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Re: Soma [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5915594 - 07/30/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Acutally, and to my knowledge, there are still Datura using cultures in California and India (off the top of my head, and I'm sure there are others).




interesting...
kinda fucks up my little theory of european wichcraft having all the horror show props with the skull etc associated to it due to the effects of tropane entoxication...

ahh well...





No it doesn't. If I'm not mistaken, which I don't feel like double checking at the moment, but Datura, Belladona, Mandrake, Henbane were all used in Europe. Seems if I remember correctly they all of tropane? Anyway, a great book to read on this subject is Witchcraft Medicine by Ratsch.


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Re: Soma [Re: GnosticMedia]
    #5917686 - 07/31/06 03:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yeah thats why i was thinking that.
but if its also used in india and other places devoid of such macabre symbols there must be something more to it i think...


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Re: Soma [Re: GnosticMedia]
    #5918077 - 07/31/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Remember the incident in Jamestown when the colonists made the Datura stew (Jimson Weed/Mad Apple)and well you know... Datura isn't native to Europe. The others are. As far as I know in India Datura is used medicinally, but not as a sacrament. I wouldn't be supprised if some minor cult useses it as a sacrament though. Also I know that it has some sort of sacred connection in at least one form of Buddhism. People still use tropanes religiously. I'm not disagreeing with that. However if Datura were really Soma, to me, that would only be slightly less disappointing than ephedra.


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