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drying my mushrooms...
    #5904689 - 07/27/06 09:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i've looked everywhere in town for calcium chloride and it seems like no one has it. i'm also a bit hesitant to order it online. is there anything else common that i can use to dry out my beautiful mushrooms?


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: daytripper31]
    #5904704 - 07/27/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yes.

a Nesco American Harvest Food Dehydrator!!!

the snackmaster pro is the way to go.

desiccants are messy, costly, and take time.
food dehydrators dry cracker dry every time and with no mess.

plus they stack vertically and take up very little space.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: monstermitch]
    #5904711 - 07/27/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

^ he is telling it, like it is.

You can also dry fruit, herbs & the like, in one. Not to mention, make jerky.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: monstermitch]
    #5904719 - 07/27/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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yes.

a Nesco American Harvest Food Dehydrator!!!

the snackmaster pro is the way to go.

desiccants are messy, costly, and take time.
food dehydrators dry cracker dry every time and with no mess.

plus they stack vertically and take up very little space.




anything a little less costly? funds aren't exactly where they would need to be for that at the moment...


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: daytripper31]
    #5904728 - 07/27/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If there are thrift stores, in your area. Shop them.
I found a $150 dehydrator in one, for $10. :grin:


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: daytripper31]
    #5904759 - 07/27/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Use that silica cat litter. It's just like the silica desiccant that they sell, but it's cheaper. It's the kind that looks like crystals or semi-clear pearls.

Food dehydrators are a waste of money anyway, unless you can get them really cheap. You can build something yourself for next to nothing that will have much better performance. e.g. a box fan and some bread racks.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #5904776 - 07/27/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

and if your even cheaper, you can use a fan. But I'd go with the dehydrator. It seems to dry them just right.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #5904785 - 07/27/06 09:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

>>>>Food dehydrators are a waste of money anyway, unless you can get them really cheap.

I disagree.

When you spend the money, effort, and time to cultivate shrooms.
Why chance, having the fruits rot.

Once you have a harvest, you should take the best possible care, to store it.
Otherwise, it can turn to crap, fairly quickly.

A decent dehydrator is not expensive NEW, even cheaper used.
They are made to dehydrate food products, for long term preservation.
They work every-time, 100% satisfaction.

Other cobbled together means, and methods don't always work 100%.

The old hands, all seem to have a Nesco, or equivalent dehydrator.

What's that tell you?


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5904819 - 07/27/06 10:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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>>>>Food dehydrators are a waste of money anyway, unless you can get them really cheap.

I disagree.

When you spend the money, effort, and time to cultivate shrooms.
Why chance, having the fruits rot.

Once you have a harvest, you should take the best possible care, to store it.
Otherwise, it can turn to crap, fairly quickly.

A decent dehydrator is not expensive NEW, even cheaper used.
They are made to dehydrate food products, for long term preservation.
They work every-time, 100% satisfaction.

Other cobbled together means, and methods don't always work 100%.

The old hands, all seem to have a Nesco, or equivalent dehydrator.

What's that tell you?





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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5904842 - 07/27/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> A decent dehydrator is not expensive NEW, even cheaper used.

Hmmm... The ones I've seen are $80-120. That's just for what is basically just a few cheap plastic racks and a little heating element. Most of the ones I've seen don't even have a fan in them.

You'll get better performance for much cheaper with a box fan and any sort of racks. As long as you have airflow around the fruits there is no way you can go wrong.

> They work every-time, 100% satisfaction.

They don't produce the airflow that a boxfan will, so they aren't going to remove the bulk of the moisture as fast as a box fan will. So you end up with slightly more rotting than with fan drying. That's why I don't like the dehydrators. There's also the heat issue.

With a dehydrator your basically trading airflow-based drying for heat-based drying. It's slower (at least at getting the first 25% of the moisture out) and it speeds up any undesired reactions that are going on.

If you do even a half-assed job of cobbling a fan drying unit together it will work 100% every time and you'll save money and end up with better drying capacity and quality.

> The old hands, all seem to have a Nesco, or equivalent dehydrator.
> What's that tell you?

Suckas!


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #5904847 - 07/27/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

FF,

have you ever used a nesco?


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: monstermitch]
    #5904879 - 07/27/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I once had a ronco. I made fruit roll-ups, banana chips, raisins all that shit they hype it for. Never even thought about using it for mushrooms.

