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inski
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Microscope photography.
#5901015 - 07/26/06 03:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edited by inski (09/14/11 11:19 PM)
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: inski]
#5901194 - 07/26/06 06:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cool pictures.. do you have access to a "key to species of the Psilocybe genus"? I don't really have any that are complete enough. It's important to have a list of both microscopic and macroscopic features when using a key to species in many genera, so congrats on compiling such extensive info.
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: inski]
#5901388 - 07/26/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very interesting pictures!
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Inski: What is the species in your avatar? cyanescens?
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inski
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: psiclops]
#5902777 - 07/26/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi psiclops  That is another one of the unidentified species I refered to in the first post, definately not Ps cyanescens. When I figure out the first one I'll start work on the one in my avatar! inski.
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: eris]
#5902861 - 07/26/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi eris  I don't have a "Key to species of the Psilocybe genus", I would be most gratefull if someone could help me out here? I posted in the advanced mycology forum asking for help with this but no one seemed interested! I have a good photographic record, dried specimens, prints and cultures. I can also write a more in depth description if anyone is interested? The reason I suspect these to be of the section mexicanae came from studying other species in the section, cystidia and spore shape and size are very similar. Check out Mj's post about microscopes, look at the line drawings of cystidia and spores in his Psilocybe antioquensis document, very similar! Anyway, just getting started on photographing micro details of the species in my avatar, will post pics when they're ready. inski.
Edited by inski (07/26/06 08:22 PM)
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: inski]
#5903026 - 07/26/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is a key to Psilocybe in both Singer and Smith's 1958 article in Mycologia vol. 50 and in Paul Stamets, "Psilocybe Mushrooms and their Allies."
However, Paul is rather irritable iof anyone posts anything of his copyrighted materials wiothout his express permission.
So I could not post the pages of the key.
However I shyould also mention that now several Hyphomlomas and Stropharias are placed into Psilocybe because of overlapping attributes.
And all of just have to wait for Guzman to finish his update the Genus Psilocybe.
have a shroomy day,
mj
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: mjshroomer]
#5903049 - 07/26/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thankyou Mj Good info. How far away is Guzmans paper? inski.
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: inski]
#5905168 - 07/27/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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On that I have no idea. The original 1983 book was $100.00 brand new. This one will probably cost even more. IT will go mainly to University libraries and colleges around the world. Not sure of a pritn run either.
I do know that thaaere are now many more species than WE wrote in 2002 in our distribution paper. This one will have all the taxonomy and much of many other bits of info, hopefully better than the last.
I too look forward to see what is written.
mj
Will keep the site informed of his progress when he lets me know how it is going.
But I will ask him soon
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: mjshroomer]
#5905268 - 07/27/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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it would be cool if it was somehow available to the public.. for those die-hard amateur mycologists out there, or anyone who could afford it.
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: eris]
#5905943 - 07/27/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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WEll The genus psilocybe by guzman was online b through him and the journal which published it until he began his work on the revision. SO that took it offline.
AS for paul. he does have some Psilocybe data on the internet, several PNW varieties but he does not provide the key.
Recently, Nooderloos revised much of the genus placing Stropharias, Naematolomas, Deconicas, Hyupholomas into Psilocybe., Basing his works on Paul's and Guzman's and that of O'lah's and Gerhardt's work on those genera; And the workl of others.
With DNA sequencing for the scholardly-Dastardly-scientists, fine, but the layman still needs the terms and keys of the genus and their species.
mj
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: mjshroomer]
#5910978 - 07/29/06 02:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inksi - is that a three-necked cystidia? That is weird. If i remember correctly azurescens or cyanescens often have that type of cystidia with the large 'bulb' or 'beak' at the tip. Ill do some reading tomorrow and see if i can come up with anything - its macroscopic appearance is so different to most of the psilocybes ive seen so its quite unique. Psilocybe inskii?
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: inski]
#5910979 - 07/29/06 02:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If Pluteus was still around he could do the dna sequencing but he disappeared some time ago.
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#5913072 - 07/29/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi  Yeah, three necked cystidia! I viewed some with even more irregular branching but couldn't get good enough pics. All the cystidia pictures are from the same gill edge taken from the specimen in the pic after it had fully matured! The different types were found at different locations along the length of the gill. Mj I was wondering if you could tell us what type of overlapping attributes the Hypholoma and Stropharia sp have? do you mean bluing reaction? I agree bluemeanie, I think it is quite unique! Hmm DNA sequencing... inski.
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: inski]
#5913456 - 07/29/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can anyone see the enlarged version of the first pic in my post when clicked on? seems to have been altered? wtf? inski.
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: inski]
#5913929 - 07/30/06 03:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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There arent even many Psilocybes with branched cystidia - i could only find about 10 or so - including aucklandii, semilanceata, tasmaniana (synonymous with subaeruginosa) and a couple of mexican species.
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: inski]
#5914132 - 07/30/06 05:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
inski said: Hi psiclops  That is another one of the unidentified species I refered to in the first post, definately not Ps cyanescens. When I figure out the first one I'll start work on the one in my avatar! inski.
Remember that photo from the link I sent you? It was Ps. caerulipes. Isn't the mushroom in your avatar the same that was agreed looks similar to the mushroom pictured below? Have you compared cystidia or have any new thoughts on the species of the un-IDed mushroon in your avatar?
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Photo from thread:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5780646/an/0/page/0
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#5914328 - 07/30/06 07:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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This should narrow it down, I'll do some reading tomorrow! The cystidia are very similar in size and shape to Ps antioquensis. Curecat, I compared the spores and cystidia of the species in my avatar with Ps caerulipes, there seem to be some minor differences in size. Mj said it wasn't Ps caerulipes. I'm not sure yet! inski.
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: inski]
#5914535 - 07/30/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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What a hot lookin shroom. I asked about it being cyans, only because I have come across a few with extreme up-curl, much like the specimen in question.
I love to find them like that.
Good luck with your sp. ID.
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Re: Microscope photography. [Re: inski]
#5914544 - 07/30/06 09:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very nice,  all the pics expand for me.
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