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OldWoodSpecter
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everyday miracles
#5902358 - 07/26/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know sometimes I see these things, I just can't believe it..
I don't know if these are the customs in US, but over here when a driver spots a policeman or a radar by the road he will blink other drivers down the road as a warning so that they slow down
Now, when this happens, I just think: OK, why the hell does he do that?? He gains nothing. HE doesn't know the guy so he couldn't possibly get the favour back. He is alone in the car, so he can't impress anyone, like his boss or a women. He doesn't get any money for it. NOTHING. I just can't come up with a selfish reason why anyone would do such a thing.
Then I see how some people call the medics when someone is injured, and they do it so passionatly, even though they don't know the person.
So again I try to think of selfish reasons. He doesn't know the guy, so he is not attached to him. Again there may be nobody near, so he is not impressing anyone. He doesn't get any money for it. In fact, he wastes his time, on trying to save his life. And again, NOTHING, I just can't think of why they do it.
Then I realise that some people are able to do things that benefit strangers, that some people actually have some kind of care for the fellow man, that not everything is rape and murder and wars and corruption and the end of the world.
It's a fucking miracle. That little unselfish carlight blink. It's a miracle. Why do they do it? Do people really have some good in them left?
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There doing based on their ideals, of compassion which usually defined by their beliefs
such as Christianty, is that you do unto your neighbor as you wish others do unto you, or something that degree, they want salvation,.......so they lend a helping hand to others in giving them salvation,
most all religions and philosphical conclusions usually accept the notion of compassion,........not too much of a mystery in my POV,
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Re: everyday miracles [Re: capliberty]
#5902444 - 07/26/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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the light flashing is a good idea.
we need to start that out here.
compassion is done because it lifts the spirits of your surroundings. it improves your mood immediately upon doing it, and it is likely that the merits of your actions will come back to you, because of the ripple effect it has upon your local surroundings.
compound this with the fact that we are cyclical, pattern following, conditoined beings who tend to follow the same rituals and paths each day, and if we spread kindness along our default path, we are cheering that path up, as if we were dropping some green paint on a sidewalk everyday, a little bit more.
the strangers we encounter are reflections of us following our conditioned patterns, so we are basically blazing a friendly trail for us to follow in space-time.
furthermore it is the simple notion of the golden rule. if you want to live in a world that is a happy world, you have to make it a happy one, one person at a time. doesn't matter if the rewards are reaped immediately or not. it's a trailblazing process.
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Edited by leery11 (07/26/06 05:16 PM)
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Re: everyday miracles [Re: leery11]
#5902462 - 07/26/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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But still the fact that doing something like that makes some people feel good kind of speaks that not all humans are monsters
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well yeah, absolutely. none of us want to be one, because it isn't satisfying in the long run, or the short run.
we just end up feeling like there are no other options.
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OldWoodSpecter said: It's a fucking miracle. That little unselfish carlight blink. It's a miracle. Why do they do it? Do people really have some good in them left?
O yeah they do, all of them but I think they just forgot that they can do good. And those who didn't forget need to make the others aware of what they can. That would be one of the biggest miracles. Finding a way to make people know what they can do, that they're unbreakable and making them see that life has millions of beautiful and good things, that are accessible to anyone if they just want. Many people chose misery cause they forgot or they think that there is no other option for them, all they need is to become aware.
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I agree. Some people try to explain it as that the drive of the act is the fact the person feels good after doing it.
Once Abraham Lincoln saw a pig stuck in the mud. He told his driver to stop the carriage at once and proceeded to go down into the mud and rescue the pig. The driver said "Abe, that sure was nice of you! You got your neat shirt all dirty just to rescue the pig!"
Abe says, "It wasn't nice of me, if I didn't do it I would have felt terrible all day. Therefore, it wasn't really a selfless act but actually a selfish act."
I see this pathos a lot in contemporary society. The thing is, if Abe wasn't a good person to begin with he wouldn't have felt bad all day for not rescuing the pig. I guess my point is even if one gets satisfaction out of being compassionate, the satisfaction is completely dependent on them being a loving being.
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Oldwoodspector - I can merely sense that you may be feeling quite upset at present day world affairs. Seeing that your assuming these minor example of blessing acts to be Miracles, makes me wonder what you may be comparing them too. For in my opinion, Miracles are what they define, major life changing events or moments that are somtimes supernatural and with devine characteristic's. I couldn't imagine a world where everyone was completly self centered and without some form of compassion, or "Honour" for his fellow man. I dont want to be crude towards you, but perhaps you are surrounding yourself with too much hipocricy and strife, not enough ice cream and teddy bears.
"Again there may be nobody near, so he is not impressing anyone. He doesn't get any money for it. In fact, he wastes his time, on trying to save his life." - This really disturbs me on some level, because I've always believed that good is greater then evil and by implying that any form of action should be taken on any of those selfish basis leaves me wondering still again about your life and perhaps what has caused this train of thought. If you dont want to be a helping, contributing person in this world, why should the world accept you or welcome you in any way? People who step out of their sheltered exsistence are the hero's and saviors of life. They give back more then they have taken and greater are those people because they will live with a certainty and respect that others have no idea about.
