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True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power
#5899672 - 07/25/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power
By Dick Morris and Eileen McGann Ten years ago, on April 18, 1996, Israel attacked Hezbollah in Lebanon for 16 days in an operation called Grapes of Wrath. The global condemnation of Israel was fierce, especially when it bombed a U.N. refugee camp, killing 107 people, an attack that Tel Aviv said was a mistake.
At the time, the United States did nothing to stop the tide from turning against Israel and President Clinton said, “I think it is important that we do everything we can to bring an end to the violence.”
In private, Clinton seethed at the Israeli attack, saying he had discussed with Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres the possibility of concluding a military defense treaty with his nation, pledging U.S. aid in the event of an attack.
“They really want this guarantee from us,” Clinton told me. “I would have given them the commitment, too, but now I can’t because of the uproar over the refugee camp bombing.”
No such treaty was ever signed.
Clinton’s willingness to use American power to force a cease-fire on Israel before it had fully eradicated Hezbollah stands in stark and sharp contrast to George Bush’s insistence on letting Israel proceed with its attacks until the terrorist group is neutralized.
In a nutshell, this illustrates the difference between the Democratic and Republican approaches to Israeli security.
Bush and his administration clearly see the Israeli attack as an opportunity to clean out terrorist cells that have come to be pivotal in Lebanon. With Hezbollah’s power extending into the cabinet in Beirut, it is clear that Israeli military action is necessary to forestall the creation of a terrorist state on its northern border.
While Clinton said he embraced the need for Israeli security, when the going got rough, he bowed to world opinion and called for a cease-fire. When the United States asks Israel to stop fighting, it is like a boxer’s manager throwing in the towel. The bottom line is that true friends of Israel cannot afford to let the Democrats take power in Washington.
But American Jews have voted Democrat in the past and will continue to do so in the future. It is really the Christian evangelical right that stands up for Israel.
The reason Israel has to fight in Lebanon today is that the United States did not permit it to finish the job of destroying Hezbollah in the ’90s. Now, fortunately for Israel’s true friends, the White House is letting Tel Aviv win without reining her in.
Nothing so illustrates the generic anti-Semitism of the global community than its current obsession with proportionality in judging Israel’s response to the kidnapping of its soldiers and the rocket bombing of its cities. The Vatican, the European Union and Russia have said nothing about the almost daily bombardment of Israel’s northern border by Hezbollah or the constant attacks from Gaza after Israel magnanimously vacated the strip. But now that the Jewish state is defending itself, the global community is outraged at the “disproportionate” Israeli response. Only Jewish lives have to be dealt with proportionately.
Israel’s defensive barrier has succeeded in sharply curtailing the once daily suicide/homicide bombing of civilian Israeli targets. Now the Israeli invasion will push back the frontiers from which the terrorists can work their mayhem through missiles.
Bush and the Republican administration realize that Israel is only acting in self-defense. It is obvious that she would not be attacking Lebanon if the terrorists had not made a habit of using it as a base for attacks on Jewish cities.
The global condemnation of Israel is simply illustrative of the low esteem attached to Jewish blood in this world where anti-Semitism comes disguised as morality and a commitment to peace. http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Comment/DickMorris/072606.html
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: lonestar2004]
#5899709 - 07/25/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dick Morris as in Bill Clinton's shamed 1996 campaign manager?
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: Basilides]
#5899734 - 07/25/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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turned neocon toady...
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: lonestar2004]
#5900704 - 07/26/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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True friends of peace shouldn't let rogue nations run wild.
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: lonestar2004]
#5901066 - 07/26/06 04:36 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would hate to judge the entire democratic party based upon Clinton's lack of backbone.
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: Seuss]
#5901442 - 07/26/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yup, I just hope some of Dick's Friends (Jewish Democrats) read this part.
"Anti-Semitism comes disguised as morality and a commitment to peace.
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: lonestar2004]
#5901462 - 07/26/06 09:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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lonestar,
I don't remember you mentioning Israel, or any of the liberal/nazi stuff until this year. Did you read a book or something? What's convinced you that Israel is such an important ally?
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: Gijith]
#5901563 - 07/26/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Gijith said: lonestar,
I don't remember you mentioning Israel, or any of the liberal/nazi stuff until this year. Did you read a book or something? What's convinced you that Israel is such an important ally?
My grandfather was Russian. His entire family was killed along with most of the adults in his village. Why? Because it was a Jewish Village.
So maybe its a little personal.
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: lonestar2004]
#5901579 - 07/26/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
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Gijith said: lonestar,
I don't remember you mentioning Israel, or any of the liberal/nazi stuff until this year. Did you read a book or something? What's convinced you that Israel is such an important ally?
My grandfather was Russian. His entire family was killed along with most of the adults in his village. Why? Because it was a Jewish Village.
So maybe its a little personal.
I don't understand. When did this happen, and under which leader? Millions and millions of Russians were killed under communism, most were Christians. I am confused.
