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Some UFO stuff from astronauts
#5904821 - 07/27/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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First Men on Moon Saw UFOs 25-Jul-2006
Buzz Aldrin In the documentary "Apollo 11: The Untold Story," shown on Britain's Channel Five on Monday night, July 24, astronaut Buzz Aldrin says he, Neil Armstrong and Michael Collins all saw a UFO shadowing their spacecraft. Apollo 11, which took off on July 16, 1969, was the first manned mission to the moon. Aldrin says, "There was something out there, close enough to be observed, and what could it be?" In the documentary, he says, "Now, obviously the three of us weren't going to blurt out, 'Hey, Houston, we've got something moving alongside of us and we don't know what it is,' you know? We weren't about to do that, because we knew that that those transmissions would be heard by all sorts of people and somebody might have demanded we turn back because of aliens or whatever the reason is." He says NASA knew about the UFO but covered up the information.
It has just been learned that all but two of the 700 boxes of Apollo 11 videos are mysteriously missing from the National Archives. The footage of the Apollo 11 mission was recorded on special 1-inch magnetic tape, and the only machines that can play it are at Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, which is being closed in the fall of 2006.
Astronaut Gordon Cooper, who took part in the earlier Mercury and Gemini missions, had his first UFO sighting as an Air Force pilot. He later said that a UFO landed at Edwards Air Force Base. In 1985, Cooper testified at the UN, saying, "I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth. For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us." Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, who was the 6th man to walk on the moon, has also said he believes in the existence of UFOs.
Whitley Strieber comments, "I was on a television program in the UK with Buzz Aldrin where he treated me with ill- concealed contempt and stated categorically that he had never seen a UFO. While I am glad that he has finally admitted a truth that I was told by other astronauts many years ago, I will never forget his treatment of me. In contrast, Edgar Mitchell and Gordon Cooper were forthcoming with me. If there are craft guided by nonhumans in our skies, then we would be fools to assume that they are not also on the ground and in our lives. It's time for organizations like NASA to stop lying and get on with the process of contact."
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: Stein]
#5904838 - 07/27/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Now, obviously the three of us weren't going to blurt out, 'Hey, Houston, we've got something moving alongside of us and we don't know what it is,' you know? We weren't about to do that, because we knew that that those transmissions would be heard by all sorts of people and somebody might have demanded we turn back because of aliens or whatever the reason is." He says NASA knew about the UFO but covered up the information.
i remember seeing a video where it has a transmission from space, where the astronauts actually say something like "Houston, we have a santa" (in the context of the video, you are lead to believe santa = code word for UFO / alien).
but I don't believe in such things because Hollywood embraces them too much.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: kotik]
#5904846 - 07/27/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've heard that same thing you're talking about.
There's also people who claim to be listening via shortwave radio who got more than those who watched on television.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: kotik]
#5904861 - 07/27/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well yeah could be true as well as it couldn't. I saw millions of times "things" on the sky and very weird too but never payed to much attention. Also if you have noticed, all the aliens from the movies are bad and want to destroy this earth. Now if they would really be visiting our planet as many people sustain, I think they would of destroyed us till now millions of times, I mean come on, if they got the technology to travel in the space they also have the technology to destroy us and make the entire humans population vanish. If they really exist they're trying to help more likely.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: MushroomTrip]
#5904905 - 07/27/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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or rather, if they are that smart to travel through the solar system(s), then they should be smart enough to stay the fuck away from our ignorant ass planet.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: kotik]
#5905200 - 07/27/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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> then they should be smart enough to stay the fuck away from our ignorant ass planet.
But we have cows... 
Being that the reports are coming from astronauts, I find them much more credible than the typical "tinfoil hat" crowd. However, this was very early in the space program. What might have seemed like an alien craft at the time might be something we take for granted know. Millions of glowing fireflies then turns out to be frozen liquid reflecting sunlight now, as an example.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: Stein]
#5905210 - 07/27/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aldrin says, "There was something out there, close enough to be observed, and what could it be?"
