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Specter Sues Bush
    #5897527 - 07/25/06 09:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A powerful Republican committee chairman who has led the fight against President Bush's signing statements said Monday he would have a bill ready by the end of the week allowing Congress to sue him in federal court.

"We will submit legislation to the United States Senate which will...authorize the Congress to undertake judicial review of those signing statements with the view to having the president's acts declared unconstitutional," Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said on the Senate floor.

Specter's announcement came the same day that an American Bar Association task force concluded that by attaching conditions to legislation, the president has sidestepped his constitutional duty to either sign a bill, veto it, or take no action.

Bush has issued at least 750 signing statements during his presidency, reserving the right to revise, interpret or disregard laws on national security and constitutional grounds.


"That non-veto hamstrings Congress because Congress cannot respond to a signing statement," said ABA president Michael Greco. The practice, he added "is harming the separation of powers."

Bush has challenged about 750 statutes passed by Congress, according to numbers compiled by Specter's committee. The ABA estimated Bush has issued signing statements on more than 800 statutes, more than all other presidents combined.

Signing statements have been used by presidents, typically for such purposes as instructing agencies how to execute new laws.

But many of Bush's signing statements serve notice that he believes parts of bills he is signing are unconstitutional or might violate national security.

Still, the White House said signing statements are not intended to allow the administration to ignore the law.

"A great many of those signing statements may have little statements about questions about constitutionality," said White House spokesman Tony Snow. "It never says, 'We're not going to enact the law.'"

Specter's announcement intensifies his challenge of the administration's use of executive power on a number of policy matters. Of particular interest to him are two signing statements challenging the provisions of the USA Patriot Act renewal, which he wrote, and legislation banning the use of torture on detainees.

Bush is not without congressional allies on the matter. Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, a former judge, has said that signing statements are nothing more than expressions of presidential opinion that carry no legal weight because federal courts are unlikely to consider them when deciding cases that challenge the same laws.

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/07/24/ap2900817.html


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: Diploid]
    #5897562 - 07/25/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What a JOKE. This is nothing but grandstanding by Specter.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5897916 - 07/25/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

or it might be an attempt by repugnicans to "frag" bush and make dick cheney POTUS...


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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5897958 - 07/25/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

you know i would love that!

I am so disappointed in the Republican 2008 candidates. all polls have Rudy Juliana leading comfortably.

Hillary vs Rudy in 2008

Two fucking Yankee lawyers. that would suck...


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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5897966 - 07/25/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Vote Libertarian!

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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: Redstorm]
    #5897980 - 07/25/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Good luck.  Hope you get over a million votes this time. :smirk:


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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5899153 - 07/25/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Who else is there to vote for?

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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: Diploid]
    #5899189 - 07/25/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:crazy:


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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: Redstorm]
    #5899305 - 07/25/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
Vote Libertarian!




That's right! Throw your vote away!

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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5899323 - 07/25/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
Good luck.  Hope you get over a million votes this time. :smirk:




It's better to vote for what you believe in than cutting losses with a lesser evil.


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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: Basilides]
    #5899567 - 07/25/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Basilides said:
Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
Good luck.  Hope you get over a million votes this time. :smirk:




It's better to vote for what you believe in than cutting losses with a lesser evil.




I highly disagree. Than you are letting the greater evil have one more chance of reigning than the lesser. No one cares that you stand for what is right, what actually is going to happen is more important. Unless of course you can convince every democrat to vote ralph nader style you'd be better off just standing up for something that you can actually make a difference in.


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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5899581 - 07/25/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm of the persuasion that the Dem's and Rep's are both an equal evil.

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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: Redstorm]
    #5899600 - 07/25/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I am sorry to be melodramatic but IMO the Dem's have become Marxist.

Yes the Republicans are not much better but sometimes I see similarities between the Cold War (Dem's lost) and the War on Terror. (Dem's losing)

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.-- C. S. Lewis"


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We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5900630 - 07/26/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
I am sorry to be melodramatic but IMO the Dem's have become Marxist.



:rofl2:


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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: Redstorm]
    #5901092 - 07/26/06 05:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

> I'm of the persuasion that the Dem's and Rep's are both an equal evil.

Glad I read the entire post before stating the obvious as well. We see alike on this.


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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: Redstorm]
    #5901171 - 07/26/06 05:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
I'm of the persuasion that the Dem's and Rep's are both an equal evil.






I am getting closer to this opinion more everyday.


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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5901284 - 07/26/06 07:36 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
I am sorry to be melodramatic but IMO the Dem's have become Marxist.

Yes the Republicans are not much better but sometimes I see similarities between the Cold War (Dem's lost) and the War on Terror. (Dem's losing)

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.-- C. S. Lewis"




you've really lost it. but ok, I'll play along. how have the democratic party evolved into a revolutionary marxist organization?

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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: Vvellum]
    #5901412 - 07/26/06 09:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

bi0 said:
you've really lost it. but ok, I'll play along. how have the democratic party evolved into a revolutionary marxist organization?




Democrats are always talking about Issues like RACE, women rights, gay rights and evil Republicans. You never hear them talking about the average tax paying working man.

Great!

but this is the sick part....

The Democrats don't give a Fuck about these Issues.
For example:

Janice Rogers Brown

A Black Female! Daughter of a Sharecropper.

Everything in their agenda should lead them to say, "This is great! We care about the equality of women. Half the country is Republican. We have a Republican black woman. Now those racist Republicans will have to respect a black woman!

But they hate her guts, and say awful things about her...

Harry Reid (D-NV) the Democrats Senate LEADER! Said: "She is a woman who wants to take us back to the Civil War days"......

Why??? because thats not what their agenda is.

The issue is never the issue with the Democrats, the revolution is the issue.


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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5901487 - 07/26/06 09:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't see how that makes them Marxist.

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Re: Specter Sues Bush [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5901968 - 07/26/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Democrats are always talking about Issues like RACE, women rights, gay rights and evil Republicans. You never hear them talking about the average tax paying working man.




This is bullshit. Everytime I see a democrat on c-span they are taking about budget issues and raising the minimum wage, controlling spending ect.. They do always throw in shots at the repubs, but taking shots at the opposing political party has been going on since thomas jefferson was alive, or were they marxist too?


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