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OfflineBasilides
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Peace in the Middle East
    #5899473 - 07/25/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In your own words, what is the ideal method for peace in the Mideast? Not just the Israeli-Lebanon conflict, but the Palestinian situation as well. What will it take for these two peoples to live side by side peacefully?


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5899495 - 07/25/06 08:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Oxy-moron.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5899582 - 07/25/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

A hippy-style revolution where all the arabs have realisations of world peace while tripping on shrooms and acid and start protecting mother earth smoking pot with colorful turbons on.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5899610 - 07/25/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

NATO ask the Serbs.....


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5900737 - 07/26/06 12:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The death of the human race.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5901064 - 07/26/06 04:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Considering that humans have been fighting in the middle east ever since humans moved into the middle east, I (unfortunately) suspect that "The death of the human race." is the correct answer.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5901449 - 07/26/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The death of the human race.




Bingo!


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5901613 - 07/26/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There has never been peace in the Middle East. There have been wars there even before there was Israel.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5901957 - 07/26/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well, maybe if all the major religions were dissolved there might be peace in the desert, but we are all likely do die off before that happens.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5901963 - 07/26/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I dont think you can have peace now. There has been too much blood spilled...

Israel leaving the land they stole would be a good start though...


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5901973 - 07/26/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Would be an excellent start.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5901994 - 07/26/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I imagine it would have to look something like this:



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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Silversoul]
    #5902039 - 07/26/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

On a serious note, though, there are a few possible but improbable scenarios that I could see resulting in peace in the middle east:

1. The destruction of Israel. Not saying I would support this, but let's face it: Israel is at the heart of much of the anger towards the west in that region.

2. A one-state solution in Israel. Obviously the two-state solution is not going to satisfy those who want Israel destroyed, but if Israel incorporated the occupied territories into its borders and made all Palestinians Israeli citizens, it would resolve much of the conflict between the two. Of course, it would also make Palestinians the majority, thus changing Israel from a Jewish state to a Muslim state with a large Jewish population, which is why it's highly unlikely.

3. The rise of a unified middle eastern empire. This is what the region was like before WWI, when the Ottoman empire ruled much of the middle east. However, I very much doubt that the US would allow the rise of any empire other than its own.

4. See above map.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5902283 - 07/26/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Everyone getting off their high horses, admitting no one is better than the other, forgiving all those that have contributed to the millenia of death and destruction, and for religious tolerance to abound (or the religions to dwindle away)


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: demiu5]
    #5902296 - 07/26/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Everyone getting off their high horses, admitting no one is better than the other, forgiving all those that have contributed to the millenia of death and destruction, and for religious tolerance to abound (or the religions to dwindle away)




Now there's a utopian after my own heart


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5906376 - 07/27/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I cannot foresee peace arising in the Middle East in the near future. If Israel and its citizens were to evaporate it would make things a little more peaceful, but I surmise that there would still be instability.

I don't much care about the stability of, or peace in, the Middle East. I contend that America should withdraw all troops, aid, and attention from that shithole. Let the savages kill each other.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5906513 - 07/27/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I cannot foresee peace arising in the Middle East in the near future. If Israel and its citizens were to evaporate it would make things a little more peaceful, but I surmise that there would still be instability.

I don't much care about the stability of, or peace in, the Middle East. I contend that America should withdraw all troops, aid, and attention from that shithole. Let the savages kill each other.




Israel is a sister nation of USA. Jews have roots to the original 13 colonies. America and Israel will always be allies. Israel is America's only friend in the Middle East, the rest of them hate America and the West because they got their asses kicked by the west.

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I dont think you can have peace now. There has been too much blood spilled...

Israel leaving the land they stole would be a good start though...




Which land did they steal? The the land during the 1967 war? Even though they gave back Gaza and parts of West Bank and the attacks still continued.

That doesn't even matter anymore because Hamas and Iran want all Jews dead. It doesn't matter if the rest of the West Bank is given back because they will still want all the Jews dead and the Middle East be 100% MUSLIM. They DON'T WANT NON MUSLIMS THERE!!!! = FACT


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5906858 - 07/27/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Israel is a sister nation of USA.



Israel was established as a secular nation based on individual rights and a weak central government with clearly delimited powers and a bill of rights, with it's philosophical roots in the Enlightenment? I don't think so.