The first time the Apollo astronauts dumped urine overboard, it instantly froze into millions of tiny shards of ice in the cold, hard vacuum of space. It traveled alongside the space craft oddly reflecting sunlight for quite a while, and for a long time nobody knew what it was.
Since nobody knew what it was, UFO proponents, who in general are completely unable to apply the tiniest bit of critical thinking to anything they encounter, called it an alien space craft instead of an unknown space thing.
Eventually, when the urine was identified by NASA scientists, the UFO proponents latched on to the next "unidentified" thing they could find in the videos and photographs, and called THAT an alien ship.
This cycle repeats ad nauseam to this day. 
If you don't know what it is, say "I don't know what it is" or "It could be anything", not "It's a reptile from Sirius".
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: Diploid]
#5912774 - 07/29/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Check out 'Riddle of the Skies' by channel 4 they have loads of NASA footage and recordings.
There's one where a female astronaut clearly states 'we have an unidentified object'.
There's one film that really got me, a big disc on the surface of the moon. The footage is pretty crisp and clearly shows a classic saucer type object sat on the moon.
Another astronaut saw flashes and orbs on the moon, they checked the seismometers for activity (the likely cause, asteroids would leave an impact trace) and there was nothing to explain what he was seeing.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: Diploid]
#5917654 - 07/31/06 03:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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While I usually agree with you I think you are taking an odd course here. No one is saying its a particular alien group from Sirius or anything specific at all. You bring up the example of urine, but then you completely discount the article by claiming that people are latching onto something else. But the problem is you dont know what something else they are talking about as the article does not go into it, and thus have no credible basis for immediately discounting it. You are basically saying, well X happened, and Im putting this article under the same line of thinking as X therefore its false.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: TheCow]
#5917671 - 07/31/06 03:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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maybe theyknow something about us we dont even know maybe were like a very netertaining show like in a terarium but for the galaxy to laugh at and tlak about each day until we discover whats hidden inside ourselfs and grasp beyond dimensions and the laughing is no more.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: nub]
#5926823 - 08/02/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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more from the same website... web page
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Controversy: Did Buzz Aldrin See UFOs on Apollo 11 Mission? 03-Aug-2006
Buzz Aldrin On Coast to Coast AM on Sunday night, George Noory asked astronaut Buzz Aldrin if he had seen any unknown objects on Apollo 11. He replied by telling the story of how he had sued Charles Berlitz for publishing a story to the effect that he had claimed to have seen aliens on the mission. He did not mention having seen UFOs, and the implication was that he had not done so. However, he said something VERY DIFFERENT in a recent UK documentary called "Apollo 11: the Untold Story," which was first aired last year on British TV, and was repeated on July 24. Keep reading for a transcript from that show. Narrator: But three days and 200,000 miles into the flight, Mission Control did miss the significance of a cryptic message from Apollo 11.
Apollo 11: 'Do you have any idea where the S-IVB is with respect to us?
Mission Control: 'Stand-by' Narrator: The Crew required information on the current position of the S-IVB, the final stage of the rocket which had been jettisoned away 2 days earlier. This short message hid an extraordinary turn of events: Apollo 11 wasn't alone in space.
Buzz Aldrin: There was something out there that, uh, was close enough to be observed and what could it be?
Narrator: Traveling along side of Apollo 11 was a mysterious object like this one (a ringed object at close range is shown), filmed on a later mission. If it wasn't part of their own rocket, it could only be one thing, a UFO.
Aldrin: Mike (Collins) decided he thought he could see it in the telescope and he was able to do that and when it was in one position, that had a series of ellipses, but when you made it real sharp it was sort of L shaped. That didn't tell us very much.
Dr. David Baker (Apollo 11 Senior Scientist): NASA knew very little about, um, the object reported by the Apollo 11 crew. It was obviously an unidentified flying object, but such objects were not uncommon and the history of even earth orbit space flights going back over the previous years indicated that several crews saw objects.
Narrator: Despite having a clear view of the UFO, the crew were wary of reporting it to Mission Control.