I put together a setup that used some soda crates or bread trays or whatever you call them with a box fan on top. It was so cheap and worked so well I never even thought about using anything else again.

If you can find the crates I'm talking about you'll see what a great system it is. They're like plastic milk crates except they are about the size of a box fan and the sides are solid. They also use almost the same ones in industrial dishwashers. Anyway companies and stores often leave them out back, free for the taking.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #5904883 - 07/27/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yea i jacked mine from the home depot hotdog stand lol..had tons of them


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: unkempt]
    #5904902 - 07/27/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)


+

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= the best drying system you can have.  Higher capacity, faster drying, and no heating.  Beats a food dehydrator hands down.  And if you're thrifty you can build it for aound $6 if you snag the racks and buy a thrift store fan.  That should leave some money for duct tape and other misc supplies you might need.

The best racks are just like these except they have solid sides.  You would have to duct tape the holes in the sides if you want good airflow with say a 8 tray unit.

Then again maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.  It's not like I've dried a lot of mushrooms or anything.  :wink:


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #5904918 - 07/27/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> yea i jacked mine from the home depot hotdog stand lol..had tons of them

Yep, those are the ones! Now that you mention it, I have seen them lying around hotdog stands and roach coaches.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #5904943 - 07/27/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Just move to Arizona. Set them on the counter and they'll be cracker dry in 24 hours.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #5904948 - 07/27/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I once had a ronco.  I made fruit roll-ups, banana chips, raisins all that shit they hype it for.  Never even thought about using it for mushrooms.-FF




exactly.

why don't you go to a thrift store and buy one.

use it and then come back and talk your trash about it.

how can you expect people to believe you?
you speak against things you haven't even tried!
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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: monstermitch]
    #5904974 - 07/27/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> why don't you go to a thrift store and buy one.

For one, I only grow oysters now and I don't dry them. For another you seem to be missing the point. If I had 20 pounds of fresh mushrooms to dry I wouldn't even be able to get a quarter of them in an $80+ food dehydrator.

> use it and then come back and talk your trash about it.

I'm not trying to talk trash about food dehydrators, I'm just telling you a better way to do things. If you don't mind a small capacity, small height racks that make you pull the caps off the big ones, and a 5-10% potency loss from the heat drying then by all means use a food dehydrator. More power to you. It's certainly an easy solution. Some people probably are just too busy to spend time building a superior system.

The main point that I hope you get... Is that airflow dries BETTER than heat. That's why I'm not going to run out and get another dehydrator.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #5904983 - 07/27/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I set the nesco to 97 degrees.

I highly doubt that I loose 5-10% potency.

I highly doubt that your superior system can get them
Cracker Dry.

You can stack each unit 22 trays high.
There are spacer trays for very large caps,
or just lay them flat.

to each his own, and I have no problem with that.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: monstermitch]
    #5904985 - 07/27/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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I once had a ronco.  I made fruit roll-ups, banana chips, raisins all that shit they hype it for.  Never even thought about using it for mushrooms.-FF



how can you expect people to believe you?
you speak against things you haven't even tried!
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My point was that in my situation, even though I had one, it was so obviously inferior to the system I made that I didn't even consider using the dehydrator.

My first and second crops were mostly eaten wet by me and my friends, the remaining extra bits were dried in front of a fan.  For my 3rd crop until I retired my yields were FAR too large to fit in a single dehydrator.  Even if I had had double the racks in the dehydrator it wouldn't have been able to dry what I had so obviously it wasn't going to work.  So I came up with a better system.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #5905005 - 07/27/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

by the way...

Ronco's are crap!
so your system probably would have worked much better.

but whatever, I see your point and you see mine.
so does everyone else.

all is good.

it is a good thing to have too many to fit into a nesco...
so I own three.
with a few dozen extra racks.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #5905034 - 07/27/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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> why don't you go to a thrift store and buy one.

For one, I only grow oysters now and I don't dry them.  For another you seem to be missing the point.  If I had 20 pounds of fresh mushrooms to dry I wouldn't even be able to get a quarter of them in an $80+ food dehydrator.

> use it and then come back and talk your trash about it.

I'm not trying to talk trash about food dehydrators, I'm just telling you a better way to do things.  If you don't mind a small capacity, small height racks that make you pull the caps off the big ones, and a 5-10% potency loss from the heat drying then by all means use a food dehydrator.  More power to you.  It's certainly an easy solution.  Some people probably are just too busy to spend time building a superior system.

