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Tippinthru
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Re: Grain Substrates vs. BRF [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5916412 - 07/30/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I never have either.
My significant other did several, trying to come up with a super cake recipe.
After awhile, he quit. Simply because a h/poo or compost tray spawned with colonized wbs, or grain, and cased dramatically outperformed any cake mix he ever made.
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monstermitch
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Re: Grain Substrates vs. BRF [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5916435 - 07/30/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: LOL. This argument will never be settled. We've seen it time and time again, with all the same points and counterpoints made over and over every single time. I can see some future civilization with nanoprobes instead of red blood cells flowing in their veins, saying "BRF is better because. . . ." with some blue skinned dude with three eyes arguing back about triptophans and other percursors.
I need someone to teach me how to make a pf cake. I've never to this day done one...lol RR
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Re: Grain Substrates vs. BRF [Re: coda]
#5916815 - 07/30/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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coda said:IME brf doesnt suck because of the potency issues, it sucks because there are easier, cheaper, and more efficient methods available.
this is how i should have worded my post earlier. I've had great trips off BRF and never doubted potency, but as an economics/business major i have issues with efficiency.
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Re: Grain Substrates vs. BRF [Re: CantiSama]
#5916958 - 07/30/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well i didn't mean to start this argument back up... I just wanted to know why i should try grain substrates. I made a couple of quart jars this afternoon with white, and red hulled millet in them. I got wild bird seed and used my strainer to remove the sunflower seeds...
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Oatman2000
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you can colonize a qt jar of wbs or rye alot faster than a 1/2 pt. jar of brf.
you can shake grains, and have them colonize in 10 days. This increases times also, as well as being all organic.
grains are better... IME
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Re: Grain Substrates vs. BRF [Re: Oatman2000]
#5918180 - 07/31/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think the vermiculite needs to be calculated into the BE. You have to treat the substrate as a homogeneous entity.
Otherwise you would come up with the same BE for BRF and PF mix. The PF mix should be lower for BE than straight BRF, but when you factor in the amount of BRF in each one you would see that the verm adds to the BE per gram of BRF.
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mr_minds_eye
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I used to do PF cakes. The n I quit being able to find the really premo vermiculite that I was used to (big squishy chunks) Instead all I could find was this really fine grainy stuff that looked like sand (or mud when it was wet) So I went Rye ($0.69lb) Cheap and efficient. Much easier sinse you don't have to fuck with a mixture. Plus vermicultie seems to get fucking EVERYWHERE. God damn that stuff is a pain in the ass to work with. Now since gas is so damn expensive ($10 round trip to get it from the only place in town plus a 45 min round trip) I have been using Kroger brand bird seed $1 for a 5lb bag. The mycelium seems to like it and its not inconvienient to aquire. So that is my case for whole grain. As far as strain goes, Mazapec is of reasonable potency and of the strains I have worked with (EQ, PB, PR, GT, Z-strain, South American, African, Haw., Maz, Ossira Indian, Brazilian, Mexican) it is the fastest colonizer by far. The first time I worked with it I thought that I had a cobweb mold contam problem in fact. I just hadn't seen anything go so quickly.
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Re: Grain Substrates vs. BRF [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#5928100 - 08/03/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would revise my earlier statement about including vermiculite in the BE equation. If you say the BE for "BRF" then you wouldn't include it, but if you say the BE for "PF mix" or "verm/BRF" it should be included. That should keep things clear when figuring things out.
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