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Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ?
    #5904923 - 07/27/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This is my first grow attempt and it's not been going too well.
This is with a myco-bag aswell, i thought they were fairly fool proof but anyway  :smile:.

It's been pinning for around 3 weeks. I made a post the other day saying how they seemed to of stopped growing, the biggest pin halted at about an inch tall.
I was advised that the bag could either be too low on humidity or too dry, it looked alittle dry on top so i sprayed it gently and injected afew cc's of clean water into afew places. I also added some more water to the perlite to try increase humidity abit.

It's been a week since i did that and they don't look like their growing at all, if they are it's very slow.

Ive got a feeling that this flush is going to be a failure, i don't want to leave the shrooms for too long in case they start to rot.

So i'm wondering what i can do basically.
Do you think it's might be worth me picking the shrooms that have tried to grow, then wait and try for a second flush ?
Or would i be able to use the colonized grain to spawn to straw ?
I don't know what to do for the best.

I'd prefer to spawn it if i can but i'm not sure whether my grain is viable.

Thanks for any help !!

This is a pic of my bag as it is today, it's looked like this for about 2 weeks  :frown:.



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Re: Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5904954 - 07/27/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

what perlite?

where is the bag?

what type of bag?

bag open or closed?

what is in the bag?


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Re: Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5904977 - 07/27/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If it's been a week you need to pick all the aborts, I'm surprised they aren't rotting yet. Try and tell us as much about what you're doing as possible and maybe we can help you get a better second flush. what kind of FC, temp, humidity, how much FAE.


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Re: Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5905045 - 07/27/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This is my bag, i keep it closed.
Ive been keeping it offset under a window out of direct sunlight.



I didn't mist it at all at first because my instructions said it was optional, when i injected the bag i used the whole syringe because i didn't really know what i was doing.
I thought by me doing that it would have enough moisture already so i didn't spray at first until it started looking dry.
Even now i don't want to spray it much because it has pins, i still open it once or twice a day for air exchange.

After i injected some water the mycelium did look better, all the myc piss had dried up but it's back again now.

The temp their kept at has been anything from 77-86f during the day, at night it drops to around 69f.

I have a tub and some straw i can use if i was to spawn it, i just don't know if it's worth me waiting for a second flush if the first has been so poor.
If i wait and i get another lame flush by that time my myc might be contaminated and useless ( if it's not already )

I don't know what to do.


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Re: Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5905058 - 07/27/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You can't use a spent substrate to spawn to straw. You need young, agressive mycelium to use as spawn. I'd take that out and dunk, then return to the bag to try for a second flush. This time, cut some holes in the bottom of the bag near the perlite and another hole or two at the top to provide for some air exchange.
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Re: Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5905067 - 07/27/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

open your bag and fan it a few times a day.

lower your temps to 74-77 degrees.

DO mist, and fan after each misting.

that perlite should be rinsed and damp.
not sitting in standing water.

take out the perlite, rinse it and drain it.
put it back in the bag.
put the substrate in there too.

you need that bag to open a few times a day.
for one, the humidity is too high for a cased substrate,
and for two your mushrooms need some air to breathe.
they breathe like we do.

there needs to be moisture evaporating from your casing layer,
so it should be glistening from your misting,
and the fanning and lower humidity will create evaporation.

good luck.

mixing that substrate with straw is not my recommended advice.
fruit as is.

after your first flush fruits mature from your new adjustment
of parameters...
dunk that substrate and go for a second flush.


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Re: Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5905074 - 07/27/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you' i'll try.
If i do that, after ive dunked it would i leave it out of it's foil covering and place it straight into the bag. Or would i need to put fresh foil around the bottom ?


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Re: Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5905082 - 07/27/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

keep the sides and bottom shielded from light.


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Re: Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5905090 - 07/27/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well the thing is, this myc has already gone through most of it's lifecycle. Trying to get it to go back to vegetative growth and then back to fruiting is gonna be alot of strain. Here is what I would do. Pick all the aborts. Make sure you get as much as possible so it doesn't rot.

Fill a tupperware or something with water. If you can take off all that foil without it breaking apart, do that. Then submerge it in the tupperware and put it in the fridge for 24 hours.

When it's back in the bag, mist is twice and day and give it a good fanning with a book or something every 4-6 hours as possible.


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Re: Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5905096 - 07/27/06 11:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks, i'm alittle confused.
I know what i need to do now, but do you think it's worth me trying to save the pins i have or should i pick them and go for a second flush ?
I scared them might start to rot, they have been there along time.

That's all brilliant advice though thanks alot !


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Re: Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5905107 - 07/27/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

if the heads are black, they are aborts and can be removed.

if the heads are reddish-orangish, you know healthy, don't
pick them.

They will mature if treated correctly.

Never pick any primordia that does not have a black cap.


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Re: Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5905113 - 07/27/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Right,,, so i should take off all the old pins and start fresh using the advice you have all given me ?

That makes sense. I'll try, it's my first effort so it's all experience.
I will start using the PF tek from now on, as soon as i can buy a pressure cooker and afew other things i still need..

Thanks again !


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Re: Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5905118 - 07/27/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

do not remove any pins...

unless the caps are black.
if so they have aborted and are beginning to rot.

if the cap is not black, do not remove it.
even if you are going to dunk,
just dunk the casing with the pins on it.
dunking won't hurt the pins, unless they get ripped off somehow.








only pick primordia with blackening caps,
don't pick any healthy pins, those are what you want.


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Re: Spawn to Straw, or risk a Second Flush ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5905121 - 07/27/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I get ya !
Sorry there's alot of cross posting going on.
I'll make afew changes to my bag, pick off all the aborts then in a weeks time, if the healthy pins don't seem to be doing alot i'll pick them too and dunk.
After that i'll follow all the advice given :smile:.

Sounds good !

EDIT: Ahh i see, just read it all again ! Yeah i get you now.
Thanks alot people !


Edited by Mike_yy (07/27/06 12:08 PM)


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