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Blending religions & philosophies
    #5904488 - 07/27/06 06:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I see it alot in how people adopting different religions and trying to incorporate them in one view. I've done it myself but this seems to not make any sense IMO

I can see incorporating ideas that have been past down from history. Then trying to develop and evolve a new aged prospective, but really I don't think all prospectives feed off one another. At some point you'll have to denounce your oath to that prospective as you incorporate a new one,

case in point, Buddhism believes one thing, Christianity believes in another, agnosticism believes in one thing, atheism believes in another, there not congruent with one another

Christianity has a different twist on karma and reincarnation, also salvation doesn't rely on moral code, but simply believing in Jesus Christ,

Buddhism is an older religion, and Siddhartha had no contact or was influenced by the 'historical Jesus'

Also Jesus if you look at it clear, did not give an option towards being by partial. You either have to make the choice, was he nut case, or was he the son of man, some people try to change the doctrine and say he didn't say what he said, or what he proclaimed what he proclaimed, if that was true, I don't think the message would've caught on widespread, what do you think?

and obviously Jews to this day don't see Jesus as the son of god, they took the former as him being a nut case. I regress a little and say some do acknowledge him as the son of god, but most don't. They have a little different twist to their own doctrine, and sense they were the first ones to be monotheistic, over say us gentiles, they saw the prophecy in the old testament as referring to somebody else.

So Judaism isn't congruent with Christianity either, I don't know why Christian based America has this never ending support for modern Israel. Jews are descendants of Judah, the son of perdition, and so look at history at what the rewards of a traitor nation are, but anyways..

I don't see some of the connections that some people are trying to make, and the list of examples goes on

-Wicca towards Christianity
-Buddha towards Hinduism, Buddha roots are in Hindu mythology, are you to accept 330 million gods, but really Buddha denounces this

I think some do flow better such as

-Tao and the concept of self realization
-Mormons and Wicca, LOL
-Aborigine cultures and native American cultures view on spirits

but really I think you have to put some things in order, to make some sense, you really can't incorporate everything,

this is where science and philosophy can play apart, to rectify some of the disagreements between each philosophy or religion,

but its not really a pick and choose thing, IMO, even I have my skepticism on just pure self realization, this ultimately leads to man dictating what truth is, which if you really look at it, we could find justification for anything sense we denounce any absolute truths,

well this is just wood for the fire, I'm wondering everyone elses spin on this.......


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: capliberty]
    #5904545 - 07/27/06 07:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i think youre forgetting that the people who try to see buddhism and christianity as compatable are generally not the ones who follow an orthodox interpretation of christianity. i personally would have to struggle in order to find ways in which these two religions are not compatable.


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: Deviate]
    #5904611 - 07/27/06 08:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think you have to acknowledge Christianity and the Bible more than a book of metaphorical quotes,

I don't think the authors intended the Bible to be looked at this way

but maybe Buddhism and Christianity are more compatible,

although their are some clear distinct differences in views:

Christian acknowledge god and having a relationship with god and accepting Christ is the only way to be pardoned for your sins,

Buddha doesn't acknowledge any god, but acknowledges self awareness of suffering in which such a path leads to nirvana

Christians don't acknowledge reincarnation and rebirth, but look at our being as constant, in which we as individuals are judged when we die, and either go to heaven, hell or hades

Maybe some similarities is karma and reaping what you sow, as moral code can dictate ones quality of life, but Christians don't believe in before life karma, that you maybe reaping a judgment of before life occurrences,

Also wise action doesn't necessarily dictate salvation in the Christian view,


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: capliberty]
    #5904629 - 07/27/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Christianity was really designed to be a religion for the entire world, and I think because of that it suffers from lack of depth, and perhaps some of the views of Jesus were slanted or even altered.

For instance, no past life karma? How is this possible? This means that you are predestined to go to heaven or hell and have no choice. For if you are born in Lebanon as a muslim, well look what Israel is doing to..... oops you died, God says "tough break dude... you shouldn't have been born a Muslim in Lebanon...... down to hell with you!"

how did we get where we ARE?

