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psychoshroomboy
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amanitas
#5914315 - 07/30/06 07:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey all,
just wondering if anyone could tell me what amanitas feel like to experience.
i know that the chemicals in em are different to the psilocybe ones,and i also heard from a friend that they are more dangerous.
are they dangerous at all? also what is the experience like in terms of visuals and sensation?
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truffleupagus


Registered: 02/19/06
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They can be more dangerous if you use enough of them at one time. The psychoactive chemicals in amanitas are ibotenic acid and muscimol. Ibotenic acid is converted to muscimol in the human body once you consume them. They also contain amounts of muscarine though (I think that's what it's called) and that's the potentially harmful chemical in them. Muscarine is the reason why the Death Cup mushroom is so deadly. Amanita Muscaria contains substantially less muscarine than the Death Cup mushroom but muscarine was first isolated from A. Muscaria. That's why the chemical was named after this species or vice versa.
Based on my experience I've found that as much as 3/4 oz. is a safe amount of A. Muscaria but I would start with considerably less for your first time (maybe around 1/4 oz.).
Amanitas are very different from Psilocybes though, yes. They are psychoactive but it's really not even a "trip" in the conventional meaning of the word. Motor skills are affected and I've heard that the size that things appear may be distorted, though I haven't really experienced this myself. It can be a pleasant and enjoyable sensation that you get from them but you have to learn to appreciate them for what they are and do.
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Afroshroomerican
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(this is all from knowledge not from actual experience)
Yeah amitas can be potentionally dangerous and are known to cause nausea more so than psyilocybes.
They are called "fairytale mushrooms" becuase they are the ones you usualy see in fairytale books.
Most notably, Alice in Wonderland. The shrooms seen in the video are amitas and cause Alice to think she's larger and smaller. And it's said Lewis Carol was both an amitas user and opium user
(hence the really laxed hookah-smoking catapillar and the size distortions)
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astraalialma
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truffleupagus said: .. They also contain amounts of muscarine though (I think that's what it's called) and that's the potentially harmful chemical in them. Muscarine is the reason why the Death Cup mushroom is so deadly. Amanita Muscaria contains substantially less muscarine than the Death Cup mushroom but muscarine was first isolated from A. Muscaria. That's why the chemical was named after this species or vice versa.
Error in the bold text? Read this..
Death cap:
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It contains two types of toxins spread throughout the mushroom thallus: phallotoxins (phalloidin, phalloin, phallisin, phallicidin) and amatoxins (amanitin, amanin, amanullin). The toxin most responsible for the deadly effects of the Death Cap is alpha-amanitin.
Muscarine:
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Muscarine poisoning is characterized by increased salivation, sweating (perspiration), and tearflow (lacrimation) within 15 to 30 minutes after ingestion of the mushroom. With large doses, these symptoms may be followed by abdominal pain, severe nausea, diarrhea, blurred vision, and labored breathing. Intoxication generally subsides within 2 hours. Deaths are rare, but may result from cardiac or respiratory failure in severe cases. The specific antidote is atropine.
source: wikipedia
And to that last sentence about antidote atropine:
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There is a great deal of confusion concerning these toxins, and much misinformation about their treatment. Atropine is NOT indicated in cases of poisoning by ibotenic acid or muscimol but is frequently cited as a treatment for A. muscaria poisonings in the medical literature, where the toxin is erroneously listed as muscarine! Atropine's effects are close to those of ibotenic acid, and may even exacerbate the symptoms.
http://www.namyco.org/toxicology/poisoning.html
So there is an error in wikipedia too?
Edited by astraalialma (07/30/06 08:17 AM)
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truffleupagus


Registered: 02/19/06
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I was just going by what it says in the book that I've been reading with regard to muscarine. All the info in the book might not be totally accurate. I do vaguely remember it mentioning phallotoxins and amatoxins though.
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thedudenj
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actually as far as dose i find 1-3.5g to work pretty good but you need experiance to be able to feel that low of a dose i find that to be way more visual. best way is to go in to trance and then you can leave your body and just be somewhere else. i recomend making cheese eggs with sage,amanita,{optional)cannabis,wormwood,and small amount of cream or milk. another way is making tea from that stuff and yet another is smoking that blend. you can mix and match or do all three. amanita effects vary alot
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Mike_yy


Registered: 10/28/05
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I'm glad you pointed that out.
I don't know much about your last edit though.
Edited by Mike_yy (07/30/06 02:21 PM)
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kotik
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Quote:
Afroshroomerican said: (this is all from knowledge not from actual experience)
this wouldnt be the shroomery without every random person chiming in about something they have never experienced...
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