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beenlightened2
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everything IS nothing....
#5899440 - 07/25/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i myself have come to a simplified conclusion that because i believe everything is in fact "oneness", a whole, connected either directly or indirectly.....that i also must accept the fact that it must be nothingness as well...if one cannot differentiate one thing from the next...on any level..any..then no matter what the variable is whether time, energy, mass, matter, the mere fact to admit to an infinite anything...one must also admit to its infinite nothingness....this is actually my very first post in the shroomery...never discussed this topic with anyone who would take me seriously
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leery11
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MushmanTheManic
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Welcome to the Shroomery! 
If everything is nothing, wouldn't that imply no thing exists at all?
If you changed "nothingness" to "emptiness", as in the Hindu(?) concept of Sunyata, I would agree wholeheartedly. The barrier between 'this thing' and 'that thing' seems illusory. As I see it, atoms influence each-other in such a way as to form a vast interconnected flow of causality. I disagree with statements such as "all things are one", but I do suspect all things are part of one all encompassing system or process.
Different forms, categories, objects, etc arise in our mind's effort to understand and navigate reality. It would seem like an awfully hard challenge to understand everything without breaking it down into smaller pieces.
Edited by MushmanTheManic (07/26/06 12:18 AM)
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Fractalated
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if one cannot differentiate one thing from the next...on any level..any
I'm me and you're you. I just differentiated one thing from the next.
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MarkostheGnostic
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Welcome to The Shroomery. I'm from north Jersey. Born in Newark, raised in Livingston (way before it got trendy).
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fireworks_god
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Quote:
MushmanTheManic said: Different forms, categories, objects, etc arise in our minds effort to understand and navigate reality.
Great post, and it is interesting to see you express "to understand and navigate reality" as you did... Who is it around here that always speaks about navigating reality? 
That's my way of saying "You stole my line, bitch!". 
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it stars saddam
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Quote:
MushmanTheManic said: As I see it, atoms influence each-other in such a way as to form a vast interconnected flow of causality. I disagree with statements such as "all things are one", but I do suspect all things are part of one all encompassing system or process.
You're probably right.
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capliberty
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true, everything is nothing, because everything means nothing other than what its refered to by definition, change its definition and it means something else, but is it truly anything at all other than what our perception uses to sees it to be, and sense our perception is encoded by definition than all things are realitive to that perception based on that definiton,
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MushmanTheManic
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 It was in my mind when I got there. I swear! I didn't take it, it must've been someone else trying to frame me!
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ShroomFan
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What differentiates my hand from a table...in essence they are the same thing, everything is comprised of the same thing at the simplest level..then we start seeing differences
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RRRR
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If I am you, and you are me, would you then not object to sending me a check due to the amount of $1,000?
After all, we are one, right?
-------------------- Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)
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it stars saddam
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Re: everything IS nothing.... [Re: RRRR]
#5900664 - 07/26/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
RRRR said: If I am you, and you are me, would you then not object to sending me a check due to the amount of $1,000?
After all, we are one, right?
What a Swami-esque response.
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RRRR
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It just often seems there is realization without actualization. And realization without actualization has a relation with no foundation which leads to frustration. I was merely offering vocation of the sensation of salvation: the application of explanation without hesitation via conversation.
-------------------- Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)
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Fractalated
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Re: everything IS nothing.... [Re: RRRR]
#5901428 - 07/26/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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AHHH, so many tions, so little time!
-------------------- "Now that the principalities and the powers stockpile weapons of mass destruction, contaminate the earth with their feverish industry, release floods of images to trigger insatiable desires, treat animals and humans as commodities and functions of a market, the devil must be grinning from ear to ear."
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redgreenvines
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Re: everything IS nothing.... [Re: Fractalated]
#5901607 - 07/26/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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differentiation is part of what we are together in. as if fingers went pressing into a multidimensional membrane and we were the various finger puppets of that common membrane, different here in 3-d and separated here in 3-d at the moment, yet we are all from a single common and inseparable universal history; and we are all in a common and inseparable global now, and are yet to be in a common & inseparable future.
yet like the vacuoles in a cell we are each uniquly collecting and sifting through the myriad combinations of experience from our unique points of view.
sometimes it might be cute to be unified more extensively, and for this (being cute) you can enjoy a mushroom or lsd or salvia thereby regaining traction on the slipperiest of issues.
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Fractalated
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Interesting analogy. But I think that line of thinking lends itself to the idea that the fingers exist independently of the multidimensional membrane.
-------------------- "Now that the principalities and the powers stockpile weapons of mass destruction, contaminate the earth with their feverish industry, release floods of images to trigger insatiable desires, treat animals and humans as commodities and functions of a market, the devil must be grinning from ear to ear."
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redgreenvines
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Re: everything IS nothing.... [Re: Fractalated]
#5902242 - 07/26/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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they have a male and female aspect don't they ecstatic union might be surmized as well. insert and wiggle do the hokey pokey and all that.
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Fractalated
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Yes, everything has a polar opposite. I fail to see the relevence of that however. Are you, in fact, suggesting that the fingers (consciousness or what have you) have an independent existence?
-------------------- "Now that the principalities and the powers stockpile weapons of mass destruction, contaminate the earth with their feverish industry, release floods of images to trigger insatiable desires, treat animals and humans as commodities and functions of a market, the devil must be grinning from ear to ear."
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michael_lifshitz
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Re: everything IS nothing.... [Re: Fractalated]
#5904403 - 07/27/06 04:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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redgreenvines, I would like to ask how you came to these conclusions that you have made, in this thread. Specifically a proof for the idea that we are all connected by some other dimension.
I understand what you are saying, and agree with you, based on my limited knowledge of the issue, but I would certainly like to hear how you came to these conclusions, for the benefit of myself, yourself, and others. For the benefit of our oh so important desire to learn.
Edited by michael_lifshitz (07/27/06 04:48 AM)
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Gomp
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Everything, also contain nothing.. But, ... nothing do not contain everything! Thus it creates..
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