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Jews have roots to the original 13 colonies.



Some Jews do, as do various other people from various backgrounds. However, Jews as a religious group, as a tribe, do not.

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America and Israel will always be allies.



Why should this be? Israel's problems should not be the U.S.'s problems. Israel's enemies should not be the U.S.'s enemies. No entangling or permanent alliances would serve the U.S. much better than the current state of affairs.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5906874 - 07/27/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Israel is America's only friend in the Middle East

LOL! Think again. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Yemen, Oman come to mind.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5907171 - 07/27/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Israel is America's only friend in the Middle East

LOL! Think again. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Yemen, Oman come to mind.




Why would you ever mention those countries? They ain't shit. They are full of people that hate USA and Israel, don't ever say they are friends of USA.

I know for a fucking fact that you have enough brains in your skull to know that those countries aren't our friends. Don't compare Israel to them. Israelis and Americans have a lot more fucking ties than fucking Saudi Arabia where they hang people for bullshit. I know you know that, why the fuck are you mentioning them?

Would you go on vacation to Israel or Saudi Arabia? Oh let me guess you're gonna say you won't go there because Hezbollah is shooting rockets there, LOL. Well what if that stopped. Would you rather go to a country where everyone loves you or a country where you might be kidnapped and have your head cut off? Let me guess, you'll pick the later.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5907436 - 07/27/06 11:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Nasty man calm down


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5907497 - 07/28/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If the U.S. President shakes their hand, they're a friend


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5907542 - 07/28/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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If the U.S. President shakes their hand, they're a friend




No, they aren't a fucking friend, they are a fucking puppet who will thrown out after it serves its purpose.

Don't compare our ties to Israel with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and the rest of those countries.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5907632 - 07/28/06 12:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If they have lunch with the President, they're a friend. We live in a world of friends in enemies, didn't you know? Btw, alot of people take vacations to Egypt, Bahrain, UAE etc.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5907676 - 07/28/06 01:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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If they have lunch with the President, they're a friend. We live in a world of friends in enemies, didn't you know? Btw, alot of people take vacations to Egypt, Bahrain, UAE etc.


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Yea, a lot of people also took a vacation in Egypt and ended up getting shot to bits by fundamentalists.

If they have lunch with the pres they are a friend? Uhhh, no. Rumsfeld prolly had lunch with Saddam during the time we were friends but hey, he was just a puppet.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5907726 - 07/28/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The only way there will ever be peace in the middle east is if Islam is completely eradicated. Jews were very reclusive before Islam showed up.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5907835 - 07/28/06 02:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yea? And the Egyptian government probably arrested a bunch of those murderous fucks and tortured them. Government and its people - two different things.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #5907837 - 07/28/06 02:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Read a damn history book, during the rough old days in Europe Muslim empires were practically the only refuge for Jews.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5907960 - 07/28/06 04:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yea? And the Egyptian government probably arrested a bunch of those murderous fucks and tortured them. Government and its people - two different things.




In Israel it is not just the government that looks at America as a friend.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5907963 - 07/28/06 04:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yep, the problem started when the Jew took the Jew land from the Muslim.

Maybe we can give The jews Texas, or something?


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: mack_tasticlies]
    #5907981 - 07/28/06 04:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

it is all that got damned opium over there, they never really feel the burning sensation when bullets and shrapnel tear through your cells in a barrage of fiery fury and angst.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5908000 - 07/28/06 04:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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Yea? And the Egyptian government probably arrested a bunch of those murderous fucks and tortured them. Government and its people - two different things.




In Israel it is not just the government that looks at America as a friend.





Please explain, downforpot, how a government like Bahrain, Qatar or Jordan are "American puppets". And please explain how other friendly nations like the Netherlands, or Japan, or Australia are not American puppets. By your logic, any diplomatic ally of the United States who has a significant population that expresses anti-Americanism is somehow an "American puppet", whatever the hell that is. That's awful lot of puppets. Hundreds of them. :rolleyes:


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #5908963 - 07/28/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The only way there will ever be peace in the middle east is if Islam is completely eradicated. Jews were very reclusive before Islam showed up.