I really dont see this as a matter of selfishness or greed. Its just commen human decency. Respect for your brothers and sisters. Its like a ripple effect, one good deed can turn into a giant wave that crashes down even the greatest of oppressions.
MushroomTrip - Again with the wisdom. Very nice. I also think that people unconsiously choose misery because they've never been allowed to see the results from what love can accomplish.
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HE doesn't know the guy so he couldn't possibly get the favour back. He is alone in the car, so he can't impress anyone, like his boss or a women.
I think he actually is impressing someone, people he imagines in his head. It is some kind of feedback system. What he gets back from you is your imagined reaction and the reaction of some third party woman who is impressed.
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Re: everyday miracles [Re: Nomad]
#5904461 - 07/27/06 06:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i wouldnt exactly call any of those miracles. I'd even have to agree with Nomad on this one. Plus the entire concept of karma is at play, even if it's an unconcious process.. so flashing lights to warn others about a cop, in theory ensures someone will flash lights at you next time.
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Re: everyday miracles [Re: Nomad]
#5904470 - 07/27/06 06:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It seems that so many people today are completely duped into this notion of "original sin", the idea that humans are inherently evil and born into sin.
This is a christian lie. People are inherently GOOD, evil is learned. The basic instinct to help others is just that, a built in instinct.....an expression of our Love for one another.
To help someone with no expectations of reward is the most beautiful thing that we can do, and the rewards are eternal.
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Re: everyday miracles [Re: phungi]
#5904527 - 07/27/06 07:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe the harsh reality that he's referring to is not necessarily that we're born evil,
But our basic animal instincts are for survival, fend for yourself, any wasted energy or any extension towards helping, instead of devouring others is a wasted action,
As compare our basic nature to say any of the other carnivorous species out there, lions are savage, and maybe he's trying to draw a link towards that, because sometime we have that animal instinct to be predatoral and ruthless,
cause the streets are hard knox, dog eat dog, there is a real septation there, from basic survival instincts to having that leverage to be compassionate,
Edited by capliberty (07/27/06 07:15 AM)
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Re: everyday miracles [Re: phungi]
#5904646 - 07/27/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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phungi said: It seems that so many people today are completely duped into this notion of "original sin", the idea that humans are inherently evil and born into sin.
This is a christian lie. People are inherently GOOD, evil is learned. The basic instinct to help others is just that, a built in instinct.....an expression of our Love for one another.
To help someone with no expectations of reward is the most beautiful thing that we can do, and the rewards are eternal.
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what you say is right, but also you are saying we are taught to be evil.... does this not denote an inherent flaw in man?
for instance, a baby is prone to fits of rage and supreme anger..... it just can't kill you lol! Now..... humans naturally will gravitate toward the highest vibrations if they can, but really they are just energy storage tanks.
so if a human is born into a family where the tv is always playing jerry springer, the dad is always drunk and the mom is always bickering at everyone... this human won't really pick up on altruism too much....
and you know, what if he's born in *insert country here* and someone places an AK-47 in his hand, what choice does he have?
so it's not so much that humans are evil or have "original sin" it's more like the planet Earth has been tarnished and it's anyone's best guess as to how you will turn out.
fundamentally children are in a state of perpetual meditation until their focus is leeched by the outside world. i kind of remember it myself and it's so wonderful. every movement is a new joyous experience, a chance to be alive and to learn. i think this is what yoga seeks to recapture.
fundamentally I would go as far as to say that the human spirit is a rather noble one by default, but the planet Earth has been unable to shed its dense survival/hostile energies and therefore tarnishes a huge many in the process.
but, we have the capacity to exist as Gods and animals, and everything in between..... it makes the human being interesting to say the least.
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Re: everyday miracles [Re: leery11]
#5904674 - 07/27/06 09:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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did I miss something? When did this turn into a topic on original sin?
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Re: everyday miracles [Re: kotik]
#5904767 - 07/27/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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kotik said: did I miss something? When did this turn into a topic on original sin?
Read the thread with attention and see that it relates perfecly to the subject. The origilal sin has a bog impact on how people think feel and act and what ideas they get about good or bad, which leads to caring more or less to helping others.
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no, original sin has big impact on how Christians think. not people.
but I guess, in fairness the poster DOES have the shroud of turin as an avatar, as well as mentioning miracle, which is somewhat of a Christian term in the proper context. so touche, although I still don't think the connection is very strong.
in fact, the concept of being nice to others because of original sin is somewhat pathetic, and depressing, also typical of Christian religion.
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Re: everyday miracles [Re: kotik]
#5904829 - 07/27/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah it is pathetic and typical for Christian religion, as many other things Christianity does and sustain to be true just to manipulate people just to hold them down from finding God on their own, it's a control thing and besides what Christianity does there are other tones of organizations based on religion, politics, and whatever comes to mind just to destroy the free spitit of people as well as their capacity in beig helpful and good to their fellows. Most people act in fear, are lead by the fear and where fear leads it's not a good place to be.
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