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Possible subbalteatus?
    #5911896 - 07/29/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)




Habitat - well fertilized lawn
Gills - Dark brown in older specimen, light brown in younger ones
Stem - Tan and hallow
Cap - Dark brown at tip, encircled by rings of cinnamon, light tan, and spotted black at the tip
Spore print color - Black
Location - Michigan


I have a feeling these are Panaeolus foenisecii just because they are all over the place....

Thanks for the help


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: thenoob2006]
    #5911925 - 07/29/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The print of foenisecii can be misleading as it is very dark brown and can appear blackish under certain light.
You should check it again carefully to verify if it dark brown or jet black.

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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: thenoob2006]
    #5911926 - 07/29/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

They look like Paneaolina foenisecii, but there may be a mix of the two species in a well fertilized lawn. Get a spore print of every specimen, and keep the black printed ones. Don't confuse a dark brown print for being black.


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    #5911936 - 07/29/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: Mead]
    #5912301 - 07/29/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the response -

The spore print looks like charcoal to me... but, seeings how I don't want to spend the night on the toilet, I think I'll chuck them.


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: thenoob2006]
    #5912436 - 07/29/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Those look like haymakers to me.


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: HeiligBoomerz]
    #5912458 - 07/29/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i say they could go either way.

the following are pics of CONFIMED active panaeolus mushrooms picked from my own manure-straw compost fertilized lawn.

there were ocasionally p. foenisecci among the pick, all were printed and came out brown, and were removed.

oh the parties :P




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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: HeiligBoomerz]
    #5912552 - 07/29/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Is haymaker an official nickname for Pan subbs? If not, it should be - great name Helligboomerz


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: xmush]
    #5912556 - 07/29/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"hay makers mushroom", "hay mowers mushroom", "lawn mowers mushroom" are some common names for foenisecii. I've seen them in my books.. as well as many more.


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: eris]
    #5912571 - 07/29/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In that case I move that we start calling subbs haymakers.  They grow in hay more often than foes, and they can pack a punch if enough are eaten, aka a haymaker.  :slapbillgates:


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: xmush]
    #5912574 - 07/29/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It would make more sense to call subbs haymakers since they grow in hay :lol:

Try googling "haymakers mushroom", it shows results for foens.


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: eris]
    #5912711 - 07/29/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah the "common name" for Pan. foenisecii is "Haymaker's Mushroom".

I think Pan. subbalteatus' is just "Subbs".


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: psiclops]
    #5913242 - 07/29/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well, since we talk more about Pan subbs and Pan foens than just about anyone in the world, if we decide to change the common name then I bet in a few years subbs can be haymakers. And lawnmowers mushroom is so much more apt for foens anyway!


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: xmush]
    #5913292 - 07/29/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

hahah.


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: psiclops]
    #5913534 - 07/29/06 11:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Most of em look like the foes I've been finding here in michigan. The one to the left looks a little darker underneath. Just out of curiosity what county are you in. I'm in shiawasee (no I am not asking for a specific location or posting one!!!) .


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #5914557 - 07/30/06 10:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

foenisecii is latin for "hay maker"
subbaltaetus is latin for "less than (but implicitly almost) beltlike"

hence pan subbs common name "girdled panaeolus"

panaeolus of course means "all varigated"

another name for pan sub is Panaeolus venenosus
"poisonous panaeolus"


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #5914560 - 07/30/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You are the shit Mitchnast


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: thenoob2006]
    #5914752 - 07/30/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)



Thaaaaaanks Gumby for the awesome photo, it always comes in handy.  :smile:


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #5914881 - 07/30/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm in Ingham county .. not too far from Shiawasse

I swear some of those spore prints look like the subb prints in the picture that curecat just posted.


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: thenoob2006]
    #5915026 - 07/30/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The gills look to be differn't (darker one one) that I can see which would make it more likely to drop a darker print. I would guess a mixed collection of subbs and foes or maybe just foes. Pm mjshroomer he should be able to provide a valueable opion on this. Anyways foes aren't poisonus but I still wouldn't recommend eating them.


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Re: Possible subbalteatus? [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #5917196 - 07/31/06 12:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Are you drinking?  Um... there is a 'spell check' feature.  ::nudge nudge:: :wink:


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