Islam and all the arabs could be dead and the US would still have a terrible enemy we have to deal with. A govt as large as the US cannot continue to exist in a democratic environment without an enemy to point fingers at. Once there is no enemy the people start looking towards the govt and re-examining their usefulness.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5909314 - 07/28/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

downforpot said:
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Basilides said:
Yea? And the Egyptian government probably arrested a bunch of those murderous fucks and tortured them. Government and its people - two different things.




In Israel it is not just the government that looks at America as a friend.





Please explain, downforpot, how a government like Bahrain, Qatar or Jordan are "American puppets". And please explain how other friendly nations like the Netherlands, or Japan, or Australia are not American puppets. By your logic, any diplomatic ally of the United States who has a significant population that expresses anti-Americanism is somehow an "American puppet", whatever the hell that is. That's awful lot of puppets. Hundreds of them. :rolleyes:




That's how it always has been. We have supported plenty of governments whos own people hated our guts. Therefore they are just our puppets. Their people could care less about the USA. As for Israel, they fucking love us and we fucking love them back.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5909547 - 07/28/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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WhiteRabbitt said:
The only way there will ever be peace in the middle east is if Islam is completely eradicated. Jews were very reclusive before Islam showed up.




Islam and all the arabs could be dead and the US would still have a terrible enemy we have to deal with. A govt as large as the US cannot continue to exist in a democratic environment without an enemy to point fingers at. Once there is no enemy the people start looking towards the govt and re-examining their usefulness.




This is actually fairly astute in a rather incoherent way. All success generates envy. Never fails. It is human nature.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5909554 - 07/28/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> Their people could care less about the USA.

I don't understand? If their people could care less, then that implies that their people currently care. You cannot care less than no care at all. Your are contradicting yourself here.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Seuss]
    #5909565 - 07/28/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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> Their people could care less about the USA.

I don't understand? If their people could care less, then that implies that their people currently care. You cannot care less than no care at all. Your are contradicting yourself here.



They don't have that expression where you live? I realize it's a stupid and self-contradictory expression, but it's commonly used.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Silversoul]
    #5909593 - 07/28/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> Their people could care less about the USA.

I don't understand? If their people could care less, then that implies that their people currently care. You cannot care less than no care at all. Your are contradicting yourself here.



They don't have that expression where you live? I realize it's a stupid and self-contradictory expression, but it's commonly used.




Yea, I was like what? HUH?


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5911016 - 07/29/06 02:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

And in what twisted, imaginary, alternate dimension are you the king of coherent expression? Thanks but keep your compliments to yourself if you can't refrain from tossing in an insult.


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    #5911208 - 07/29/06 05:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yea? And the Egyptian government probably arrested a bunch of those murderous fucks and tortured them. Government and its people - two different things.




In Israel it is not just the government that looks at America as a friend.





Please explain, downforpot, how a government like Bahrain, Qatar or Jordan are "American puppets". And please explain how other friendly nations like the Netherlands, or Japan, or Australia are not American puppets. By your logic, any diplomatic ally of the United States who has a significant population that expresses anti-Americanism is somehow an "American puppet", whatever the hell that is. That's awful lot of puppets. Hundreds of them. :rolleyes:




That's how it always has been. We have supported plenty of governments whos own people hated our guts. Therefore they are just our puppets. Their people could care less about the USA. As for Israel, they fucking love us and we fucking love them back.




Most Britons, French, Germans (and Europeans in general) hold negative sentiment towards the United States. Are these puppet governments too?


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    #5912177 - 07/29/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yea? And the Egyptian government probably arrested a bunch of those murderous fucks and tortured them. Government and its people - two different things.




In Israel it is not just the government that looks at America as a friend.





Please explain, downforpot, how a government like Bahrain, Qatar or Jordan are "American puppets". And please explain how other friendly nations like the Netherlands, or Japan, or Australia are not American puppets. By your logic, any diplomatic ally of the United States who has a significant population that expresses anti-Americanism is somehow an "American puppet", whatever the hell that is. That's awful lot of puppets. Hundreds of them. :rolleyes:




That's how it always has been. We have supported plenty of governments whos own people hated our guts. Therefore they are just our puppets. Their people could care less about the USA. As for Israel, they fucking love us and we fucking love them back.




Most Britons, French, Germans (and Europeans in general) hold negative sentiment towards the United States. Are these puppet governments too?




