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raycharles2011
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Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid *DELETED*
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: raycharles2011]
#5913128 - 07/29/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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when they hit the top, they'll bend and keep growing... the lid wont stop them. you can eat pins, but i wouldn't do that, you can wait til they get big and eat them then. as far as a dried 1 inch cap with a 4 inch stem.... not very much dried.
you can't really tell how many grams any certain mushroom will weigh just by the size... it'll be about 1/10th of the wet weight though.
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid *DELETED* [Re: liamtheloser]
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: raycharles2011]
#5913199 - 07/29/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Using the quart jar as a reference to compare size to what your mushrooms look like, I'd say half of what is in that jar would do you. Some eat more, some less. RR
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5913507 - 07/29/06 11:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You should check out the dosage calculator.
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5914165 - 07/30/06 05:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's a pretty looking jar and all, but how exactly do you get the mushrooms out of it intact? Long tweezers?
Or do you pour some clear gel of some sort in that will harden and preserve the mushrooms, and make it into a display shroomjar. Or if not, it's a novel idea 
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: raycharles2011]
#5914370 - 07/30/06 08:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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When you pick the shrooms, pick them all at once, pins and all. Yes, you can and should eat the pins. As already said, dry weight will be about 1/10 of the wet weight. If you don't have a scale, buy one from oldwillknott on ebay. He's got quality scales at good prices.
PS- you could have made your own kit for less than $20.
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: FooMan]
#5914427 - 07/30/06 08:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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FooManShroom said:
PS- you could have made your own kit for less than $20.
your right I was counting it up in my head when I saw the picture and it looks like you could get everything there at walmart for about $40 + - which I would safley bet is where all of that came from with a 200% markup
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: FooMan]
#5914519 - 07/30/06 09:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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FooManShroom said: When you pick the shrooms, pick them all at once, pins and all. Yes, you can and should eat the pins. As already said, dry weight will be about 1/10 of the wet weight. If you don't have a scale, buy one from oldwillknott on ebay. He's got quality scales at good prices.
PS- you could have made your own kit for less than $20.
I've seen some nasty arguments over this one. and the end result of them is that you seem to be wrong.
see, when primordia forms, it will often form the primordia for the first two or three flushes all at the same time. you could have 100 pins, but only 30 will grow. 30 shrooms, 70 pins. But only about five have black caps. those ones with dark blue to black caps are aborts. Pick the mature shrooms and the aborts. DO NOT PICK THE HEALTHY PINS. you can even dunk your casing with the pins right on it, just don't rip them off during dunking and they will be fine. Those pins will sit a few days after dunking and begin to grow. 30 more mushrooms will grow from those 65 remaining pins. and 35 will still be waiting their turn. pick the healthy mature shrooms and whatever aborts are there. dunk again, leaving the pins on the substrate still.
The moral of this story is not to pick and consume pins, unless they have aborted. Because one day they could/should grow to be big shroomies of their own.
much respect foo.
it doesn't always happen like this, but it often does. if the cap isn't black, don't pick the pin.
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: monstermitch]
#5918019 - 07/31/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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IME, pins don't grow much bigger once the first flush is ready for harvest. Sure, they aren't abhorts, but they don't get much bigger anyway. Now, if you have 2 or 3 big shrooms and a bunch of pins, then I would absolutely pick those and leave the pins. Many have reported that pins are higher in alkaloids then fully matured shrooms anyway. So I wouldn't say "DO NOT PICK HEALTHY PINS" like it's some kind of curse I'm sure many people will continue to argue about this. Some just rehash what they've read from others and some argue from their OWN personal experience. I'd like to consider myself the latter.
