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OldWoodSpecter
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aliens and us
#5912854 - 07/29/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is one thing that many UFO-nuts somehow always ignore..
Those grey beings as people describe them look a lot like humans, only "tweaked". What does that imply?
1. That those beings really don't exist, because it's almost imposible that on two planets by accident life becomes so similar. It's not just conditions like gravity, sun etc. which might be in common. If you believe in evolution, think of the number of elements that shaped those early cells into apes, and then into humans. Gravity didn't make us, summers, winters, earthquakes, volcanos, other animals, radiation, all that made us the way we are, specific things, not just general things as gravity. Intelligent life on other planets might be so different from us that it was compleatly invisible to us and us to them, or that we couldn't even recognize each other as life or as intelligent.
2. We are related. Which is funny, because even the UFO-fans don't particulary like the theory that we are made by them or made by the same creator as them, and stick with that "hello, we come in peace, let's share our knowledge" approach to the whole thing, yet they have no explanation for the almost identical anatomy.
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Phishe
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I am fascinated in aliens. However, i do not believe they have ever landed on earth or we humans have ever been in contact or seen them. What seems most likely to me, is that if there are aliens, there are many different species. Just like the many species on earth.
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Heh, that's true. I saw a BBC documentary on aliens once, they were pretty determined aliens would most likely look like insects.
A NOVA documentary I once saw said this regarding the issue:
So what would a real alien look like? Nobody knows, but most likely it would not resemble any being we've seen before. Even the strangest movie aliens (let alone the myriad humanoids), with their symmetrical bodies, blinking eyes, and dexterous appendages, are merely clever twists on life found on our planet. Experts agree that our humble imaginations may not have even scratched the surface of the wild possibilities for actual ET life. As digital artist Cameron Mckechnie notes, "Aliens could exhibit colors not in our spectrum. Aliens could look like coke bottles, or could be composed of magnetic forces undetectable to the human eye. They could be just a strange smell in the air. They could be completely digital and look like beautiful strange fractal chaotic swirls. Who knows?"
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It is funny how humans create things like gods and aliens in more or less their own image. However, I do think it is reasonable that alien life forms would resemble Earthly life forms.
I do have to say though, is it unreasonable to suggest that life (the chemical combinations that have over time formed conscious conglomorates of matter) can only spawn and exist with the right mix of light, heat, and other physical phenomena just as states of matter or chemical compounds can only come to be under controlled laboratory conditions?
The Earth and the Sun can then be considered to be the laboratory that synthesized consciousness. The Sun's radiation and the Earth's distance from it and the Earth's chemical composition can be considered as the right mix of chemicals that have combined to create life. Then you should consider how big the universe is. 100 billion galaxies of 100 billion stars per galaxy was the latest figure I've heard. It only makes sense that somewhere in that expanse of space and chemicals there is another place like Earth and another star like the Sun that can combine resources and generate life.
If life can only come to be in a place with similar conditions as Earth then life could come to be in a different place in the universe with similar conditions. If those same conditions can spawn life somewhere else then shouldn't it actually be reasonable that alien organisms would share certain features with Earthly organisms? I don't necessarilly mean bug-eyed and grey or two-eyed or 5 fingered. I mean organisms who's biological functions and systems are similar to those on Earth in the same way that an eagle is similar to a human or a lizard (bones, insulative covering, blood transport systems, digestive systems, etc).
Now, an argument against my thoughts on this topic could be: How do you know life can't form on something like a methane gas atmosphere planet or that water is the sustainer of life here on Earth but sulfuric acid may be the life giving compound somewhere else? Answer: I don't know, but it hasn't yet been proven that that kind of atmosphere or sulfuric acid can support life. We have to go on what we've seen and studied so that does limit our understanding of this topic.
It seems like life is life regardless of where you are in the universe just as iron is iron no matter where you find it in the universe. Is this making sense? I really do like this topic, its something I've wondered about.
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OldWoodSpecter
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Re: aliens and us [Re: TODAY]
#5913042 - 07/29/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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TODAY said: It is funny how humans create things like gods and aliens in more or less their own image.
Unless aliens and gods created us in their image, those are the only two options actually. That we created them in our image or that they created us in theirs
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I sorta see it as a half/half, a ying yang type reaction. A constant transfiguration, both on a conscious and unconscious level.
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OldWoodSpecter
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MushroomTrip said: Hmmm here's a goog link related to "aliens": http://www.steelmarkonline.com/pleiadians.htm
"Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the sky, and over the livestock, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Genesis 1:26
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OldWoodSpecter said: "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the sky, and over the livestock, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Genesis 1:26
Sounds like a motivated man's proclamation to his wife. Men can make men in their image and likeness, and can proclaim what they will accomplish, as well. That verse doesn't suggest aliens or anything like that. Start with what you know.
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OldWoodSpecter said:
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TODAY said: It is funny how humans create things like gods and aliens in more or less their own image.
Unless aliens and gods created us in their image, those are the only two options actually. That we created them in our image or that they created us in theirs
By that statement you quoted, I meant that humans imagine egos of equivical nature to humans as having human traits. I don't think all people who make that statement understand why It may be so, but I do say there is good reason for it. This reason is inlaid in the discussion of the synthesis of life and the range over which it is possible, which I've been trying to understand.
All of those things you mentioned; elements, radiation, gravity, temperature changes, a celestial body's spin and tilt, etc. are all general things but their exact values that are specific to Earth are the cause of life on Earth. I was trying to state that those general things are entirely possible to exist in such a vast universe somwhere else in a similar configuration to that of Earth.
If those general phenomena have values that are consistent with Earth then it is possible for life to spawn there. If life did spawn in an environment with all of the particulars of the Earth/Sun relationship then I imagine at the most basic level, it would function similarly to how it does on Earth.
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OldWoodSpecter
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fireworks_god said:
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OldWoodSpecter said: "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the sky, and over the livestock, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Genesis 1:26
Sounds like a motivated man's proclamation to his wife. Men can make men in their image and likeness, and can proclaim what they will accomplish, as well. That verse doesn't suggest aliens or anything like that. Start with what you know.
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The whole Bible suggest aliens. An Alien is something that is not from earth. All devine creatures are not from earth, including God. Some of them are biological, like Jesus, and they are all alive, so they are all extraterrestrial life.
A life can be either terrestrial or extraterrestrial. Bible creatures are not terrestrial obviously
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