should get it checked out". Go call a doctor right now. Be honest with them about what you think the cause might have been (but be careful not to get labeled a drug abuser). Things like this are exactly the sorts of things that doctors can treat if you go in early, but can cripple you or kill you if you go in later. I've watched a lot of people die of cancer because they thought "maybe I should go get it checked out" and then waited two or three months to do anything. By that time, it was too late to do anything but die from it. If your optic nerve is damaged, your doctor needs to know about it, so that the doctor can treat and chart the progress of the damage. The doctor could do something as simple as ignore it or give you an antibiotic eyedrop, but if you don't get that sort of thing, then it could lead to blindness.
You are not qualified to decide if you should see a doctor or not. Only a doctor can make that decision. Generally, the rule is if you think you need to go see a doctor, and you aren't a doctor yourself, you need to go do it.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: tomk]
#5915246 - 07/30/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm usually always honest with my doc, i don't think it's cancer because ive had it for around 3 years. I can feel that my eyelid on my left side feels slightly heavier than that my right ( i don't notice my right at all ). Again that's not really visable unless i point it out to somebody ( and i only get it while i'm under an influence/tired ).
I might just be connecting things here but sometimes ( only when i'm stoned/drunk ) i get a numb tingly feeling on the left side of my face. It feels like it's being tickled very gently.
Ive never really worried about it but there's a chance i may have had a minor stroke in the past. I'm only 23 though, and my sight remains good.
Something else that could cause it is a viral infection, but me having it for 3 years sorta rules that out. Anything else is to do with nerve/muscle damage within the eye, which i guess excessive drug taking could cause, but then maybe excessive drug taking could cause a stroke in sensitive individuals too.
Shit yeah i'm gonna go get it checked, i don't want something small turning into something big if it doesn't have too.
Thanks for your help people !
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#5915263 - 07/30/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Herpes is a viral infection that can lay dormant for years. You absolutely cannot use common sense in making judgements about whether or not to see a doctor.
That numb feeling you have is definately nerve related. Definately get it checked out. It sounds like when your pupil dilation changes, you get some pressure on a nerve in your eye. Make sure to emphisize the nerve feeling in talking with your doctor, because that's one of those things you really want to watch out for.
(I should know I have a god damn neuropathy in my leg from a botched operation)
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: tomk]
#5915303 - 07/30/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll get it checked this week. I honestly didn't think much of it till now. I'm thinking it's probably nerve/muscle damage because when i first noticed it there wasn't anything ( numbness or pain ) to suggest a stroke. I don't know enough about all this though to say anything for sure.
I'll bump this post once i find out just to let you all know what it might be. I'm sure it's E related, and there's definitely something wrong, even though it's never bothered me besides me worrying that i might look abit weird when i'm influenced.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#5915376 - 07/30/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heres a pic anyways,,
This is a normal me.

I know you can't really see my eyes on that.
This is me after 3 cans.

That's just the starts of it, if i look before i go to bed my left pupil will be huge.
I'll let you know how i get on at the docs anyway
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#5915395 - 07/30/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your right pupil looks bigger to me in that last one...
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: ZombieJesus]
#5915514 - 07/30/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol !, sorry. I took that pic through a mirror. You had me thinking what was up then.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Fractalated]
#5915603 - 07/30/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fractalated said: Ok I just did a little online reading. If when this happens your pupil doesn't respond and constrict when exposed to light (if someone shines a light on your eye and your pupil doesn't shrink), then you may have a condition.
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Mydriasis: Dilation of pupils to greater than 6 mm combined with failure of the pupils to constrict when stimulated with light. This condition may occur due to injury of the pupillary fibers in the oculomotor nerve, in acute angle-closure glaucoma, and in ADIE SYNDROME.
They still constrict to light, i just checked it out so that's another one off the list.
Thanks man.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#5918155 - 07/31/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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well thats definately an interesting symptom/syndrome
the only thing that i can think of is some sort of brain issue. i know that after you get smacked in the head, and have a concussion that often times ones pupils will be disproportionately (sp) dialated...
and as you said you were taking pressed pills, which have a statistical likely hood of being several different chemicals, which can do alot of odd things to the body..
if you have insurance i would say use it. get your self a cat scan, mri and so on of your head, and find out whats up
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5943499 - 08/08/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ive been to the doctors today and it turns out to be nerve damage. My eyes constrict perfectly, they don't flicker when i'm looking left/right/up/down. My vision is still 20/20. So he said it's most likely nerve damage 'probably' caused by my old E taking habits, given the time that i noticed the problem i'd say it was too.
Just thought i'd let you all know, .
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#5949964 - 08/10/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello,
I'm curious about what else the doctor had to say about it, is there a treatment for it, will this damage progress when you keep doing the things that cause this dilation and if so what will this lead to, blindness, insanity or does it just make you look funny???? And, why does it come up only when under influence??? I think it's kinda strange that this damage thing only pops up then. As you might have guessed already I got the same thing, only it's not just my pupil that's dilated more than the other, my eyelids are opened wider also and although my pupil still reacts to light it reacts less than my "normal" eye. I've noticed that ephedrine gives the most dramatic effects, almost as if I've got a glass eye or something, but pot, booze, shrooms or GHB do the trick as well. On E and amphetamines my pupils dilate more evenly. I never gave it much consideration but after reading the magic words "nerve damage" you got me worrying, more so because I've had some comments about it lately.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Dexter]
#5950199 - 08/10/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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He didn't say alot to me about it, i was sat in the waiting room an extra 40 minutes with a nightmare of a hangover so i just wanted to get out. I wish i'd have asked more questions now. It's nothing to worry about though, basically it's just that both of your eyes aren't getting the same signal.
That doesn't affect your sight so there's not reason why it would lead to vision loss. He said as long as your vision is fine then there's nothing they can do to help, so i guess we're stuck with it.
I'm not sure why it only happens when under an influence, i get it if i'm tired too. I'll guess and say that drugs play around with the nerve signals, if your nerve is slightly damaged then you take something it might accentuate things.
If you carry on doing the things that caused it there's a good chance you could do more damage, i'm not sure how that would present itself tho. I noticed mine early in the morning, after a night out taking pills then going back to my house for a smoke. So i was tired but pushed beyond my normal limits by the E i took, and i was stoned on top of it all. I think it's all those things together that caused the damage.
If you have the same thing as me your safe so don't worry, but i would go to the docs just to get it checked out. Your pupils constricting differently is a symptom i never had so you had best get it checked just to be safe.
I was worried that i might have had a stroke of something, but if it was anything serious he said my vision would be affected.
Welcome to the club anyway man , looks like this is quite a rare thing amongst drug users.
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Re: Ecstasy related eye thing ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#5953220 - 08/11/06 08:00 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks, my vision is fine also, so I guess it's nothing to worry about, on my next doctor's visit I'll mention it anyway just to be sure. And yes it must be rare, uptil now I never heard of anyone having the same thing.
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