But...... the concept of Jesus as an enlightened sacrifice, sort of a medium willing to give the holy spirit (aka chi, energy body, chakra activation, etc) to anyone who would seek it out in his "Name"...... the concept of Jesus as an elightened master, and therefore the SUN of man, a beacon, a direct medium, a boddhisattva..... a SUN of GOD and the "son" of God... yea.

but I think they spiced it up with a bit too much dogma and utter simplicity, to try and get the masses following something.

the gnostic Jesus fits well with Buddhism. The orthodox one doesn't. It's a pickle really because rebirth almost has to exist, otherwise for people living in America, Jesus is the only way to be saved, but for people living in Israel, Judaism is the only way to be saved.... and for people living in other places, Islam is the only way to be saved.

and this creates quite a tricky siutation, where one is not able to use their rational discretion to pick the RIGHT path (i.e. Christ being the right path?) because they are forced to simply stay in the faith they were born in.... because all faiths tend to insist upon their infallibility, at the exclusion of all other faiths.

this means that "God" has the religions set up where one is very unlikely to stray from Islam to Christianity... Christianity to Islam..... and vice versa..... leaving man at the whims of his social upbringing entirely, which seems to denote heavy predestination to me if there is only one path.

furthermore why cannot Jesus be a sacrifice for every single man, regardless of his faith....... if you loved the world enough to do that to your son, might you not just go the extra notch and use it as a universal pardon? In this way people may go through many religions, but still attain a cyclical sense of eternal life until they choose to submit to whatever the highest reality is.

When I look at the gruesome depictions of hell I can't take the Bible very seriously, these authors are sadists! millions of people have been killed because of the Christian God.... virtually none have been killed in the name of Satan. And that makes you wonder lol!

but Christ is Christ, as a teacher, as a gnostic..... as someone whose words were tainted by the impurities of men? Sure..... that is agreeable to me.

oh and the Bible says that you have to go within. It advocates activation of the third eye and utilization of the light body in Luke, and it's said something akin to damn the pharisees for blocking people's access to the Kingdom of Heaven, for they are not taught to go within.

so even people saying "gnosticism is heresy" well, look at that right there, isn't that kind of a gnostic approach to heaven?


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: capliberty]
    #5904652 - 07/27/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Have you ever read the Gospel of Thomas? Everything Jesus says in that gospel could just as easily come from the Buddha. The fact is that there has always been a mystical tradition within each major world religion, and that the mystics of each religion have a lot more in common than the followers of the exoteric forms of those religions.


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: Silversoul]
    #5904765 - 07/27/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In my understanding, on the global view it doesn't make any sense, yeah if you didn't know about Jesus then you go to straight to hell, I don't know if true Christians see it this way though,

Do you mean esoteric, I think some of the literal believers dismiss the Gospel of Thomas as being authentic, most literal believers look simply at the occurrence of Christ, and they don't acknowledge scholar views that Christ didn't say what the Gospels said he said, and I tend to agree with the believers on this one, I'm mean who would have more of a recollection of what Jesus said, the witnesses that were there, who wrote the Gospels or some college scholars who are 2000 years removed from any eye witness occurrences of Jesus, besides I don't think if their wasn't some cage rattling, that Christianity wouldn't have that much influence, I think the bible is pretty explicit when it comes to Jesus and their views on god,


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: capliberty]
    #5904794 - 07/27/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

to my understanding, Western and Eastern "religions" are not only incompatible, but polar opposites.


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: capliberty]
    #5905038 - 07/27/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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In my understanding, on the global view it doesn't make any sense, yeah if you didn't know about Jesus then you go to straight to hell, I don't know if true Christians see it this way though,

Do you mean esoteric, I think some of the literal believers dismiss the Gospel of Thomas as being authentic, most literal believers look simply at the occurrence of Christ, and they don't acknowledge scholar views that Christ didn't say what the Gospels said he said, and I tend to agree with the believers on this one, I'm mean who would have more of a recollection of what Jesus said, the witnesses that were there, who wrote the Gospels or some college scholars who are 2000 years removed from any eye witness occurrences of Jesus, besides I don't think if their wasn't some cage rattling, that Christianity wouldn't have that much influence, I think the bible is pretty explicit when it comes to Jesus and their views on god,



That's your problem: You only looking at exoteric Christianity, but esoteric Christianity is what I'm talking about. At the esoteric level, there is very little difference between each world religion.


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: Silversoul]
    #5905199 - 07/27/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well I'm still not seeing the connection that your trying to make, other than trying to take the Bible out of its context,

even in the Gospel of Thomas that your referred, Jesus refers to a parable, about the wise fisherman throwing his net out to sea, and when he brings it in, they deciphered from small fish, and the big fish, and easily choose the big fish, any those wise should listen, choose the big fish,

to me this referring to prioritizing your views, not to get hung up on the small fish, but discard them, but get to meat by choosing the big fish,

All I'm doing is taking the word or the faith for what its telling me, This is why Jesus was performing miracles and also being resurrected from the dead, he was building a faith by doing all this, why do you think people believe, and how the religion spread, in their own minds they logically deducted that Jesus was more than a prophet but the son of God, according historical prospective, there were 500 eye witnesses of his resurrection, I don't know how else you can interpret it, or what else its trying to say

and its obvious other people don't share this view, I don't know how you can make a connection to something like this and something like Buddhism or anything else, for that matter, the Bible was never intended to be token as some self-help guide, but proclaims a certain faith,



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When I look at the gruesome depictions of hell I can't take the Bible very seriously, these authors are sadists! millions of people have been killed because of the Christian God.... virtually none have been killed in the name of Satan. And that makes you wonder lol!