The main point that I hope you get...  Is that airflow dries BETTER than heat.  That's why I'm not going to run out and get another dehydrator.


-FF




Some very good points...

not everyone does things the same way in this hobby...

lots of different things work!~


I prefer the American Harvest dehydrators...
I pick them up at 2nd hand stores all the time.

I can even get extra racks from broken ones...
for a fraction of the cost of new ones.
Last month I got 4 racks and a spare lid for $2.00

I probably have 32 racks now...
and several spare base units...in case one ever burns out.

I have given several dehydrators away to Shroomery friends over the years.

I will only buy them from 2nd hand stores...
most of the time they look like they were never used!~

$2.00 to $7.99 seems to be the range they are in at the Thrift stores...
sure beats paying full retail on them.

So go search those 2nd hand stores!~

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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: monstermitch]
    #5905274 - 07/27/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If a food dehydrator uses heat to dry, then that's bad. It even says so in the PF Tek everyone should know. Cool drying is supposed to be optimal.

I use a box fan on top of a milk crate. And I use a mesh screen cut to the size of the fan to keep the mushrooms from falling into the it. The fan makes em nice and dry in about 12-24hrs. Then I put my babies inside a makeshift air tight desiccant chamber. The whole prcess takes about 48hrs to get em cracker dry depending on humidity. Of course, humidity is only a factor during the fan drying process. But most of you with A/C won't have that problem so 36-48hrs max should get you to cracker dry. :mushroom2:

It's a a cheap way to do it for those on a budget and plus it's easier to find another box fan in the most unlikely event one should break down on you.

And obviously Roadkill knows what he's talking about. I wonder if that food dehydrator he has uses heat to dry?


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: 76degrees]
    #5905354 - 07/27/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Using a fan only.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to dry a mushroom below more than a few percent of the ambient Rh of the air blowing through a fan.

So, if your ambient Rh is 24%, you will have about 20% moisture remaining in the mushroom.

That is NOT cracker dry.

Most peep's who use a dehydrator, have one with adjustable temp settings.
Most, set that between 95 & 100F.

Simply because, if you don't apply a few degrees of heat.
(over the ambient air temp)

They will NOT get cracker dry.

Simple as that.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5905377 - 07/27/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That's why you use a fan first to get most of the moisture out and then an air tight desiccant chamber. That way you don't have to worry about the heat from the dehydrator. This method is described in most begginner teks. I don't hink anyone is arguing a fan by itself could possibly get a shroom carcker dry unless the air was very dry to begin with - Lol!


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: monstermitch]
    #5905398 - 07/27/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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desiccants are messy, costly, and take time.
food dehydrators dry cracker dry every time and with no mess.

plus they stack vertically and take up very little space.




yeah okay,

so you have this rather large box fan and rack setup.
and on top of that...

you have to have tub after tub of desiccant chambers for
your 20 pounds or whatever.

lots of space, lots of work, I have done it before.

each nesco with a top an bottom unit set at 97 each can hold 22 trays.

in those 22 trays, you can fit 10 fresh pounds, one dry.

I'd like to hear a valid argument on how using 97 degree air
makes me lose potency.

you can't beat their effeciency in my opinion.
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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: monstermitch]
    #5905404 - 07/27/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I paid $5 for my nesco  :grin:


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: monstermitch]
    #5905434 - 07/27/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Again, I agree with MM.

Nesco, or similar are simple SET IT & FORGET IT operations.

Easy, cost effective & perfectly efficient.

You simply cannot beat that.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5905484 - 07/27/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5905538 - 07/27/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> They will NOT get cracker dry.

Fan drying will get them cracker dry unless you live in a high humidity area.

It is quite possible to dry things to a moisture percentage below the RH.

The rate of drying is determined by the moisture content, the temperature, the relative humidity, air pressure (elevation), and the velocity of the air over the fruits.

In general the drying rate decreases with decreasing moisture content, increases with air temperature, decreases with increase in air humidity, increases with a decrease in air pressure, and increases with higher air velocity.

You can't dry to a lower moisture content than the EMC (Equilibrium Moisture Content) of your substance related to the temperature and humidity of the drying air. But that is not to say that you can't dry to a moisture content below the RH. That is wrong. The equations are too complex to get into here, but each material has its own entirely specific equilibrium moisture content.