I doubt that. My friends have been to Europe and I've met plenty of Britons and Frenchies in the USA and they don't give a fuck. They went to Spain, Paris, Amsterdam, Italy.... no1. NO1 gave them shit about being Americans. Maybe they do but they don't talk about it. In the Muslim countries you will get your ass killed or kidnapped and decapitated.

And again, I know you fucking know this: When one Muslim is attacked the rest of them will follow. They will do anything to the enemy and and kill them. Fortunetly only a small percentage of Muslims actually carry out these acts. But lets say 1%.... out of over 1 billion Muslims.... heh, that's a lot of people hating you.


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    #5912770 - 07/29/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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> Their people could care less about the USA.

I don't understand? If their people could care less, then that implies that their people currently care. You cannot care less than no care at all. Your are contradicting yourself here.



They don't have that expression where you live? I realize it's a stupid and self-contradictory expression, but it's commonly used.




"Could care less" isn't a common expression, it's a common mistake. It's a corruption of "couldn't care less" - a common expression.


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    #5912782 - 07/29/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Unfortunately the mistake has supplanted the correct form (and the one I grew up with) in the lexicon of common usage.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5912796 - 07/29/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In the Muslim countries you will get your ass killed or kidnapped and decapitated.

Complete utter bullshit. Do you know how many expats are currently in Muslim countries? Do you even know how many Muslim countries there are in the world? I want some links to these so called kidnappings and beheadings of Westerners that are apparently plentiful in the "Muslim world". And I don't don't want to see Paul Johnson and Daniel Pearl as your precious examples.


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    #5913259 - 07/29/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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In the Muslim countries you will get your ass killed or kidnapped and decapitated.

Complete utter bullshit. Do you know how many expats are currently in Muslim countries? Do you even know how many Muslim countries there are in the world? I want some links to these so called kidnappings and beheadings of Westerners that are apparently plentiful in the "Muslim world". And I don't don't want to see Paul Johnson and Daniel Pearl as your precious examples.




Those two precious examples are it. Find me an article about an American tourist getting kidnapped by Israeli forces and then tortured.

You forget the massacre in Egypt? Point is that a lot of muslims and arabs hate us. Jews love us. End of story. Israel is an ally we can always depend on for whatever, as for the others... they're disposable. They're just as disposable as Saddam and Osama even though Osama is still breathing.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5913382 - 07/29/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not denying that there's alot of animosity towards America in the Muslim world (gee, I wonder why?). I'm just stating that this doesn't make Muslim governments "puppets". Muslim governments, like all countries, are interested in the rule of law, hence why police officers in Muslim countries literally give their lives at times fighting fundamentalist fuckwits - fundamentalist fuckwits who justify killing their own countrymen along the "puppetry" line. They are not fucking puppets anymore than Iraqi police dying for their country are "puppets".


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    #5913528 - 07/29/06 11:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not denying that there's alot of animosity towards America in the Muslim world (gee, I wonder why?). I'm just stating that this doesn't make Muslim governments "puppets". Muslim governments, like all countries, are interested in the rule of law, hence why police officers in Muslim countries literally give their lives at times fighting fundamentalist fuckwits - fundamentalist fuckwits who justify killing their own countrymen along the "puppetry" line. They are not fucking puppets anymore than Iraqi police dying for their country are "puppets".




The Iraqi police are killing eachother, they are killing other Iraqis in a sectarian wave of violence. And that shit about people dressing in police and army uniforms and then killing people is BULLSHIT, they are the police. So basically it is all fucked for Iraq. That country needs to be split up.

Fuck Iraq, fuck that country, and fuck those people. They have been slaughtering eachother since Muhammad croaked so I say take sides with some Muslim countries, make em puppets, let the cycle continue to our advantage.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5913625 - 07/30/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Tell that to the Iraqi police men women, and soldiers who are risking their lives engaging in combat with both terrorist Sunnis and Shi'ites. Puppets? Bull-fucking-shit. These are Iraqi family men who are fucking dying so that Iraqi families and their kids don't get blown up by criminal scum.



See that? Do you see it? That's someone who loves their country and serves the rule of law - and are willing to risk life and limb serving and protecting the innocent.

These are the true shaheeds of Iraq, the true martyrs of Islam.

How dare you call them "puppets".