I got a good glimpse or idea of what hell was, from my own personal prospective, the truth may not always be a nice fuzzy beautiful thing, but can be gruesome and horrifying, I wouldn't necessarily call these authors sadist, but maybe realists, from my prospective, as far as them killing in the name of the Christian god, the ten commandments includes thou shall not kill, I don't think you can say they were following doctrine

and this is one example I'm making a comparison with, its not that I'm sticking up for this, I'm just failing to see its compatibility,

other examples are:

or Jews and Christians

or Jainism and Christians,

or Satanism and say Islam, maybe huh

but I just don't see some of these connections,


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: capliberty]
    #5905251 - 07/27/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"o me this is reason why I kind of entertain this faith, before I kinda didn't want to see 'hell' myself and I wasn't religious at all, I got a good glimpse or idea of what hell was, from my own personal prospective, the truth may not always be a nice fuzzy beautiful thing, but can be gruesome and horrifying, I wouldn't necessarily call these authors sadist, but maybe realists, from my prospective, as far as them killing in the name of the Christian god, the ten commandments includes thou shall not kill, I don't think you can say they were following doctrine"

are you a Christian capliberty? anyway, huge portions of the Bible completely and totally justify killing if you are doing it for God. Some of his chosen people have killed hundreds of thousands. It is said not to suffer a "wtich" to live. Jesus says he comes not to bring peace but a sword. [though, to me he is speaking in clear metaphor, i suppose it could be misconstrued, this is not the best example]

If you left all that junk out and just said like the Buddhists did, that killing is never acceptable... WHERE would you be able to justify murder? it's clear cut as day in Buddhism, do not kill.... do not join armies. if you do, do it out of compassion and never hate.

Sure Jesus says to turn the other cheek, but this is in direct contradiction to many other, older Biblical passages. And yes, Jesus says that he is overturning such teachings, to love your enemy..... but don't you see where Jesus says this in? in THE HOLY BIBLE.

its very very easy to see why, especially in the more illiterate ages, people could easily be led by the Bible, even believing in the teachings of Christ, to wage ungodly wars, inquisitions, tortures, persecutions.......

even now there are plenty of Christians in the army. It's not necessarily a bad faith if you interpret it the way that involves listening to Jesus, but to me it's a rather bad book.

hell? Hell may be very real, but how is something so cruel as unbeleif going to land you there forever? Hell is a mistranslation of a common burial place where the fires of crematoin were always (eternally) burning, and Jesus said if you don't want to end up there (which is now simply called hell, a metaphysical place, but he was referring to the grave) then you had better do such and such to attain eternal life.

But the thing is, he said many who followed him would not taste of death, and that Kingdom is HERE....... so it's not like you believe lazily in Jesus then go about engaging in the real world, it's more like how the gnostics have it, you really seek Jesus out until you are completely transformed in the holy spirit.

your eye is single and you are made of light like in Luke... you go inward.

so to me hell is just, well you wasted this life, now you're dead, now what? not some sort of crazy-assed authoritarian despotic condemnation.

i think the authors went a little control crazy if you ask me.

the pharisees are very heavily chastised for blocking people from finding Heaven by going inward.... this is what all the Christians churches up to this day do...... they teach a lot of really false things too IMO...... all the notions about sex being evil... Jesus hardly talked about it. He said, don't lust after a woman, because it's the same as sleeping with her, and that's great advice. It doesn't mean to have a huge taboo on sexuality.....

sexual repression is a good method of control. teaching people to follow a circular dogma that does NOT lead them to salvation, while calling meditators and gnostics "heretics" is a good way to control. blocking access to the spirit is a good way to control.

i do not see how simple belief in an abstract concept will unify you with it. I think follow Christ actually really requirse a lot, and that it will bear very tangible fruit along the way. And I think for most people Christ is more of a superstition to keep them in line, then a way to truely set their souls free.

but i think Christ can, whether metaphorically or if he is still a tangible spirit presence working on fixing the hearts of men. I think though the gnostic approach is all around a better one.