Aldrin: Now, obviously, the three of us were not going to blurt out, 'Hey Houston we got something moving along side of us and we don't know what it is, you know, can you tell us what it is?'. We weren't about to do that, cause we know that those transmissions would be heard by all sorts of people and who knows what somebody would have demanded that we turn back because of Aliens or whatever the reason is, so we didn't do that but we did decide we'd just cautiously ask Houston where, how far away was the S-IVB?
Narrator: Unaware of the drama unfolding in space, Mission Control radioed the position back to Apollo 11.
Mission Control: 'Apollo 11, Houston. The S-IVB is about 6,000 nautical miles from you now, over.'
Aldrin: And a few moments later, why they came back and said something like it was 6,000 miles away because of the maneuver, so we really didn't think we were looking at something that far away, so we decided that after a while of watching it, it was time to go to sleep and not to talk about it anymore until we came back and (went through) debriefing. Narrator: To this day, whatever it was that the crew saw has never been positively identified or officially acknowledged.
Dr. David Baker: There were a lot of people within the program who went off later and became convinced that UFOs existed and that lead to some concern on NASA's part where they got the agreement of the crew never to publicly talk about these things for fear of ridicule.
Whitley Strieber comments: Gordon Cooper and Edgar Mitchell have both said that they believe UFOs exist, and Cooper provided extensive descriptions of his own sightings in interviews and in his book, Leap of Faith. Dr. Paul Hill, one of NASA's chief engineers from 1939 to 1970, has described spectacular UFO sightings in his book Unconventional Flying Objects.
Now Buzz Aldrin says that he and at least one of the other Apollo 11 astronauts saw an unknown object on the outbound Apollo 11 flight. He offers no comment about what it was because, obviously, he and his fellow crew members were unable to identify it. However, these are all sterling UFO reports by some of the leading lights of American aeronautical science.
Dr. David Baker's statement in the British documentary is the most telling: "There were a lot of people within the program who went off later and became convinced that UFOs existed and that lead to some concern on NASA's part where they got the agreement of the crew never to publicly talk about these things for fear of ridicule."
For fear of ridicule? If NASA was frank about what its scientists and astronauts have seen it could END the ridicule, all of it, worldwide, in a single stroke.
Instead, we discover that, at virtually the same time that the British documentary was aired, all of the high resolution photography from Apollo 11 has gone missing.
I don't think that NASA is just avoiding fear of ridicule. It must have a much stronger reason than that for covering up what it knows about UFOs, which there is no question in my mind that it is doing.
Why does it matter so much? The implant in my own left ear would be one good reason, and along with it the welfare of the millions of people like me who have had close encounters, and are living their lives involved with this unknown presence.
To say that it's a long step from admitting that UFOs are real to saying that close encounters might be happening is dead wrong. It's a very short step.
Look at it this way: what if we were able to travel among the stars, and we found another planet with a less-advanced civilization on it? Two things would happen. First, those beings would become of intense interest; second, our anthropologists would take immediate steps to study them without in any way disturbing their civilization.
In other words, we would react exactly as the visitors have reacted to us, and for precisely the same reasons.
I believe that THEY are here. What they are or where they are from I do not know. But I know where they are on planet earth: they are hiding right in the middle of our lives. I reach up and touch the lump in my left ear: the visitors are here, now, and NASA and the official world need to face this fact
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: sparks8]
#5930478 - 08/04/06 04:14 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Narrator: Traveling along side of Apollo 11 was a mysterious object like this one (a ringed object at close range is shown), filmed on a later mission. If it wasn't part of their own rocket, it could only be one thing, a UFO.
They lost me with this line. At this point it is obvious that the presentation is heavily biased and not worth following.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: Seuss]
#5930760 - 08/04/06 08:19 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Most stuff on the net is.
It really pisses me off because then we wonder why theres little credible research; The good evidence is sitting in a pool of hoaxes and misinformation!
You really have to check out riddle of the skies. Some of the nasa footage / recordings on there is shocking. Theres so much good evidence out there but most people will never see it, the really good stuff with legit sources are just not easy to find on the net.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: Ego Death]
#5931019 - 08/04/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: sparks8]
#5933615 - 08/05/06 01:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cool,
but its nothing new and theres nothing on there that will convince anybody its E.T.
