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davesj1
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Isit worth it to case?
#5902795 - 07/26/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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OK I'm gonna be using a plain old tub. I plan on opening it up and manually fanning and misting it for air exchange and humidity. Probably around 2-3 times/day. Is a casing worth it in this case. Ive read that with traditional mono tubs (w/polyfill) a casing layer isn't worth it. Thanks again guys.
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liamtheloser
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Re: Isit worth it to case? [Re: davesj1]
#5902799 - 07/26/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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casing layers make it much easier to maintain humidity and moisture in a monotub... since there's no source of humidity or moisture (besides misting/fanning).
your choice though, i've seen both
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It's not a lot of extra work, and IMO if your planning for such a big grow you might as well add the casing layer- it will be more resistant to contams, and possibly increase your yield dramatically...
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Re: Isit worth it to case? [Re: MustardMan]
#5902904 - 07/26/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Case it... Just throw on your verm... jiffy mix.. whateve... keep it in the dark at 80 for three days... then do what you would normally do
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davesj1
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would manual misting and fanning not maintain adequate humidity? If adequate humidity w/o casing can be maintained is there any other reason for a casing?
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liamtheloser
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Re: Isit worth it to case? [Re: davesj1]
#5903545 - 07/26/06 10:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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that's the thing, casings only need 80-90% humidity, whereas cakes and uncased trays need 100% humidity... kind of funny how that sort of works out. casings provide themselves with a small amount of humidity, and in the case of a monotub, give themselves all of the humidity. wheras a huge uncased tray or a cake needs 100% humidity, but doesn't give itself a whole lot of that.
i'd case.
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davesj1
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Yah, I think im goign to. The reason i was weary about it was time constraints. However i read in one of RR's posts that u can case once the sub is just about finished and it will finish as its colonizing the casing layer. So casing deosnt realy add any time.
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Re: Isit worth it to case? [Re: davesj1]
#5903576 - 07/26/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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werd i case when my trays are about 95% or so... Im actually cooling some casing mix right now that is going on two trays here in about 20 minutes..
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Re: Isit worth it to case? [Re: Yamidude]
#5904502 - 07/27/06 06:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay, hold on right there. If you're doing a mono tub, there is no opening the top and misting or fanning. You have to have some holes in it stuffed with poly-fil for air-exchange, and then the moisture from the casing keeps the humidity up.
If you're just going to do a tray in a FC then no a casing isn't necessary with cubensis.
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Re: Isit worth it to case? [Re: Sinthetic]
#5905139 - 07/27/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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its not a mono tub. Its just a plastic tub with no modification. I will be opening it up to mist and fan 2-3 times a day.
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Re: Isit worth it to case? [Re: davesj1]
#5905143 - 07/27/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushrooms need to breathe.
if you were in a tub, and it had no holes, and it only got opened two or three times a day, would you be very happy?
those little fellas need oxygen. that is what the holes and poly-fil are for.
you should look into that.
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Re: Isit worth it to case? [Re: davesj1]
#5905147 - 07/27/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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OK, I mis-read your original post. I thought you said it was a monotub. In that case, no cubensis do not REQUIRE a casing. If yo don't want to case, lay a piece of wax paper over it. change it every couple days and it will help include pinning without a casing.
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davesj1
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Quote:
monstermitch said: mushrooms need to breathe.
if you were in a tub, and it had no holes, and it only got opened two or three times a day, would you be very happy?
those little fellas need oxygen. that is what the holes and poly-fil are for.
you should look into that.
Ive done several sucessful grows this way. I doubt they can use up all the oxygen in a few hours.
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Re: Isit worth it to case? [Re: davesj1]
#5906892 - 07/27/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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didn't say they would die,
just not be as happy.
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happy shrooms!
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monstermitch said: didn't say they would die,
just not be as happy.
Exactly, and the happier the mushrooms are with their environment, the better the yields, yadda, yadda.
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Re: Isit worth it to case? [Re: davesj1]
#5908129 - 07/28/06 06:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you don't use polyfil, I would recommend fanning once every couple of hours instead of just 2-3 times a day. Like these other guys have already said, you'll still get mushrooms with minimal fanning, but you'll get much better results when air exchange and moisture and humidity are at optimal levels. I believe air exchanges for P cubensis are recommended once per hour in TMC.
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Re: Isit worth it to case? [Re: FooMan]
#5909240 - 07/28/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I disagree. There is no way they can be using that much oxygen. It's not even a realistic possibility.
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Re: Isit worth it to case? [Re: fastfred]
#5909622 - 07/28/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i had about 12 1/2 pint cakes in each of my 3 tubs tub fanned 2-4times aday. it worked great 1/4lb from 2-3 flushies then green mold hit me hard. I then built a green house and thinking about going back to tubs. can't get my green house to work better than the tubs i had going.
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