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5901612 - 07/26/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said:
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lonestar2004 said:
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Gijith said: lonestar,
I don't remember you mentioning Israel, or any of the liberal/nazi stuff until this year. Did you read a book or something? What's convinced you that Israel is such an important ally?
My grandfather was Russian. His entire family was killed along with most of the adults in his village. Why? Because it was a Jewish Village.
So maybe its a little personal.
I don't understand. When did this happen, and under which leader? Millions and millions of Russians were killed under communism, most were Christians. I am confused.
He said Jewish.....
My grandma also told me shit about the Nazis comming to her village and just digging mass graves and executing people around them and then when they were out of ammo they would just push them into the graves and burry them alive. Then the local villagers would run with shuvles when the German troops left and started digging to get the live ones out. So yea... a lot of Jews were killed that way. That is what happened in Kosovo. They basically just gathered people around these mass graves and yea....
Oh and did I mention my grandpa died in Berlin? He better have raped some german bitches for revenge before he died though, shiet. LOL
My other grandpa who was also Jewish was actually almost killed by Stalin's goons. He was basically not following the rules or some shit so he escaped to USA. So like 4 years ago I find out that I have cousins in the USA too because he escaped during Stalin's rein.
Stalin basically killed anyone that he thought was a threat to him. Jews, Christians, Muslims, anyone. It wasn't about one person being inferior or what not, it was all about loyalty to the USSR. Fucking commie fucks.
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5901616 - 07/26/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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On the other hand ...
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Hezbollah was born under occupation
Hezbollah (or the Party of God) emerged after 1982 as a guerrilla resistance army with Islamic leadership, fighting against the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon. Originally it appealed primarily to disenfranchised Shiite youth in Lebanon—the most oppressed group. In a war-torn and divided country where corruption was rampant, Hezbollah broadened its support and gained wide political legitimacy for its determined resistance and its well-organized, non-corrupt social services. It helped rebuild the crumbled infrastructure of roads, electricity and potable water.
All of this earned Hezbollah the hatred of the old corrupt ruling families in Lebanon and of U.S. corporate interests, which are tied to the old ruling class. Hezbollah was added to the U.S. State Department’s list of international terrorist groups in October 1997.
This hardly hurt Hezbollah’s popular image. Now Hezbollah holds 12 parliamentary seats. Its civilian branch runs schools, orphanages, hospitals and a television station. And its relentless guerrilla attacks on the Israeli army of occupation, combined with growing anti-war sentiment within Israel, forced a military retreat from Lebanon in June 2000.
In the six years since the Israeli withdrawal, Hezbollah has used its time well to prepare for the next Israeli offensive. It built deep underground bunkers, networks of tunnels and a series of camouflaged defense positions. In the hilly terrain Hezbollah built shelters for weapons and ammunition, food supplies and medical stations. Anti-tank mines and missiles line the border region to block Israeli tanks from rolling in, as they have in the past. Each Israeli thrust across the border in the past two weeks, even after heavy bombardment, has resulted in Hezbollah ambushes from behind Israeli lines.
Lebanon’s infrastructure has been so destroyed by the latest Israeli onslaught that Hezbollah’s highly effective social service network of schools, hospitals and clinics is bound to expand and take on added significance.
Hezbollah General Secretary Hasan Nasrallah warned the Israeli people on July 14: “Those times when Israel used to get away with whatever destruction, killing children and freedom of movement on Arab lands, have come to an end. I promise you those times have passed; therefore you must bear the responsibility for what your government has done and has undertaken.”
Militarism and the Israeli lobby
U.S. backing and support for Israel is often blamed on the strength and influence of the Israeli lobby, including the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in Washington, D.C. But the Israeli lobby is effective not because of its great connections and resources, but because they serve U.S. corporate interests in the entire region.
Oil corporations and the military contractors have a huge financial stake in controlling the resources of the Middle East and in the policy of endless war and instability. The Israeli Army plays a pivotal role in U.S. corporate control of the region.
Northrop Grumman spends seven times and Lockheed Martin four times as much as AIPAC on lobbying for Israel. General Electric, Raytheon, Boeing and other military contractors also outspend AIPAC. Their corporate profits are bound up in the more than $2 billion in weapons given to Israel every year.
These corporations are as enthusiastic about rushing the latest satellite- and laser-guided bunker buster bombs to Israel, to be used aboard U.S.-supplied F-15 aircraft to blast Lebanon, as they are about supplying the U.S. military occupation of Iraq.
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: downforpot]
#5901621 - 07/26/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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downforpot said:
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alpharedecho said:
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lonestar2004 said:
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Gijith said: lonestar,
I don't remember you mentioning Israel, or any of the liberal/nazi stuff until this year. Did you read a book or something? What's convinced you that Israel is such an important ally?
My grandfather was Russian. His entire family was killed along with most of the adults in his village. Why? Because it was a Jewish Village.
