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You have to be stupid to get to heaven. *DELETED*
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: JCoke]
#5911184 - 07/29/06 04:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not all christians are stupid. It's just that, our human population tends to be on the stupid side. It just so happens that a large amount of the population is christian. So there will be many idiots devoted to christianity.
It's the population not the religion.
I'm very tired sorry if i misunderstood something.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. *DELETED* [Re: Phishe]
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-------------------- hello, your name is life on earth ------------------------------------
"I traveled a long way seeking God, but when I finally gave up and turned back, there He was, within me! O Lalli! Now why do you wander like a beggar? Make some effort, and He will grant you a vision of Himself in the form of bliss in your heart." -the saint of the Kashmir Shaivism tradition: Lalli.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: JCoke]
#5911209 - 07/29/06 05:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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JCoke said:why could'nt God just make the world perfect with no "satan"?
how boring...
you mean a world without sex, rap music and John Woo movies? Count me out.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: JCoke]
#5911844 - 07/29/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Define stupid ?
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: JCoke]
#5911849 - 07/29/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If those around you impose such images, perhaps it's time for a change of scenery. I've never known a Christian with such premises.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: JCoke]
#5912166 - 07/29/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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JCoke said: hiphop is of the devil and is purely Jungle Nigger "aboga! boga! boga! boga!"... and satan is killing you with cigarrete smoke, also dating is immoral sexual behavior and should be outlawed, etc etc
do you believe this bulshit?
ok they might be right, and yes, I go to hell forever and ever, but i'd rather go to hell for being wrong than for being stupid, because it seems you have to be really stupid to be a christian with this mind set.
that it how I feel today, how 'bout you? 
peace
everybody gets the christianity they deserve
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: JCoke]
#5912181 - 07/29/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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JCoke said: I think what you said is true.
but why is that way, why could'nt God just make the world perfect with no "satan"?
I should have called this thread you have to be really, really stupid to get to heaven.
He did create a world without satan, it's still in the process of creation and it's not finished yet, but when it is it will be without satan.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: JCoke]
#5912197 - 07/29/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know, these restrictions only come naturally to believers, they feel unconfortable doing these "sins" anyways, so what's the loss? They just do what they feel like doing
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. *DELETED* [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5912400 - 07/29/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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-------------------- hello, your name is life on earth ------------------------------------
"I traveled a long way seeking God, but when I finally gave up and turned back, there He was, within me! O Lalli! Now why do you wander like a beggar? Make some effort, and He will grant you a vision of Himself in the form of bliss in your heart." -the saint of the Kashmir Shaivism tradition: Lalli.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: JCoke]
#5912412 - 07/29/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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JCoke said: is freedom a sin?
No, but freedom means people are free to sin.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: JCoke]
#5912480 - 07/29/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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JCoke said: is freedom a sin?
You mean giving freedom to people or what? Freedom is not a doing.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: JCoke]
#5912488 - 07/29/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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JCoke said: hiphop is of the devil and is purely Jungle Nigger "aboga! boga! boga! boga!"... and satan is killing you with cigarrete smoke, also dating is immoral sexual behavior and should be outlawed, etc etc
Just currious, you refer to christianity, now where did you read all of the above in the Bible?
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5912590 - 07/29/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Christianity is not the Bible, sorry.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: fireworks_god]
#5912596 - 07/29/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Christianity is not the Bible, sorry.
Thank you! Nice to see someone gets it.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: fireworks_god]
#5912602 - 07/29/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Christianity is not the Bible, sorry.
 Peace.
Are there any other christian books that I don't know of?
Christianity by concept has all of its sources in the Bible, the christianity that you have in mind is not real christianity because it assumes and invents things that are not in the Bible, yet claims to use Bible as the source.
Also, he was mentioning getting to heaven. If there was Biblical heaven, then getting to it would not include going to church and listening to priests and their own ideas of spirituality, but listening to the words of Jesus, so the whole thread kind of makes little sense.
If there is heaven, can a christian set the rule how do you get into it? Nope.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5912610 - 07/29/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Then there seems to be no such thing as "real" Christianity, as the practice is based upon the Bible much as made-for-TV movies are "based on a true story."
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: Veritas]
#5912613 - 07/29/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Veritas said: Then there seems to be no such thing as "real" Christianity, as the practice is based upon the Bible much as made-for-TV movies are "based on a true story."
Well then, there you have it. And even though you are conscious of this fact, you blame the aincient prophets for worldviews of modern christians.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5912616 - 07/29/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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OldWoodSpecter said: Are there any other christian books that I don't know of?
Quite apparently! Amazon.com lists over 62,000 books in their Religion and Spirituality category, a lot certainly centered around Christianity. The first book's title, for instance: "Simply Christian: Why Christianity Makes Sense".
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Christianity by concept has all of its sources in the Bible, the christianity that you have in mind is not real christianity because it assumes and invents things that are not in the Bible, yet claims to use Bible as the source.
Bullshit. "The Real Christianity" does not exist. Christianity is what people make it to be, and that is quite a fucking mess, if you ask me. There is no single, distinct path, and there certainly is not a single, distinct book upon which this path is based. Millions of individuals who practice Christianity feel that their particular interpretation of something that does not exist (Christianity) is "The Real Christianity".
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5912623 - 07/29/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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OldWoodSpecter said: And even though you are conscious of this fact, you blame the aincient prophets for worldviews of modern christians.
No, you just do not understand the frickin' point. Christianity does not exist in any form beyond the one that every single individual gives it. You do not even know what these "ancient prophets" did or said, so you have no sense of what their Christianity was.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5912625 - 07/29/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think that I have "blamed" anyone but individuals for their individual choices. Christianity is based upon the Bible, and the Bible contains both quality ideas AND trash, IMO.