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: FooMan]
#5918228 - 07/31/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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okay, put it this way...
leave the healthy pins on. like it was a sin to pick them. dunk the substrate. if they fall off, whatever, put them with the harvest. if they stay on, give em a shot.
why not?
they very well could and should grow, you say that they don't grow very big... sounds like a parameter problem or something. no reason why they should grow any smaller than any other shroom/pin that develops.
you want pins. you want pins to mature to shrooms. so why would you ever pick a pin before it becomes a shroom?
yeah, if you have some that are mostly mature and you are doing a harvest and want to dunk, and not wait for them, pick 'em.
but I don't see how picking healthy small pins can help you out at all.
and that is from experience, however recent it may be.
I used to pick them all off, every flush. I tried it the other way and saw great results.
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: monstermitch]
#5918260 - 07/31/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not a sin to clear cut. I'll look for some guidance in the scriptures for you, but I'm pretty sure on that point.
I always used to clear cut and got killer flushes every time. On par with the best pics here.
I'm sure there is plenty of room for argument on this issue yet, but I can tell you that it is not detrimental to remove them. I really wouldn't want any slow-growing pin genetics getting into my breeding line, so I think it's better to remove them.
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: fastfred]
#5918289 - 07/31/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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One should never remove non aborted pins between flushes. It's a well known fact that primordia for the first three flushes are set at the same time. Sometimes the primordia are hidden under the casing layer out of sight, other times they grow into small pins that are visible, then become dormant until their time comes. Removing non-aborted pins will substantially reduce future flushes. RR
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5918435 - 07/31/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, you know how much I hate to disagree with you RR, but clear cutting always worked great for me. Never noticed any reduction in future flushes.
Since I always clear cut them down to pure white myc and had killer flushes anyway that would lead me to think that even if the phenomena you describe happens that it must only happen to a tiny minority of pins.
This being the case it is something that I would want to breed out. Then again maybe it happens to you more because you have selected for the trait by leaving the slow growing pins there to pass on their dubious genetics.
I also notice that you like to try and immediately discredit alternate points of view by introducing yours as being "well known fact". I would suggest that you spend more time debating the facts, presenting evidence, or citing the sources of some of these "well known facts" rather than implying a false consensus.
Maybe beyondsixth can enlighten us as to exactly what type of logical error that is.
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: fastfred]
#5918512 - 07/31/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: monstermitch]
#5921450 - 08/01/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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monstermitch said: they very well could and should grow, you say that they don't grow very big... sounds like a parameter problem or something.
No parameter problems here.
   
If it works for you, go for it. Just don't advise people that it's the ONLY way to do it.
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From The Mushroom Cultivator Chapter 10 Under "Flushing Pattern" 2nd paragraph Paul Stamets said:
To further increase the flushing speed the actual harvest period in each flush should be kept short and concise. Late developing mushrooms are removed with or on the day after peak production. The sooner the flush is completely removed the quicker the next one will appear and the shorter the overall cropping cycle. Stunted undeveloped mushrooms are also cleared from the cropping surface between breaks with care not to disturb the casing. Small dead pinheads should be left in place and cause little harm.
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: FooMan]
#5921599 - 08/01/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wonder how you tell the "Stunted undeveloped mushrooms" from the "Small dead pinheads"?
Seems like P. Stamets advises clear cutting. While he has been known to be wrong on more than one occasion, I would say that he is right in this instance.
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Re: Question regarding mushrooms being to big for lid [Re: fastfred]
#5921759 - 08/01/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I won't even say I totally agree with Stamets. He also mentions leaving abhorts. I always remove those too.
I'm just trying to point out to Mitch that popular opinion DOES NOT = a rule of thumb. He kind of rubbed me the wrong way with the statement that because he's seen people argue about this subject and the consensus was that healthy pins should be left that I was wrong. Nothing is etched in stone. Don't attempt to discredit anyone unless you have some kind of irrefutable evidence, not hearsay.
I don't always agree with Fred or RR or Agar or even freakin Paul Stamets, but I sure as hell wouldn't say that any of them were wrong about something unless I had some strong evidence to back it up. Know what I mean? You can argue opinions all day long. I do frequently
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