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: Basilides]
    #5914598 - 07/30/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i think they will learn to respect one another if jews started cutting their enemies heads off with a fishing knife on webcam,
i mean i've never seen them do that before,
i think muslims would respect that


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    #5915257 - 07/30/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Tell that to the Iraqi police men women, and soldiers who are risking their lives engaging in combat with both terrorist Sunnis and Shi'ites. Puppets? Bull-fucking-shit. These are Iraqi family men who are fucking dying so that Iraqi families and their kids don't get blown up by criminal scum.



See that? Do you see it? That's someone who loves their country and serves the rule of law - and are willing to risk life and limb serving and protecting the innocent.

These are the true shaheeds of Iraq, the true martyrs of Islam.

How dare you call them "puppets".




Considering that they are killing eachother at the rate of 100 a day... country is a shithole at the moment. That country needs a tyrant.

Saddam controlled 25 million of uncontrollable people.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5915268 - 07/30/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

25 million? There aren't even 100,000 insurgents. Pretty much a bunch of sectarian death squads are tearing the place apart.


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    #5915500 - 07/30/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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25 million? There aren't even 100,000 insurgents. Pretty much a bunch of sectarian death squads are tearing the place apart.




And the death squads are supported by the local population. It's not like they are foreign fighters. The death squads are made up of Iraqis from Sunni and Shia and as more die, more Iraqis take their place in the militias. So there are 25 million people which are currently at eachother's throats.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5915543 - 07/30/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

And the death squads are supported by the local population.

Link, please.

It's not like they are foreign fighters.

Link, please.

The death squads are made up of Iraqis from Sunni and Shia and as more die, more Iraqis take their place in the militias. So there are 25 million people which are currently at eachother's throats.

Again, provide some evidence for half the shit you're claiming here. There aren't even 100,000 insurgents so your claim that "25 million people are at eachother's throats" is complete bullshit.


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    #5915613 - 07/30/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarian_violence_in_Iraq

Look through that and all the articles that were cited.

You and I know both fucking know that the foreign fighers don't play much of a role now because it has become a small scale civil war. And I know you fucking know what civil war means. All that Al Qaedo did is attack the Shia with a small number of individuals to piss off the Shia and get them to attack the Sunnis and now it is pretty much on auto-pilot.

Honestly man, all the shit you want links for is pretty much common sense. Just read the Wiki article.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5915731 - 07/30/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm still waiting for evidence that 25 million Iraqis are "at each others throats". I didn't mention foreign fighters, you did. There is a civil war in Iraq between several thousand Sunni and Shi'ite radicals. What is bullshit is your 25 million claim. Why can't you just admit it was hot wind?


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    #5915763 - 07/30/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm still waiting for evidence that 25 million Iraqis are "at each others throats". I didn't mention foreign fighters, you did. There is a civil war in Iraq between several thousand Sunni and Shi'ite radicals. What is bullshit is your 25 million claim. Why can't you just admit it was hot wind?




WTF are you talking about? You honestly think 25 million will fight all at once?!?!?!?! Did the entire population of US fight all at once during the Civil War? That's fucking impossible man. But the entire population of the US was at war. Each side provided thousands of troops to fight the war. That is what's going on in Iraq right now. The Shias and the Sunnis are basically slaughtering eachother.


Also, wtf did you mean when I said "It's not like they are foreign fighters." and then you asked me for a fucking link? I said it's not the foreign fighters. I might have mentioned them but I specifically said that they are not the ones going around in army and police uniforms and setting up checkpoints and executing everyone.

You have basically lost the arguement and have resorted ot symantic bullshit. It is a small scale civil war in Iraq, END OF FUCKING STORY.


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Re: Peace in the Middle East [Re: downforpot]
    #5915768 - 07/30/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hot wind it is, then.


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    #5917225 - 07/31/06 12:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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And the death squads are supported by the local population.

Link, please.

It's not like they are foreign fighters.

Link, please.

The death squads are made up of Iraqis from Sunni and Shia and as more die, more Iraqis take their place in the militias. So there are 25 million people which are currently at eachother's throats.

Again, provide some evidence for half the shit you're claiming here. There aren't even 100,000 insurgents so your claim that "25 million people are at eachother's throats" is complete bullshit.




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    #5917251 - 07/31/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I would at least expect to see some evidence coming from the unmitigated light of truth


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