As I have said before, I agree with Gandhi:
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
I would also paraphrase, "I like your Christ, but I do not like your Bible."
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5912642 - 07/29/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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OldWoodSpecter said:
Are there any other christian books that I don't know of?
How about the vast amount of esoteric scripture that didn't make the cut?
The Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Truth, Gospel of Philip, Gospel of Peter, Gospel of Mary Magdalene, Gospel of the Egyptians, Gospel of the Hebrews, Gospel of James, Gospel of Judas, The First Book of Enoch, The Book of the Secrets of Enoch, Questions of St. Bartholomew, The First Book of Adam and Eve, Pistis Sophia, etc...
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: Veritas]
#5912693 - 07/29/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You should give the Nag Hammadi Library a whirl. You should embrace the Christian scripture in their fullness before making making judgment calls. Contrary to contemporary popular belief, the Bible was not assembled by the hands of God but rather confirmed by the Council of Nicaea. Because of that, we now have what we call the New Testament. There is an abundance of Christian literature that didn't make it into the Bible, and the vast majority of it is simply amazing.
-------------------- Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: RRRR]
#5912696 - 07/29/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Most churches don't claim that they follow these, so you can't judge them based on those texts.
It could be argued that a christian should embrace Koran or even switch to Islam in order to be a true christian, as much as paradoxical it sounds, but like the above it's a different story. We are talking about the current definition of christianity: a bunch of people that are supose to stick to the Bible. Some sects and smaller churches are close to that ideal, while Catholicism is probably as far from that idea as atheism is.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5912715 - 07/29/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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OldWoodSpecter said: Most churches don't claim that they follow these, so you can't judge them based on those texts.
I am a church going Christian, and at my church we embrace such scripture with open arms, open hearts, and open minds.
What do I care of the majority of churches? I'm sorry that my Christianity doesn't fit into your stereotype, but that isn't really my problem. It's yours.
The church I am currently active in has 2 million followers. I'd say that's pretty significant. But even if it wasn't, what should I care?
-------------------- Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: RRRR]
#5912736 - 07/29/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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RRRR said:
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OldWoodSpecter said: Most churches don't claim that they follow these, so you can't judge them based on those texts.
I am a church going Christian, and at my church we embrace such scripture with open arms, open hearts, and open minds.
What do I care of the majority of churches? I'm sorry that my Christianity doesn't fit into your stereotype, but that isn't really my problem. It's yours.
The church I am currently active in has 2 million followers. I'd say that's pretty significant. But even if it wasn't, what should I care?
I don't get your point. Since when is your church under attack?
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5912739 - 07/29/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I never implied that my church was under attack, but rather that you have an extremely ignorant, simplified conception of Christianity.
-------------------- Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: RRRR]
#5912742 - 07/29/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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RRRR said: I never implied that my church was under attack, but rather that you have an extremely ignorant, simplified conception of Christianity.
I'm talking about christian majority, and christian majority accepts only the Bible, so again, what does your church have to do with it? Your church is not mainstream christianity. We are not discussing either you or your church here.
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5912767 - 07/29/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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OldWoodSpecter said: Your church is not mainstream christianity. We are not discussing either you or your church here.
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OldWoodSpecter said:
Christianity by concept has all of its sources in the Bible, the christianity that you have in mind is not real christianity because it assumes and invents things that are not in the Bible, yet claims to use Bible as the source.
Perhaps you should better your wording then. Since the beginning of Christianity, scripture outside of the contemporary Bible has been referenced and praised by Christians. And this is so today. Yet since it doesn't appeal to your stereotypes, it somehow is not "real Christianity".
That is absurd and ignorant. Simple as that.
What you speak of sounds more like Evangelicalism than anything. Most other Protestant denominations I'm familiar with have no objection to aforementioned texts.
If you choose to believe that Evangelicalism is the sole "real" authority of Christianity, then you're beyond my help dear friend.
Christianity has referenced texts outside the Bible as a source of divine knowing for millenniums.
-------------------- Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: RRRR]
#5912780 - 07/29/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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"real" in this case is defined by the concept
If a person says he is a red t-shirt wearer, then he is only a real t-shir wearer if he wears red t-shirts.
Mainstream christianity defines itself as a bunch of people that follow the official version of the Bible, therefore a real mainstream christian is a person that follows the official version of the Bible
Same goes for you and your church, you are a real follower of alternative scriptures only if you actually follow them
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5912792 - 07/29/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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OldWoodSpecter said:
Christianity by concept has all of its sources in the Bible
Originally, you never said mainstream. You said Christianity which is a very broad term.
2. I never knew all denominations of "mainstream" Christianity got together and decided that they were to reject all texts outside of the Bible. I must have missed the memo 
Roman Catholicism, by far the largest Christian denomination with over 1 billion baptized members (thus making it the most "mainstream" of any Christian tradition), often praises texts outside of the Bible, such as the writings of Saints or the Apostolic Succession.
-------------------- Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: RRRR]
#5912798 - 07/29/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know, all of this is really irrelevant to this discussion. Bible, alternative texts, it doesn't matter, the point is Christians mostly don't live by them, my bets are most would still have to take off their shoes when entering purgatory, if there is such a thing
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5912803 - 07/29/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Rapture ready"
I haven't really met many people that take rapture seriously, well I'm one of those that do, so I'm just currious, what's your vision of that. How do you think it would happen?
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Re: You have to be stupid to get to heaven. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5912813 - 07/29/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I enjoy your company and conversation very much, my friend, but I am on my way out the door. We shall continue this in the near future, so I hope. I'll see ya around
-------------------- Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)
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