So maybe its a little personal.
I don't understand. When did this happen, and under which leader? Millions and millions of Russians were killed under communism, most were Christians. I am confused.
He said Jewish.....
My grandma also told me shit about the Nazis comming to her village and just digging mass graves and executing people around them and then when they were out of ammo they would just push them into the graves and burry them alive. Then the local villagers would run with shuvles when the German troops left and started digging to get the live ones out. So yea... a lot of Jews were killed that way. That is what happened in Kosovo. They basically just gathered people around these mass graves and yea....
Oh and did I mention my grandpa died in Berlin? He better have raped some german bitches for revenge before he died though, shiet. LOL
ohhhh this was during the holocaust.....I thought since he said Russian, it had something to do with Stalin murdering all those people. Sorry, I wasn't thinking.
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5901622 - 07/26/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have no proof.
Just what my grandfather told me.
He left Russia as a orphaned boy to Brooklyn N.Y. He brought my mother up Catholic out of fear that this could happen again. Then they all moved down to Miami where i still have family members living. My mom brought me up atheist but my Aunt is a Practicing Jew in Miami.
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: lonestar2004]
#5901639 - 07/26/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: I have no proof.
Just what my grandfather told me.
He left Russia as a orphaned boy to Brooklyn N.Y. He brought my mother up Catholic out of fear that this could happen again. Then they all moved down to Miami where i still have family members living. My mom brought me up atheist but my Aunt is a Practicing Jew in Miami.
Oh I believe you, I was just wondering if this happened under the Nazi's or or Stalin. Since most of Russia stayed in control of Stalin during the war. And Stalin murdered millions and millions, but I guess he didn't do it because the people were any particular race/religion.
I think I understand, the invading Nazis came across this Jewish village. I was just confused there for a minute.
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5901669 - 07/26/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"had something to do with Stalin murdering all those people"
My grandfather did say a Civil War was happening. (Communism)
But he said it was like a "Exterminate the Jew Village Weekend Party"
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: lonestar2004]
#5901681 - 07/26/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"I think I understand, the invading Nazis came across this Jewish village. "
No.
It was his fellow Russian countryman who killed his family because they were Jewish.
I guess back then even Russians hated Jews...
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: lonestar2004]
#5901721 - 07/26/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: "I think I understand, the invading Nazis came across this Jewish village. "
No.
It was his fellow Russian countryman who killed his family because they were Jewish.
I guess back then even Russians hated Jews...
They still are man. Russia has so many fucking nazi skinheads now. That's why my parents got me the fuck out of there. Oh and not to mention the Mafia and the Chechen War.
Just check BBC. There are nazi attacks, rapes, murders every week. Anyone that is Jewish, Muslim, Black, Asian is targeted.
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: lonestar2004]
#5901846 - 07/26/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: "I think I understand, the invading Nazis came across this Jewish village. "
No.
It was his fellow Russian countryman who killed his family because they were Jewish.
I guess back then even Russians hated Jews...
Why do so many people hate Jews? Is it their arrogant religion? There has to be more to it. I am being serious here, I don't know why people hate(d) them so much, enough to slaughter them for being Jews.
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5901943 - 07/26/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its not so much that people hate Jews, as much as it is the fact that Jews are different. In a Historical context, which has absolutely nothing to do with the current conflict, the Jews were an outsider class everywhere they went. In Western Europe in the Middle Ages, for example, the Jews were tolerated in many kingdoms (England, France, etc) at different points in history for the tax-base that they represented. However, in times of strife (Disease, Famine, etc) they represented a convienent scape-goat for those in power. They could point at the Jews as the source of a misery and the reason for the woes of the realm, whatever they may be.
This was the situation in many places until WW2. The Jews were a tolerated subsect of the major population, but in times of strife were often ill-used by the powers that be. In Russia, Jews were tolerated when things went well, but the mass slaughters of jews (Pogroms) were a common sight in Tsarist as well as Communist Russia. And of course, Hitlers use of the Jews as the cause for all of Germany's problems in the world has been well documented.
One thing that Conserva-Facists will not tell you is that probably the safest place for Jews for most of their history has been the MIDDLE EAST. Only in the Middle Eastern caliphates, and in the countries comprising the region later, were Jews really free to practice their religion. There were various special things they had do, such as registration, or an extra tax, but this was no different from any other immigrants. It was not until the takeover of the Holy Land by Israel and the excesses that followed that Jews became a race marked for extermination by many Arabs and Persians.
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Re: True friends of Israel cannot let the Dems take power [Re: lonestar2004]
#5901950 - 07/26/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anti-Semitism comes disguised as morality and a commitment to peace.
What a joke Complete an utter bullshit. Did nazi anti-semitism show a commitment to peace when they took over all of europe? The very group of people who defined anti-semitism were all about conquest, not a commitment to peace in any sense of the word.
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