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    #5912778 - 07/29/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hello, i have some koh samui super straign that's been pinning for about 4-7 days now. and i just looked at then and noticed that the veils have allredy broke and the gills are exposed. the tallest is only about an inch tall. any reason why there so small and the veils are broke. my RH is allways at around 98% and i lightly mist 2 times a day to keep the casing moist. Is this just a small strain or did screw somthing up? thanks for any help. oh, and my temp stays between 73 and 77.


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Re: small shrooms [Re: 19741974]
    #5912807 - 07/29/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

how deep is your substrate? that can affect size. First flushes seem to be smaller than later ones....but 1 inch shrooms seems extreme. Some of the more experienced members may have some answeres for you.


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Re: small shrooms [Re: dizzim]
    #5912845 - 07/29/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

My problems that led too that same problem were....man I already typed all of this once.

1. Substrate layer not thick enough too warrent the size casing I made. (3-4 inches of substrate is what is recommended)
2.Not letting the casing layer colonize, screwing me on my water delivery to carry me thru my pinset, forcing me too water while the pins were coming up.
3.Too high humidty thru out the pinset
4.Cheap trigger sprayer, I think the water beat my shrooms open but thats just theory. Get a misty mate or something.
5.FAE- I was misting then fanning
6.Improper water delivery, not enough water....I think the shrooms drank all the available water then gave up and opened. Just because the casing layer is moist doesnt mean the substrate got enough of it also.

Anyway just some ideas, I am not one of the pro's


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Re: small shrooms [Re: mrmonkey]
    #5912872 - 07/29/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

if you got your spores from

THE

it is most likely a strain problem.
I've seen many people with the exact same problem.

but only people who ordered from that particular vendor.
my KSSS from Ralph performs very nicely.

nothing against THE, and this is just one possibility.


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Re: small shrooms [Re: monstermitch]
    #5913000 - 07/29/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What about peroxide. i use at 10:1 (10% peroxide)ratio everyt time i mist the casing. could that stunt the growth that much? Thanx guy's for the replies.


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Re: small shrooms [Re: 19741974]
    #5913003 - 07/29/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

it would slow growth, but not stunt it... I used to use 1:10 peroxide in my spray, but i stopped just because sometimes the peroxide gets smelly, and i hate the smell of peroxide.


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Re: small shrooms [Re: monstermitch]
    #5913013 - 07/29/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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if you got your spores from

THE

it is most likely a strain problem.




Nobody breeds mycelium for 'small' genetics, especially a shroomery approved vendor.

Small mushrooms are caused by one or more of the following:  Too small a substrate or too thin a casing layer, improper substrate or ph level for the species, or too little moisture in the substrate or casing layer.  The latter is most often the cause.
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Re: small shrooms [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5913026 - 07/29/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Should i pick the ones that are done? And yes i got them from THE. but there are also a lot of things mentioned above of what all could be slight factors. my casing was a little thicker than normal. substrate= 1
1/4 inch and casing 1/2 inch deep. thanks. it's so hard to keep the casing moist even misting 2 or 3 times a day. and i don't want to over water. i didn't let the casing fully colonize. but there were a few patches showing when i put in the FC. but yea, should i pick the ones that have the gills showing? thanks


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Re: small shrooms [Re: 19741974]
    #5913181 - 07/29/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yes. Pick after the veil tears.
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Re: small shrooms [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5913326 - 07/29/06 10:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well it keeps happening....
over, and over again...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5643379#Post5643379

why would workman be able to identify it from a certain vendor?


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Re: small shrooms [Re: monstermitch]
    #5913366 - 07/29/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Who are yo talking to monstermitch? Thanx


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Re: small shrooms [Re: 19741974]
    #5913455 - 07/29/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

My friend gave me a ready to go casing with KSS that he ordered from THE. My mushrooms were miniscule as well.


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Re: small shrooms [Re: ToTheExtreme, LOL]
    #5913496 - 07/29/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm... Seems like THE's KSSS is consistently producing small fruits for most people. I've read that in a few threads too.


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Re: small shrooms [Re: fastfred]
    #5913544 - 07/29/06 11:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How could they make it so it produces small shrooms, and why? Thanx. Also i just realized that my hygrometer, which is digital only goes up to 98%, meaning that would be 100% and it usally stays at that. Could that be a problem? Thanx again.


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Re: small shrooms [Re: 19741974]
    #5913661 - 07/30/06 12:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe you shouldn't mist so much then. High humidity is fine as long as your not getting your substrate water logged.

As far as the smallness of the fruits, it's probably just a characteristic of the particular sub-strain of KSSS that he's using.


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Re: small shrooms [Re: fastfred]
    #5913672 - 07/30/06 12:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I notice that if i don't mist a least 2 times a day then the casing dries in some areas, making the soil look like dry tobacco mixed in with it. some areas around the edges are more pronounced with dime sized patches looking very dry. Thanx


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Re: small shrooms [Re: 19741974]
    #5913718 - 07/30/06 01:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

BTW these small shrooms that I grew kicked my ass. Although I was drinking when I ate them, they were good trip wise, but tasted awful


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Re: small shrooms [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5914123 - 07/30/06 04:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Actually small shrooms can also be the result of an inferior spore match - which is why isolation on agar is a better idea than multispore inoculation.


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Re: small shrooms [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5914154 - 07/30/06 05:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Then you're taking a crapshoot as to whether you picked a good sub-strain or not.

At least with multispore you're guaranteed that you'll get a good variety of sub-strains.

With agar isolation you stand the chance of picking a non-fruiting substrain, in which case you'll get nothing at all for your efforts.


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Re: small shrooms [Re: fastfred]
    #5914350 - 07/30/06 07:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I also notice that the whole thing is allready starting to shrink alittle and pull away from the sides. is that normal for a first flush that isn't even done and that is producing tiny shrooms? also after i cased the substrate i didn't mist at all untill i put it in the fruit chamber. should i have been watering at this stage? it didn't look like it needed it because everthing looked moist, and i was getting condensastion on the lid that i covered it with. I just wondering if my casing is drying because my substrate has been dry from a long time ago. but not sure and not sure how check it? thanx


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