plus the religion has mainly spread through force and coercion. it's like, one way of living is capitalism, and another way is tribal living off the land. both have their merits, but to assume that because we killed off the Native Americans and spread our capitalist ways around the globe, tribal living is WRONG, is an incorrect assumption.

i would be interested in the 500 witnesses of resurection though, because as far as historical evidence denotes, I've heard there are not any particular verifiable accounts. so if you can find something about that it would be cool.

the other side though is that if you initiate people to encounter their deeply hidden fears of death, then promise them, no matter how terrible they are terrified during the hell-sermon, that they will escape these torments and live forever.... it's kind of a shadow integration, and Jesus is "stored" in your brain in the same place extreme guilt and terror is.... so that when you do die if you freak out, the concept of Jesus will be buried there and... this could be how it works, and why "hell" is preached the way it is.

the other side too is just that, you actually don't catch more flies with honey... if you say "everything is going to be alright, Jesus loves you" how many people are going to be zealots for your cuase? But if you go in and break them down and warp their minds with hell doctrine, boy howdy they will follow you, oterhwise they could go to hell if they don't!

so it depends. I see how it works, as a pacifier for death by staring down your shadow, then being completely assured that you are now "saved"

but to me, I felt the least saved ever after going through those hell sermons. I had tons of faith until they got to me... then I felt like no matter what I did I wasn't really saved, even though I really did believe in Jesus... when before it was not a concern of mine at all.
well it's a catch 22, like how they say "make up sex" is best because extreme emotions jump to other extreme emotoins quickly. it was the only time i felt unconditional love from Jesus after praying for my salvation and being told I was now free.....

but it dissipated and let me with doubt, because they kept tearing back into those holes... guilty, guilty, we're all guiltly..... hell is mostly full of liars, not murderers... so many normal people. 40 years is just a fraction of a second of eternity... never ending pain. no one is safe. guilt guilt guilt terror........like somehow even after believing in him I still wasn't worthy.... it made me very doubtful.


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: leery11]
    #5905297 - 07/27/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah your right,........the more I speak about it, I can see the hypocrisy in it

What I think what people have to realize is, this simple question, Is Jesus a nut case who was an impostor, or is there any truth to his miracles, resurrection, and him being what he said to proclaim as the Messiah, there is no middle ground, its one or the other, he gave no option in being a prophet, He himself said I am not a teacher,.... all the other heresy you can by pass as far as I'm concerned,


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: capliberty]
    #5905486 - 07/27/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You seem to have a couple misconceptions about Christianity:

1. You seem to think that the Bible must either be taken literally or otherwise discarded. This goes against the rich tradition of interpretation in Judaism known as "midrash." Several early Christian sects, many now referred to as "gnostics," had similar if not more elaborate interpretations of both Old and New Testament passages. Even the orthodox church that eventually won out over the gnostics did not simply derive their faith from literal readings of the Bible. Christian fundamentalism as we know it today is a relatively recent phenomenon.

2. You seem to think that anything that was not kept in the Bible is not Christian. But Christianity did not simply rise in its current form. Christianity as we know it today was not the Christianity of the first couple centuries AD. Many early Christians, including the respected church father Origen, believed in reincarnation. There was also widespread disagreement over the nature of Christ. What is now taken for granted to be Christian doctrine was only arrived at as a result of several councils and fierce debates that occured centuries after Jesus.


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: capliberty]
    #5905533 - 07/27/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah your right,........the more I speak about it, I can see the hypocrisy in it

What I think what people have to realize is, this simple question, Is Jesus a nut case who was an impostor, or is there any truth to his miracles, resurrection, and him being what he said to proclaim as the Messiah, there is no middle ground, its one or the other, he gave no option in being a prophet, He himself said I am not a teacher,.... all the other heresy you can by pass as far as I'm concerned,



well.... what about the other option.

Jesus "was" but he was misrepresented by those who compiled the Bible? It's amazing how much more tolerant and open the Gospel of Thomas is.
It also seems really practical. Some of the NT things I've read I'm kind of like "what is the real point in this" and then Jesus will speak a good parable and I'll think about it... but then it's like "Jesus went here, in this place... then he went to that place, and talked to that person" and while maybe that might be good for a story, I'm interested in what was going on in Jesus's head, that he might share his wisdom......

I mean also what if I were enlightened, and I went on the shroomery and tried to save a few people who seemed to like my ramblings... I might say to them "I am THE way out, you have to follow ME!" that does not mean that if in 500 years someone else gets enlightened, that they also won't be the way out.

If Jesus preached to a huge group of people and said "I am the way, but there are other ways too. If you follow me you will be free. But also, you can go find some other way." how would that work?

