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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: Psilopleix]
    #5994117 - 08/24/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yup


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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5994780 - 08/25/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i didnt see the size of the tubs in here so what size are they i am guessing 12 quart right ?


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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #5996082 - 08/25/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yes... 12 qt sweater boxes from Wal-Mart


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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5997184 - 08/25/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

awesome demonstration of a rez-effect variant
here's similar done
with texans on popcorn with vermiculite

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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5997294 - 08/25/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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uhmm the potency will be weakened if anything by coir , its got little to no nutritional value to the cubensis , its simply ground coconut shell , coir is used as a casing layer not a substrate , thats ridiculus , waste..




Wrong. That's nonesense. Coir is as nutritious as horse manure, and is not suitable for use as a casing layer due to the nutrition unless massively diluted with vermiculite.
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That's news to me...source??
I can see coir grown shrooms matching (or slightly exceeding) potency of PF grown fruits...but there is no chance in hell coir is as nutritious as horse shite.
50/50 50/40 coir/verm casing has always done wonders for me also.


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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: Tien]
    #5998537 - 08/26/06 07:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)


....:::::TRIP REPORT::::::....

ALL I CAN SAY IS OUT OF THIS WORLD! :eek:

I ATE 2.5G AND SO DID 8 OTHER PEOPLE LAST NIGHT. I HAD A GREAT TIME WITH THE VISUALS THAT I GET FROM THE T.C.

I SEE NO POTENCY LOSS WITH COIR.

"THAT'S MY FINAL ANSWER"  :wink::thumbup:


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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5998732 - 08/26/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

WOW thats good to hear.

I wonder if potency is less though with the following flushes.

Could coir be used in a mono tub grow?

Those massive fruits have got me wanting to do a straight coir grow for sure


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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: TrippinTeddy]
    #5999242 - 08/26/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i would say coir could be substituted for the poo in any shape, size and form. I would say that the monotub would work... (but monotubs and doubletubs have never worked for me.They always end up getting contamed before the first flush. IME)

I am gonna try to pasturize the coir next time... got spots of Trich forming.


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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: Oatman2000]
    #6003485 - 08/27/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Nice to hear it worked for you. Coir for me has always been a small scale thing, but never anything big. I think my next grow I will go 50/50 coir / hpoo and see how that goes.

I get some off brand coir from a local place. 3 bricks for $3.99 can't beat that.....

except hpoo = free :smile:


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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: Tien]
    #6003569 - 08/27/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I can see coir grown shrooms matching (or slightly exceeding) potency of PF grown fruits...but there is no chance in hell coir is as nutritious as horse shite.





Perhaps since you're the one disputing the facts as presented by actual experience, YOU can provide the source. The fact of the matter is, bagged up cow manure is even more nutritious than horse manure. Mushroom growers like horse manure for its texture, not the nutrients. Grains are the most nutritious of all, but there is no evidence that simple cased rye is more potent than rye spawned into manure. The whole nute/substrate thing is poorly understood.

The bottom line is plain coir makes an excellent substrate. It can be made even better by adding manure, worm castings, coffee grinds, cotton seed hulls, straw, etc.
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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6003877 - 08/28/06 05:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

how much worm casing / coffee grinds would you suggest Roger?

Oh and Oatman. I have used Critter Country with coir with good results.

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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: Babo911]
    #6003941 - 08/28/06 07:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

There's no rules for how much worm castings or coffee grinds to use. Any can be used as substrate, so just mix in whatever proportions you have. Be sure to check and balance ph.
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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6003980 - 08/28/06 08:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That's something i don't have and wish I did...

Ph testing, either with strips (or I would like a actual gauge)


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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: Oatman2000]
    #6007356 - 08/29/06 07:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

for anyone who wanted a Tek on how to do this... it has been added to the cultivation archives

you can find it Here


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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: Oatman2000]
    #6045523 - 09/09/06 11:45 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, this is pretty amazing to me. Great grow.

I'm returning to growing after a few years off, and catching up to the latest developments. The idea of using coir as a substrate rather than a casing is totally new to me. I've used coir as a casing many times, and always thought it kicked ass. I can't remember a single contam problem with it. (And I'm not a sterility-overkill grower, so if coir is nutritious, it must have some contam-restistant properties!) It never occurred to me that it had any nutritional value as a substrate. Manure is tough to come by in my area (in manageable amounts anyway) so it's pretty sweet if this really makes a good replacement.

I have spores on the way for my triumphant return to cultivation. Pan cyan and some South American cubensis. Think the cyans will work on coir? I guess I'll give it a try.


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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" -Update- [Re: supercollider]
    #6049181 - 09/11/06 08:05 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Supercollider, I too am back after years off the hobby. in the same exact boat as you.

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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" [Re: Oatman2000]
    #6053773 - 09/12/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

thats great but what about the issue of the later flushes which has been brought up quite a few times?


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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" [Re: A0999]
    #6054080 - 09/12/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

working on another grow log right now... B+ spawning to Coir.

I pasturized the coir for 1 hr. this time... will dunk the casings for 24 hrs after the first flush also.



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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" [Re: A0999]
    #6055003 - 09/12/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

What is this issue of later flushes?


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Re: Spawning to COIR - "Treasure Coast" [Re: supercollider]
    #6055107 - 09/12/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

There are some reports that the potency drops off dramatically after the first few flushes.

Oatman: Are you adding anything to the Coir this time?


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