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OfflinePhishe
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Jesus was ignorant
    #5907544 - 07/28/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

something i just realized about jesus, is that he was completely oblivious to space. Things that were "found out" later in time, he did not know.... don't you think that the son of god should know things like this?

I don't mean any harm to anyone by saying this, i'm simply just bringing this out.

Any discussion?


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Phishe]
    #5907661 - 07/28/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

He wasn't aware of DVDs and telephones either


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Basilides]
    #5907692 - 07/28/06 01:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How do you think he would react to the discovery of science...?


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Phishe]
    #5907715 - 07/28/06 01:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

As anything else in life. A tool used to build and evolve or one to destroy and kill.


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Phishe]
    #5907841 - 07/28/06 02:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Beats me. How would anyone back then react to it? Jesus wasn't the All-Knower, it is God; the Universal Body of Christ that is.


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Phishe]
    #5907852 - 07/28/06 02:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You see, what has been quite successfully hidden from you is that Jesus was actually FROM outerspace! He was sent to Earth to warn us AGAINST YHVH-1, a robotic-multi-laser-armed-space-station whose sole mission is to control or destroy mankind. Unfortunately, due to the ignorance of humanity at that time, Dr. Jesus (Yes, he had a Ph.d) could only explain this extraterrestrial threat with vague metaphors and allegories. To the detriment of all mankind, these teachings of Jesus have been distorted by the vile agents YHVH-1. It has possessed certain individuals with its undetectable mind-controlling beams. These subverted individuals often emphatically call themselves "Christians", which is a top-secret mnemonic. Dr. Jesus wasn't oblivious to space, the mighty YHVH-1 computer-intellegence just makes it seem so!

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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Phishe]
    #5907866 - 07/28/06 02:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

oblvious to space? i have no idea what you're trying to say


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: porcupine]
    #5907997 - 07/28/06 04:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Christ was the part-human manifestation of God, and God is ignorant, so yes Christ is ignorant as well.

(i.e. God is omnipotent and omniscient, however he rarely consults his own knowledge of everything, hence ignorance)


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: kotik]
    #5908012 - 07/28/06 04:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

but if he came down and started talking about space, cell phones, TVs, cars, and everything we have people would have thought hes crazy. Then they would have started stoning his ass for telling everyone that one day men would fly. Thats not a very successful way to start a new religion. Not to mention the fact that his real goal is to save everyones soul, even though most people hate him. That is only the speculations of a drug addict though, i could be very wrong.


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Phishe]
    #5908407 - 07/28/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Phishe said:
something i just realized about jesus, is that he was completely oblivious to space. Things that were "found out" later in time, he did not know.... don't you think that the son of god should know things like this?

I don't mean any harm to anyone by saying this, i'm simply just bringing this out.

Any discussion?




Is "your" picture of Jesus, .. A man who's father is the "man God", .. you know, that bearded dude?

Or 'you' see it as "Jesus said", that we are all God's children, and that it is nothing more special about the other, than the other..

Just "eager to learn" your view.. :wink::thumbup:

I am curious!  :grin:


Edited by Gomp (07/28/06 09:41 AM)


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Gomp]
    #5908562 - 07/28/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I was wondering the other day what jesus would think about things like cars, computers, big-box stores, cell phones and other things that we have in this day and age that they didnt have back then.


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Phishe]
    #5908814 - 07/28/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Son of God," or alternatively, "Son of Man" were titles which referred to the kings of Israel. To be a king was to be so by the Divine Right of Kingship, which later became translated to European kings in a Christian context.

The term 'son of God' became infused with the Johannine doctrine of Christ - markedly different from the Synoptic take of Jesus as 'a man anointed by God.' John's theology later colored the synoptics in the common person's mind, having turned the God anointed man into 'God clothed with flesh.' A thoroughly Greek mythological idea, which is why no self-respecting Jew would accept that doctrine. Most Literalist Christians don't have the first clue about these origins and misidentifications which theology has hybridized as the God-man Christ Jesus.

Y'shua ben Miriam, possibly the child of a Jewess named Miriam and a Roman centurian named Panthera (according to Talmudic writings), was considered to be a magician by numerous people (see Moton Smith's Jesus the Magician) - another Talmudic writing which only seems to diminish the status of Jesus if one believes that God generates a Son, but actually comes across as credible from the perspective of individuals who lived before the theology of Divine Incarnation was made doctrine. In any event, the man Jesus should not be equated with the ostensibly omniscient Godhead.

BTW, no offense taken here. A Jewish Christian Gnostic. I am thoroughly annoyed not by people who question, but by doctrine-parroting robots who are incapable of thinking for themselves, having swallowed the doctrines of other mere mortals like themselves and condemning all those who do not likewise acquiesce, like they are vegetable-people from 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers.'


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5908905 - 07/28/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

First off - when did you meet him ?
Second what have you read that he apparantly said that indicates this lack of knowledge ?
Third I am not in the least bit offended :smile:


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Mirth]
    #5908973 - 07/28/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Jesus was a man. Just like Buddha. They are men who have found the true nature of our existence. This understanding transcends thoughts. When Jesus referred to God He was referring to the thing we are all a part of, the universe. Jesus would never become a Christian of today. I believe He would be labeled an atheist like Buddhists are.


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Phishe]
    #5908983 - 07/28/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Who cares if he knew whether or not the Earth revolved around the sun? He taught his inner circle the very nature of existence itself.


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Silversoul]
    #5908990 - 07/28/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I admit its been awhile since I've read the New Testament, or the old one for that matter, but I don't recall Jesus teaching any metaphysics. His teachings all seemed to be ethically oriented.


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5909000 - 07/28/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You're just reading his exoteric teachings. Try reading the Gospel of Thomas.

Actually, even in the NT, he talks a great deal about the Kingdom of Heaven, though it's always in the form of a parable, which needs to be decifered.


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Silversoul]
    #5909010 - 07/28/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm awful skeptical that Jesus ever sermonzied about the nature of existence, but I'll take another look.


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5909016 - 07/28/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It wouldn't have been in the form of a sermon to the masses. He taught such inner teachings to an inner circle of his disciples, of whom Mary Magdelene was his most trusted. He taught different things to different groups of people according to what they were able to comprehend, just like the Buddha did.


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Re: Jesus was ignorant [Re: Silversoul]
    #5909032 - 07/28/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I was under the impression that Jesus was not in fact a historical person, and more of an metaphor himself.


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