He was the spiritual "messiah" at that time, the Christ-ed God-man at that time, and he spoke with authority so that he would be adhered to....

what if the whole religion around his ressurrection wasn't necessary... what if he only came to save his disciples and a few other people, and that was it? What if we are supposed to seek out the current spiritual figures in our day?

It really just boils down to faith in the Bible. Is it trustable?
And well..... it's so hard to say, isn't it?
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That's why I keep saying, you need fruit. You need Christ to come and transform you, to know for sure. And I'm trying to see if he will.
if we look at contradictions like that, we can still say, it's about Jesus, not the OT... or "it's a story, you read it and understand about God but you don't take it literally" but if so, do you take Christ literally then ? It's hard to say really.

I want to find out for sure. It would be a sweet deal if Christ were real and his rewards so simple. there has to be some truth to it I would think.

I feel kind of blasphemous lol. This is me looking for truth though, hopefully no one is led astray from my musings. Maybe Christ simply is, and the details aren't important.


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: Silversoul]
    #5905582 - 07/27/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Of course Judaism isn't going to acknowledge Jesus as the coming Christ, I've already pointed that out, there interpretation of the Old testament doesn't support Jesus as Christ, in fact, at the time Christ was teaching the word, they embraced him until he start saying that he was going to be crucified and resurrect from the dead, they didn't like this notion of their Messiah being crucified so they rejected him as Christ, before that he was gaining wide acceptance among the Jews, as he said though, the first will be last and last will be first, LOL


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: capliberty]
    #5905645 - 07/27/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Are you actually reading my posts? I've said nothing about the Jews' acceptance of Christ. I was simply referring to the tradition of interpreting the Bible allegorically, which carried on into Christianity.


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: Silversoul]
    #5905908 - 07/27/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yup. What Silversoul said.


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    #5905987 - 07/27/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yup. What Silversoul said.




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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5905991 - 07/27/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yup. What Silversoul said.



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capliberty, perhaps you should invest in a better pair of spectacles and re-read Silversoul's posts instead of shouting blindly from your pedestal


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: capliberty]
    #5906008 - 07/27/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Of course Judaism isn't going to acknowledge Jesus as the coming Christ, I've already pointed that out, there interpretation of the Old testament doesn't support Jesus as Christ, in fact, at the time Christ was teaching the word, they embraced him until he start saying that he was going to be crucified and resurrect from the dead, they didn't like this notion of their Messiah being crucified so they rejected him as Christ, before that he was gaining wide acceptance among the Jews, as he said though, the first will be last and last will be first, LOL




You are basing your position on the four gospels that are in the NT. Those were late writings with separate agendas connected to each of the writers known as Matthew, Mark, Luke and later still, John. The earliest legitimate Christian writings are some of the letters of Paul. Some of those included in the NT are universally held to be penned from different authors using Paul's name. Otherwise Paul appears as having multiple personalities because doctrines attributed to him are completely opposite one another: the equal regard for women vs. pure misogyny towards women, for example.

Paul never talks about the historical Jesus and this is not only because Paul never met Him. It is the Resurrected Christ, which Paul claims he has (like the Gnostic Christians) that is important. Paul's experience of the Resurrected Christ occurs during mystical ecstatic experiences such as the one on the road to Damascus and his experience of being 'absent to the body' ("caught up to the third heaven").

The whole drama about Jews not accepting Christ makes good sense when you see just how Greek pagan the idea of God fathering a demigod with a mortal woman is. This is the usual Greek mythology and is not Hebrew. God does NOT take form in Semitic faith (Jew or Muslim). There is no reason why the mythos laid out in the gospels would or should be acceptable to Hebrews - they had their own myths and were not about to quit being Jews to join some strange new Mystery Cult surrounding another demigod like Attis, Dionysus, Mithras, etc.
There is nothing other than two centuries of antiJewish propaganda that says that the Jews didn't have access to the spirituality that Jesus taught. Jews have been so villified and so stereotyped that anyone who holds hate for Jews in general has no part of Jesus Christ no matter what they think.


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Re: Blending religions & philosophies [Re: capliberty]
    #5906019 - 07/27/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

When one devises a personal philosophy one is free to be influenced by the great thinkers of the past. To reject the worlds religious traditions as an all or nothing affair is rather blind. Every religion has good ideas that can be adopted on an individual basis. It must also be said that having a persoanal and individual philosophy is the only rational course. Where religion falls down is when it beomes organized and becomes part of the vast array of cultural programming that is hammered relentlessly into our subconcious. Taking influence where it seems relevant, however, is a very rational way of thinking and the root personal spiritual and psychological evolution.


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