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OfflineVelocity92C
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Condensation - advice?
    #5910246 - 07/28/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I know condensation is normal in a PF jar but it looks like it's getting out of hand a bit. I used 2 layers of foil, the bottom one wrapped very tight, the top one a little looser. Loosened up the top one to where it's basically just sitting on top of the other one (which has 4 holes punched in it from inoculation) so it's not completely wrapped up. Should I loosen the bottom piece of foil as well? I do have a dry verm layer on top, so I know I'm probably being too paranoid but this is my first time and I don't know whether big drops of water on the ineside of the jars is normal or not, or if that's a sign of suffocation.


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: Velocity92C]
    #5910301 - 07/28/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

could be metabolites,
you could be over-heating your jar,

I say remove that foil now,
you'll probably her FF say leave it on.

I'll stick to my experience though,

with a dry layer of vermiculite you do not need any thing else.
in fact you could even survive opening the lid entirely.
but that is not recommended.

remove the foil and don't incubate over 82 degrees, or better yet 80.

to each his own, but I go with what works for me.
that is either a dry verm layer (pf) or tyvek (grains).
with the tyvek; I inoculate through the tyvek and cover hole with
isopropyl soaked micropore tape for a patch.

no incubator used, just a small room that is 78-82 usually.
sometimes a little cooler, never hotter.
everything sits on wire shelving.


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5910452 - 07/28/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> I say remove that foil now,
> you'll probably her FF say leave it on.

Leave the foil on.

You're either practicing sterile technique in your cultivation or you're just doing a crapshoot.

The foil isn't airtight and doesn't prevent gas exchange so there is no advantage to removing it.


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: Velocity92C]
    #5910549 - 07/28/06 11:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Remove the foil for better FAE, the verm layer will keep you safe.


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: fastfred]
    #5910624 - 07/28/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

fastfred said:
> I say remove that foil now,
> you'll probably her FF say leave it on.

Leave the foil on.

You're either practicing sterile technique in your cultivation or you're just doing a crapshoot.

The foil isn't airtight and doesn't prevent gas exchange so there is no advantage to removing it.


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5910645 - 07/28/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

monstermitch said:
Quote:

fastfred said:
> I say remove that foil now,
> you'll probably her FF say leave it on.

Leave the foil on.

You're either practicing sterile technique in your cultivation or you're just doing a crapshoot.

The foil isn't airtight and doesn't prevent gas exchange so there is no advantage to removing it.


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: Yamidude]
    #5910660 - 07/28/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

it really wasn't all that funny.

his predictability is the humor,
and just his overall unique board personality,
all I can do is laugh.

ps Kapt, thanks but jars do not need FAE,
just gas exchange.

but I'm sure that is what you intended to portray.


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5910742 - 07/29/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

your right, I'm just a little stoned.


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: KaptKid]
    #5912527 - 07/29/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

To be honest they're not even being incubated yet, I just bought the aquarium heater and tubs last night. They've been kept at room temp, roughly 75, maybe a little more since they were inoculated. Here's a couple pics, from the above posts I don't know whether to leave it the way it is, leave the foil but leave it on top or take it off altogether.

Here's the growth so far in the jars;



Here's 2 pics of the condensation in the same jar;





Any advice is appreciated :smile:


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: Velocity92C]
    #5912533 - 07/29/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Oh yeah, ignore the dates, we never set the date on the camera.


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: Velocity92C]
    #5912547 - 07/29/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I too would be confused as for what to do.
FF has a way to make threads confusing,
but confusion promotes more questions,
which promotes better learning ultimately, right?

your jars look fine.
personally, I would remove the foil.
as I already stated.

I see no problems and no need for you to incubate them.
continue doing what you are doing, but without the foil.
I cannot see how it is helping you at all.

if you are real concerned about contams getting through the
dry vermiculite layer, replace the foil with a coffee filter.
hold it in place with a rubber band.

that will be your new dust cover.


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5912553 - 07/29/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, I can do the coffee filters - at what point do the jars become self resistant to contams? When they're fully colonized? I realize you always want to be clean in your procedures but I've read at one point they can fight contamination on their own. No signs of any contams yet, in fact the growth looks pretty good to me, especially for my first time with no incubation.

Anyway, I've got more spores arriving in the mail within the next few days and will get started on my first LC, along with some other experimentation. I love having the forums - for the most part everyone is very helpful. When you say the jars look fine, is that amount of condensation normal/ok?


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: Velocity92C]
    #5912635 - 07/29/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yes.
when fully colonized they will resist contams well.

it is a bit much, but I would not worry about it.
could be from temperature swings in your house.
try to keep them in a consistent environment with consistent temps.


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5919343 - 07/31/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I never really got a definitive answer one way or another - I loosened both the top and bottom aluminum foil jars and the condensation has only gotten worse in all the jars. Is there anything else I can try? Replacing the lids with coffee filters - is there any sterilization required to that or just put 'em on? I searched the older threads for similar topics and found that a little condensation is normal and fine, but this seems pretty excessive.


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Re: Condensation - advice? [Re: Velocity92C]
    #5919553 - 07/31/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

don't replace the lid with anything.

replace the foil with a coffee filter.
hold it in place with a rubber band.
on the outside of the jar.

unnecessary step anyways...

most likely it is warmer in your jars than out.
hence, condensation.

don't worry about it.
to avoid it, keep jars at a steady 80 degrees.
no temp swings.
that should do it.


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