For example milled rice has an EMC of 23.6% @ 100% RH @ 25C and an EMC of 11.5% @ 50% RH @ 25C. That means that even at 100% RH you can dry milled rice to a 23.6% moisture content. At 50% RH you can dry it to 11.5% moisture content.

The drying rate, not the final moisture content, is what is mainly affected by the RH.

Anyway you CAN get them cracker dry with fan drying unless you live in a high humidity area. Even if you do you can get the vast majority of moisture out of them and finish up with a desiccant.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #5905558 - 07/27/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> I'd like to hear a valid argument on how using 97 degree air makes me lose potency.

Based on the Arrhenius equation, for every 10C increase in temp you are doubling the rate of reaction. 97 degrees is more than 10C over room temp so you are doubling the decomposition rate of your actives. Your dehydrator isn't producing nearly the airflow of a boxfan, so you'll be lucky if you dry them in the same amount of time.

So if fan drying would lose 2.5% activity, you will be losing 5%. If fan drying would lose 5% then you're losing 10%.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: monstermitch]
    #5906065 - 07/27/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: toole]
    #10453024 - 06/04/09 10:49 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

My shrooms have gone black when they have dried...is this normal?


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: salami]
    #10453101 - 06/04/09 11:12 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

No, if your mushrooms turn black when they dry, they have gone to hell. :thumbdown:


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: Drewwyann]
    #10453152 - 06/04/09 11:26 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

bugger...this is how they are looking...





not black, just dark.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: salami]
    #10453211 - 06/04/09 11:37 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Please don't bump old threads.

It's hard to tell from your  picture, but that doesn't look very much like bruising.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: OttoGenerated]
    #10453235 - 06/04/09 11:41 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

It's not bruising, they have been dried. Checking if they are ok.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: salami]
    #10453596 - 06/04/09 12:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

If it's not bruising, it's probably not a good thing that they're that color. You might want take a better photo, so that we can tell what's going on with them.

Also, if they smell or have any other signs of disease, you might want to make a post on the contamination forum.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: OttoGenerated]
    #10456016 - 06/04/09 07:12 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

They don't smell or anything, they are just dry.





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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: salami]
    #10468957 - 06/08/09 12:39 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Shitty drying job.  Those are half rotten.  Throw them out unless you're really hard up.

They should be OK, but they are definitely low quality.  You're taking your chances with rotten shrooms.  99.98% chance they aren't rotted with anything harmful, but it's still a bummer.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #10469220 - 06/08/09 02:07 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

...damprid....  :foreheadslap:


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #10469363 - 06/08/09 03:25 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

you guys make this harder than it needs to be.

get one of those portable space heaters...

get a bunch of milk crates and wire more "shelves" into the crates...i used chicken wire. milk crates are free from the backs of stores.. if you ask of coarse.

once you have your milk crates full of whatever you grow, turn the space heater on and put a box fan (big ol' white one from target for like 10 bucks) in between the heater and the crate and viola!

got yourself a near industrial size dehydrator for pretty cheap.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #10469542 - 06/08/09 05:33 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Ewwwwww  I would not eat those!  they should still be white..  all it takes is a fan on them, maybe a desiccant or food dehydrator to finish it if needed.


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: plox]
    #10469545 - 06/08/09 05:35 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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you guys make this harder than it needs to be.

get one of those portable space heaters...

get a bunch of milk crates and wire more "shelves" into the crates...i used chicken wire. milk crates are free from the backs of stores.. if you ask of coarse.

once you have your milk crates full of whatever you grow, turn the space heater on and put a box fan (big ol' white one from target for like 10 bucks) in between the heater and the crate and viola!

got yourself a near industrial size dehydrator for pretty cheap.



OMFG THAT'S GENIUS! :bow2:


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: fastfred]
    #10469725 - 06/08/09 07:36 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I bake Epsom Salt for an Hour @ 400 degrees(f) then put it in a tupperware tub, place a paper towel over it, then put the mushrooms in it, seal on the lid, ...they're cracker dry in 2-3 days.:thumbup:

Cheap+Effective!

oh, but wait, before I do that, I have to Fan dry em for 24 hours!!


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Re: drying my mushrooms... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #10494894 - 06/12/09 03:26 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Heating them is not a good idea.  It's not necessary.

Airflow is the most important thing.  In most climates a fan will have them cracker dry in 24 hours.  If you have high humidity then fan dry them first then throw them in with some desiccant.


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