If the world hasn't sussed it out yet, I don't think they will until we are told.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: Ego Death]
#5934160 - 08/05/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not saying this proves anything. However Buzz saying, or admitting, publicly that they saw some sort of U.F.O. on the Apollo mission is new. How credible is Buzz's word? that depends i suppose but it could be about as good as it comes. So he said they saw something, could have been anything, but it seems hes implying it was a UFO in the classic sense of the term. Still nothing is "proven" other than he "believes", at best.
IMHO there are enough videos, pics and personally testimony to convince a rational person something intelligent and for the most part unknown exists and is interacting with humans.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: sparks8]
#5937894 - 08/06/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I completely agree with you 
Sadly though, I think the majority does not share our viewpoint.
I don't ses how people can deny the mass of personal testimony, but many people on here who I've debated with do deny its validity.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: Ego Death]
#5939954 - 08/07/06 06:49 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Watch this one UFO - Cylinder Chased by Soviet MIG-21 Accelerates
I dismiss this as sky and cloud debris
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: Stein]
#5940651 - 08/07/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: nub]
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: sleepy]
#5945231 - 08/08/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stein said: Watch this one UFO - Cylinder Chased by Soviet MIG-21 Accelerates
I dismiss this as sky and cloud debris
At first I thought it was the shadow of the MIG, but after it shot off at estimated 3G's in less then 10 seconds?? If there is a scientific way of analyzing that video I would believe it to be a UFO.
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sleepy said: http://www.station1.net/douglasjones/aconvers.htm
"A conventional wisdom on this question is that these aliens are concerned that our fragile minds might fall apart when they make first contact, and they don’t want this to happen. I think this is a very reasonable assumption. A lot of people don’t agree with this"
Ok I don't understand how are minds could just fall apart if they contacted us... If we were to try contacting an ant does it die? No. Can we verbally speak to it, No. But couldn't we create synthetic chemicals that the ant uses to communicate? Yes but it would only tell them to follow the trail to find food. I don't know where Im going with this, Im just typing as I think. All I know is that if theyre were extra-terrestials and they wanted to contact us they would of found a way by now.
The reason I dig the whole topic so much is that my Mom who would never tell an outright lie, told me how her and her friend were driving along a highway in the middle of the night, when suddenly a spacecraft lit up on top of an overpass and flew off...and no she has never done any drugs in her life.
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: musicturkey]
#5946543 - 08/09/06 04:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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At first I thought it was the shadow of the MIG, but after it shot off at estimated 3G's in less then 10 seconds?? If there is a scientific way of analyzing that video I would believe it to be a UFO.
I'm really no expert on this kind of stuff so I'm just asking. When you say you thought it was a shadow of the mig what was it shadowing off of?
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: musicturkey]
#5946825 - 08/09/06 09:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok I don't understand how are minds could just fall apart if they contacted us... If we were to try contacting an ant does it die? No. Can we verbally speak to it, No. But couldn't we create synthetic chemicals that the ant uses to communicate? Yes but it would only tell them to follow the trail to find food. I don't know where Im going with this, Im just typing as I think. All I know is that if theyre were extra-terrestials and they wanted to contact us they would of found a way by now.
think about it like this:
if you are growing mushrooms, then you inject spores into a medium, then you let that medium SIT THERE in an isolated, sealed environment for a certain length of time before you fuck with it.
you try as best you can not to get in there and fuck with it unless you absolutely have to.
see where I'm goin with this...
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Re: Some UFO stuff from astronauts [Re: musicturkey]
#5946838 - 08/09/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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of course i havent read the whole thread.....
but i think its funny how people automatically assume that aliens would want to talk to us.
just because we have the ability to build cities and bombs, and kill other animals, it doesnt really make us the more intelligent species. perhaps one of the most destructive.
if aliens have been watching us all this time, and saw how we have enslaved diffrent people and fight wars...maybe they dont want to have anything to with us.
maybe theyd rather communicate with squid or whales. ( i consider them to be very intelligent which is why i used them as examples)
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