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Re: im prettty sure that this reality... isnt real [Re: capliberty]
    #5900642 - 07/26/06 12:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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See reality as it is, as it presents itself, and don't make it anymore than what it is,



What if I've been presented with different levels of reality than you have?


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Re: im prettty sure that this reality... isnt real [Re: Silversoul]
    #5900663 - 07/26/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I covered that with the 3rd line of my post


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Re: im prettty sure that this reality... isnt real [Re: capliberty]
    #5900815 - 07/26/06 01:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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don't add anymore to it then what you truly understand of it from your own personal experience, because if you do try to add more, but yet you don't understand it fully then your feeding delusion to that reality






Accusing someone as having delusional thoughts is ignorant to the fact reality is truly weirder and more complex than we CAN understand.  We have a common understanding through science, art, language etc. But one's own imagination and thoughts go beyond this mundane system of information, the mind is free, let it ponder! As far as I'm concerned the mind is a cosmic radio that is the finest "form" of reality itself. Its thoughts, images, feelings etc are as REAL as anything else you receive from your 5 sences. Why wouldn't they be any less real??

"Reality is an illusion, but a very persistent one" - Einstein :smile:


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Re: im prettty sure that this reality... isnt real [Re: Amethyst]
    #5900856 - 07/26/06 01:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

your to do as you choose, but isn't their ignorance, isn't their bad decisions made, isn't their dillusional illnesses, don't some people develope insecurities that are unrealistic, doesn't certain peoples beliefs reflect those around us, and this might not be necessarily postive, can our minds be cluttered, why add the clutter, keep the clarity, keep your ideas, but dismiss the clutter, to give space to see and navigate


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Re: im prettty sure that this reality... isnt real [Re: capliberty]
    #5900907 - 07/26/06 02:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't like using the word "delusional" as it implies judging ones mind from a biased and shallow perspective. Which causes ones rational mind to suddenly debunk theses thoughts as being meaningless and "bad". I'd say these thoughts are only bad if one can't handle them, the challenge is integrating them INTO reality, instead of separating due to the biased labeling.. For there to be any truth in our grand picture of reality we must paint it using ALL the colors!

Instead of letting reality mold your mind from its own very finite and shallow experiences, let your mind mold reality with its vast mystical imagination and infinite potential than goes beyond the space/time continuum as "WE" know it.


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Re: im prettty sure that this reality... isnt real [Re: Amethyst]
    #5900934 - 07/26/06 02:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

-maybe you can't handle them, because their handling you

-be cautious to imply biased labels, I agree with you there, to suggest something or quickly diagnose something could lead to even worse circumstance,

-but I was suggesting from ones own personal experience to be cautious in the picture that your making for yourself, include color yes, but also focus the lens


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Re: im prettty sure that this reality... isnt real [Re: ZippoZ]
    #5901248 - 07/26/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Psychedelic experiences so often bring the user to this conclusion, don't they? I had a fantastic trip a couple days ago and mused on all this stuff too. I was in Amsterdam, and didn't go into the trip expecting to be too philosophical--I wanted to bike around the city, toss the bee, and look at art. But instead me and my trip partner lay in a field and talked about how none of this is real.

The orthodox neuroscientific standpoint says that there is no such thing as the "self," that out feeling of "isness" is a construct of our brain that organizes memory and the sensorium into a coherent, linear signal, and "the will to live" comes from that. So if the "self" is an illusion, what is real? The information coming in through the five senses? Another construct. Sound? Color? Its all information encoded in a completely arbitrary way into what we experience them as. Time is no more real--also an animal brain construct. On that trip I got a strong feeling that everything that will happen has already happened. There is nothing to worry about, because what's going to happen has already happened, and will always happen, and DOES always happen!

How can the self be real, if you can take mushrooms and leave it completely behind. On mushrooms, I am not "Noviseer." I can remember having felt like I was "Noviseer" but during the trip, I know I am not a "self," but many many "selves," none of them "real."


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Re: im prettty sure that this reality... isnt real [Re: Noviseer]
    #5901444 - 07/26/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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There is nothing to worry about, because what's going to happen has already happened, and will always happen, and DOES always happen!




Exactly.


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Re: im prettty sure that this reality... isnt real [Re: Noviseer]
    #5902112 - 07/26/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

David Hume?


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